2008 Election

Who do you want in the election?

  • Obama/Biden

    Votes: 34 57.6%

  • McCain/Palin

    Votes: 19 32.2%

  • Ralph Nader FTW!

    Votes: 4 6.8%

  • IDK...Anyone but wubaya!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
Yes, T-Tar. We ARE.

-Who invaded the middle east when there was no nuclear weapons? The US
-Who BARELY helped out at all in WW1?? The US.
-Who decided to stay in the middle east when there was no nuclear weapons even though we could have pulled out, and our soldiers were dying?? the US.

We should have pulled out a long time ago. And yes, you really can't blame the Prez. The House of Reps/Senate/Prez all have EQUAL powers, if I read the Constitution right??
 
We invaded because Saddam Hussein said he had them. DUH! Okay. I am sure Bush was like, "Howdy, lets go to Iraq and see if there are bombs." He did it for a reason. Look. If it weren't for the US, there would be no world other than the 4th Reich as we would know it to be under Hitler's rule.

YOU GUYS DO NOT GET IT! IF YOUR NEIGHBOR AT HOME SAYS HE/SHE HAS BOMBS, WOULDN"T YOU CALL THE COPS OR RUN???

As it says, I am the expert politican.
 
T-Tar Master said:
Not really...school is for education, I really have no idea why you would think it is not, it is pretty obvious. Homeless shelters keep people off the streets, schools are for education.

The debt is 10 Trillion for our economic problems, but 60 Trillion is our debt to other countries like China and so on.

I do not really see the USA in debt. I know that may sound stupid, but all countries really owe debt to us:

-Who stopped Hitler from ruling the world? The US
-Who stopped WW1 and WW2? The US
-Who is trying to set up a democracy in Iraq? The US
-Who was in Vietnam like no one else? The US
-WHo made sure that Gorbachev was not a complete psychopath? The US

Many others too, they are in debt, we are not.
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I didn't mean keep them off the streets as to be that they are bums. :/ They are kids, and if they are roaming the streets, logically, bad things are bound to happen. So take away 6-7 hours from this free time, and give them homework/projects to further this. Oh, and lets just make it so businesses like the idea of a graduate as being more effiecent then a non-grad, just because they showed up to class and bsed thier way through school, only furthering the need to attend school. This is of course all in theory, but should sound resonable.

Not from what I've been told. But meh, who really cares? Yes, it's a rediculously huge number, but do you really think it's going to do anything? No. Other countries will bail are butts out, because we are so globalized *looks at china*.

-I guess, though not entirely true (those dang british sure helped. lol).
-We didn't stop it....I think vetrans will attest to this. :/ We did end both wars, but really, we didn't effective end the wars (since WWII wouldn't have happened if we had actually shut down Germany...but we're American. lol).
-Can be viewed as good and bad.
-...?
-Because we were the only other super power that could handle Russia (though I'm sure China could've, with U.S. support)

Of course they are. We are going to be fine. And if not, then bleh, just beat the crap out of them, right? lol

TCG Trader said:
Yes, T-Tar. We ARE.

-Who invaded the middle east when there was no nuclear weapons? The US
-Who BARELY helped out at all in WW1?? The US.
-Who decided to stay in the middle east when there was no nuclear weapons even though we could have pulled out, and our soldiers were dying?? the US.

We should have pulled out a long time ago. And yes, you really can't blame the Prez. The House of Reps/Senate/Prez all have EQUAL powers, if I read the Constitution right?
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-That was just an excuse to continue daddy's war and remove a problamatic dictator.
-....It pulled us out of the Depression. That alone helped the world durning and beyond WW1. :/
-True. However, this isn't really that bad of a war. Not alot of soldiers have died in this war, as compared to most of the wars fought within human history. Thats simply because of how the war is being fought and has nothing to do with how many troops we have in Iraq. We could probably keep 5000 troops in Iraq, with 50000 ready for dispatching, and still maintain order, simply because of how the war is being fought.

Incorrect, and badly. President has gained ALOT of powers that are not in the Constituion, and have made him therefore stronger then the founders imagined, although I would say that they are probably more balanced now then before.
 
T-Tar Master said:
We invaded because Saddam Hussein said he had them. DUH! Okay. I am sure Bush was like, "Howdy, lets go to Iraq and see if there are bombs." He did it for a reason. Look. If it weren't for the US, there would be no world other than the 4th Reich as we would know it to be under Hitler's rule.

YOU GUYS DO NOT GET IT! IF YOUR NEIGHBOR AT HOME SAYS HE/SHE HAS BOMBS, WOULDN"T YOU CALL THE COPS OR RUN???

As it says, I am the expert politican.
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WRONG!! We invaded Iran, because Hussein turned into a dictator. We invaded Iraq because it had Nuclear Weapons!! YOU PHAIL!!

And if my neighbor says he/she has bombs, where I live, they are joking.
 
Papi: True. But if schools are not for education, why are China's schools better and their economy so far ahead of our own?

TCGtrader: YOU phail. You just said we went to war with Iraq because of the weapons, and that is a fact. Plus, Hussein was always a dictator, he killed over 1 million people before he claimed to have weapons over there and then we went.

TO ALL: The only one supporting me with outside info is Papi/Manny. He uses his brain, as do I, for this. People who don't know what they are talking about need outside information.
 
T-Tar Master said:
Papi: True. But if schools are not for education, why are China's schools better and their economy so far ahead of our own?

TCGtrader: YOU phail. You just said we went to war with Iraq because of the weapons, and that is a fact.

TO ALL: The only one supporting me with outside info is Papi/Manny. He uses his brain, as do I, for this. People who don't know what they are talking about need outside information.
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Oh I didn't mean to make it seem like schools are not for education. Thats just silly (though public schools.....could be true). Also on China, they do have 1.3? billion people.....I think they have a few smarty pants.

Thats what college does to you: Reverts you back to your 3-4 year old days....keep asking those questions. lol
 
LOL. pretty much. Anyways, china does have the smartest people in the world because of the schools they have. Here we have 24th in the world schools (countries) and we would be lower if like 10 % of our schools were not Asain...(fact that Asian people are smarter, not steriotyping)
 
I really do not like either ones , but I would say Mc'cain.
Obama just seems like he's experinced enough and I don't think he can run our country.
Mccain's like really old , so he could pass away while in office.
 
I have a feeling Obama is going to win for some reason. People weren't ready 4 years ago to change presidents during a critical time in the war. But now, they are ready for someone new.
 
Obama is most likely going to win, going with NyJonesy. He's 9% ahead the last time I checked, and I found this on Palin. Thanks Yahoo! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081022/pl_ynews/ynews_pl106

T-Tar Master said:
TCGtrader: YOU phail. You just said we went to war with Iraq because of the weapons, and that is a fact. Plus, Hussein was always a dictator, he killed over 1 million people before he claimed to have weapons over there and then we went.
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T-Tar, you kinda concurred TCG's statement.

But, lemme ask you (I don't care who answers), how many WMDs did we find? Hmm...could this possibly be a lie? OR, did Bush go for oil? We are "trying" to help build a firm democracy in Iraq. Funny story! More civilians in Iraq are dying each day! Not to mention one of our soldiers here and there, making the war unjust! We FALSLY accused Iraq of WMDs, and, yes, there we went.
 
we FALSLY accused Iraq of WMDs-Dm1993

LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES!

Saddam said publicly that he had weapons of mass destruction and as I so joyusly pointed out, if some crazy psychopath said he had bombs, wouldn't you run, or at least challange him? Exactly. We did.
 
NyJonesy26 said:
I have a feeling Obama is going to win for some reason. People weren't ready 4 years ago to change presidents during a critical time in the war. But now, they are ready for someone new.
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....Or just the election was rigged. Which one sounds more logical....
 
NyJonesy26 said:
I think that applies a little more to the first time GW ran for office, actually.
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Eh naw, espically not when more and more states are investing in voting by computer. It's so easy to hack into them and have the dead vote.
 
Obama without a doubt. Why you say?

-Obama is a strong, and longtime supporter of Independent energy. We need to run our country on fuels like Wind, Solar and BioFuel. Unlike McCain, who wants to stay with Nuclear Energy (which Bush supported and STILL has not solved our energy crisis) and Drilling offshore. (Which Obama supports as a "step" to energy independence, where McCain sees it as a "solution")

-Certain Companies will benefit when a Candidate wins the election.
If Obama wins the following things will happen: Broadband internet prices will go down and quality of service will improve, Alternative Energies that we need in order to become energy independent will benefit. Oil Companies will have to lower prices in order to compete with Alternative Fuels. Natural Gas prices will go down. New Companies that support clean energy will have easier launches. Many, Many jobs would be created.

-Obama is a strong supporter of our Education. He wants make sure EVERYONE who wants to go to college gets there, and has the support to stay in college.

-Obama wants to help our public schools so they can actually compete on an international level. Many are failing and cannot fund new books and things due to the "No Child left Behind" act.

Btw, If you do not make over $250,000 a year, Obama is NOT going to raise your Taxes.

And I believe, if Colin Powell endorses Obama (A former GENERAL and Secretary of State) I think he is more than qualified to lead our country, security wise. Heck, Bill Clinton and Hillary are out campaigning their hearts out for Obama. The times of the Clinton administration represent when our country was not almost 11 Trillion dollars in the hole. The Clintons are very smart people, and would not endorse and campaign for Obama if they did not believe he would do a great job as President.

Obama is a very well-educated man, who seeks out the best in the nation to help him.

-He is not a terrorist. Bill Ayers is NOT on the ticket. The two men only met a few times briefly, are not "pals" and Mr. Ayers is not an issue important to the American people. The Economy and our wallets is. That's that. McCain's poor attempt at getting people suspicious about Obama.

So even if you aren't going to vote. You don't have to support McCain. Just because Obama is something we've never seen before in a Presidential Election, doesn't mean he is a bad choice.

Why am I following this election so closely? This determines a new direction for America. I am concerned for the future. What the outcome of this election is, will affect me and you for a long time to come.

I for one, think everyone should open their minds a little more. Listen to his speech at the Democratic National Convention. Compare that to McCain's Republican National Convention Speech. Which Inspires you more?
 
T-Tar Master said:
John. I am sorry but you have definately reached the limit. YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE ON TV? That is your 1st big problem. Bush as we have said is not the bad guy here, Clinton is. Also, Barack Obama has voted that failing abortionist babies should be killed. :( Ouch!
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darkrai1246 said:
Obamabortion

Nuff said.
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Obama only voted against that bill in Illinois because there WAS ALREADY a LAW on the books PROTECTING THE BABIES. He was just trying to keep clutter out of the law books there, and save the state money.

He doesn't want to kill babies. He just wants women to make an informed decision and have the support they need. It's up to the women. Obama is not having the babies.

However T-Tar Master, you are right not to believe all of what reporters say on the news. This is why I look up things to see if they are true or not. I am genuinely concerned for the future of this Nation, and I want to see us move more towards the future, not more Bush-like policies and promises that fail.
 
Rocket: All I have to say is thank you!

Darkrai1246: Why do you not support abortion? I mean sure, you should not kill a baby because you don't want it, but what if somebody got rap**? Then it should be allowed, but honestly, that should only be the reason. If we completly eliminate abortion, there are WAY TOO MANY humans and babies that are unwanted: NUFF SAID
 
T-Tar: You wanna answer my question? How many WMD's did we find? Exactly. Lie? This could, and might, have helped seduce the US into the Holy War, because look. Would Saddam say, "Yo peeps! We have WMD's that can go up in yo face and blast the Earth apart!"? Hmm...sounds a little fishy.
 
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