BW/BW2 Am I only person that doesn't care about EV/IV's?

[Card Slinger J]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Same here, I really hate how unofficial bootlegs and simulators such as Pokemon Showdown and Pokemon Generations took the fun of Wi-Fi Battling away from the official mainstream Pokemon games which is what's making me lose interest in Competitive Battling on my 3DS for White 2 altogether. I've bred and raised my Pokemon since Gen IV starting from Pearl/Platinum up to now and finding out that by last year it was all for NOTHING when I could've battled competitively online without doing all that hard work and effort on my 3DS is such a buzzkill. This is way worse than not being able to import Pokemon from Gen V to Gen VI, infact why does it matter anymore when players have hacked the Pokemon games to death? Go look at all the bootlegs of Pokemon games players have made that are posted on YouTube and you know where I'm getting at.

It doesn't matter when X & Y with Gen VI is released later this year cause players will find a way to bring it over to Pokemon Showdown where spending $35-40 for a 3DS Pokemon game is pointless when all that hard work is already done for you on the simulator itself. No point in going on a brand new journey battling Gym Leaders, attaining Badges, and beating the Elite Four when post-game breeding a team of Pokemon is no longer good for Wi-Fi Battling cause players would much rather have their team ready to go on an online simulator with Pokemon Showdown instead. That's basically taking two thirds of what made the Pokemon games great and just focus on the competitive aspect of it like you've already proven yourself but it makes sense when you've done it so many times throughout each version of Pokemon that's been released since Red/Blue/Yellow in Gen I right? So what happens with Official VGC Tournaments is it going to utilize Pokemon Showdown exclusively for now on since it can be played on iPad tablets and smartphones?

 

[King Arceus]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Don't expect Official Events to ever use a simulator. They want to endorse their product.

At the end of the day using a simulator is more competitive because it puts everyone on equal ground. It doesn't matter if a person has hardly any free time or a lot of free time.

 

[TokenDuelist]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

The way I kind of see EVs and competitive play is just...

A lot of people really only go for what's top tier, what they know is top tier, etc. Yes Smogon exists, yes Smogon tells you what's the best.
But they aren't always right - so it's best to just come up with your own plans of action. EVs are just the bare bones of it.

But I agree with quite a few of you - Pokemon Showdown is a huge wreck, I have heard many people actually just go on there to avoid spending money on the games, and that sets off alarms for me. It is hurting Pokemon badly, sales numbers are clearly dropping not only because people are fairly arrogant about new gens - but because many would rather play Pokemon Showdown than the actual game itself. I can understand the purpose of the tool, and I can agree it is useful for people to practice - but it's purpose does more harm than good, not only for the competitive play - but for Game Freak's sales. It is hurting Pokemon badly.

 

[ryter78]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I'm going to start competitive play with X and Y coming out, but before I never really paid attention to them unless i'm just tinkering around comparing pokemon. I'm worried about having to play hacked pokmeon though.

It is hurting Pokemon badly.

Does pokemon have the ability to take down the sites or have they tried at all? I find it really lame to battle with fake pokemon you haven't raises, just doesn't seem fun.

 

[Frezgle]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

It is hurting Pokemon badly.

Does pokemon have the ability to take down the sites or have they tried at all? I find it really lame to battle with fake pokemon you haven't raises, just doesn't seem fun.

All right, I need to say something here.
First, I would like to see the evidence that battle simulators are hurting Pokemon's sales. Last I checked, Pokemon is pretty well off and still one of Nintendo's biggest money-making franchises.

Second, not everyone has the free time to spend hours on raising perfect Pokemon in-game, or even decent Pokemon in-game. I only rarely bother with trying to get good IVs, and getting the right EVs/nature/moveset still takes me at least a couple of hours per Pokemon (and yes, you do need to pay attention to these things if you want to actually win sometimes, especially for the Battle Subway and PWT.)
My daily schedule looks like this:
Get up at 7:30
Go to classes at 8:00 for eight hours
Come back at 4:00, go to work at 6:00 for two and a half hours
Come back at 8:30 wanting to sleep
I do have some time to sit down and tediously EV train, but I also have other things that I may want to do. Other games, art, personal projects, etc. And sometimes I would like to just unwind with a few competitive battles without spending a good chunk of my free time getting the right Pokemon at competitive strengths. Hello, simulator.

TL;DR, simulators are not "harmful" or "lame"; they're for people who don't have tons of free time.

 

[Card Slinger J]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Don't expect Official Events to ever use a simulator. They want to endorse their product.

At the end of the day using a simulator is more competitive because it puts everyone on equal ground. It doesn't matter if a person has hardly any free time or a lot of free time.

I get that but how are players who exclusively use simulators like Pokemon Showdown instead of buying the actual product by Nintendo and Game Freak able to compete in Sanctioned VGC Tournaments when all it does is severely lower player attendance for VGC's in general? The biggest problem with VGC's is that they only use the Lv. 50 Double Battles format while not giving Lv. 50 or Lv. 100 6 on 6 Single Battles formats a second thought.

It is hurting Pokemon badly.

Does pokemon have the ability to take down the sites or have they tried at all? I find it really lame to battle with fake pokemon you haven't raises, just doesn't seem fun.

Nintendo and Game Freak haven't really filed any lawsuits for copyright infringement against people who make bootlegs of their own Pokemon games let alone Pokemon Showdown and Pokemon Generations which is a step close to an unofficial Pokemon MMO that we could get. The least they could do is order them to take it down but given their current situation with Nintendo game LP's on YouTube and terrible sales with the Wii U and 3DS lately that doesn't seem likely.

 

[King Arceus]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

You use the simulator to practice so you don't have to spend hours training a team just to find out it doesn't work. That's what most of the serious players do.

Also, there is more skill involved when doing anything other than Singles. It really challenges the player's ability to think on their feet. Rotation for example, you have to think about all three of their Pokemon they have on the field. Will they keep the one in front active, will they rotate left, will they rotate right, will they switch out?

 

[Slowbro]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Don't expect Official Events to ever use a simulator. They want to endorse their product.

At the end of the day using a simulator is more competitive because it puts everyone on equal ground. It doesn't matter if a person has hardly any free time or a lot of free time.

I get that but how are players who exclusively use simulators like Pokemon Showdown instead of buying the actual product by Nintendo and Game Freak able to compete in Sanctioned VGC Tournaments when all it does is severely lower player attendance for VGC's in general? The biggest problem with VGC's is that they only use the Lv. 50 Double Battles format while not giving Lv. 50 or Lv. 100 6 on 6 Single Battles formats a second thought.

Does pokemon have the ability to take down the sites or have they tried at all? I find it really lame to battle with fake pokemon you haven't raises, just doesn't seem fun.

Nintendo and Game Freak haven't really filed any lawsuits for copyright infringement against people who make bootlegs of their own Pokemon games let alone Pokemon Showdown and Pokemon Generations which is a step close to an unofficial Pokemon MMO that we could get. The least they could do is order them to take it down but given their current situation with Nintendo game LP's on YouTube and terrible sales with the Wii U and 3DS lately that doesn't seem likely.

The simulators aren't bootlegs. They aren't even simulating the game, they're a battle simulator. I've bought all the games, but I know without it, I would definitely not spend the time training up a competitive team in game. Like someone else said, would you mind linking to where it shows Pokemon's sales are actually suffering because of the simulator? Competitive battlers make up such a small market for pokemon, and I assure you, Showdown is not the reason the 3ds and Wii U's sales are suffering. People who play in simulators probably wouldn't play in VGC's, regardless of whether or not the simulators existed. You can only go to regionals, it's a costly and time consuming trip, you have to train up a team, and VGC's isn't as fun as singles for most people. Not to mention people like me who mainly focus on the TCG and want to get in a competitive battle here or there without spending hours upon hours upon hours training up a team just to find out it's really not that good.

 

[Jakeremix]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Does pokemon have the ability to take down the sites or have they tried at all? I find it really lame to battle with fake pokemon you haven't raises, just doesn't seem fun.

All right, I need to say something here.
First, I would like to see the evidence that battle simulators are hurting Pokemon's sales. Last I checked, Pokemon is pretty well off and still one of Nintendo's biggest money-making franchises.

Second, not everyone has the free time to spend hours on raising perfect Pokemon in-game, or even decent Pokemon in-game. I only rarely bother with trying to get good IVs, and getting the right EVs/nature/moveset still takes me at least a couple of hours per Pokemon (and yes, you do need to pay attention to these things if you want to actually win sometimes, especially for the Battle Subway and PWT.)
My daily schedule looks like this:
Get up at 7:30
Go to classes at 8:00 for eight hours
Come back at 4:00, go to work at 6:00 for two and a half hours
Come back at 8:30 wanting to sleep
I do have some time to sit down and tediously EV train, but I also have other things that I may want to do. Other games, art, personal projects, etc. And sometimes I would like to just unwind with a few competitive battles without spending a good chunk of my free time getting the right Pokemon at competitive strengths. Hello, simulator.

TL;DR, simulators are not "harmful" or "lame"; they're for people who don't have tons of free time.

If you're busy enough to actually post your schedule on here, then you probably don't have the time to be competitive battling in the first place.

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[DNA]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

If you're busy enough to actually post your schedule on here, then you probably don't have the time to be competitive battling in the first place.

...what

 

[.:*Shiro Kumari*:.]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I just play the game regularly, and when I roam the competitive play section, I'm confused.

Edit: And the natures. I don't see the point in it. I easily understand abilities, but I don't fret about nature.

I am into competitive battling, but I have a set team for that, and all 'mons on that team are fully EV trained with pretty good IV spreads ((in my opinion)) and helpful natures. But other than that, I don't worry about Natures or IV/EVs.

 

[dr.professor kevin]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I'm a competative battler, so I care about EV's IV's and Natures on the pokemon I'm using for tournaments and things. when I'm playing through a game, I like to get proper natures for pokemon, but I don't worry about EV's and IV's

 

[N0rk8]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I never really thought about EV/IV stats and all that when I first got Pokemon Black. I was kinda like: "What's all this 'nature', 'abilities', etc. Pokemon sure seems more confusing nowadays?!"; of course this was after a LONG hiatus from Pokemon (just stopped playing for some reason, probably 5+ yrs. and didn't even realize it), so now after coming back and seeing all this new stuff, I'm baffled, and baffled still.

It's not that I don't like EV/IV, its that it's just confusing and with all the percentages and stuff like x1.5, x2, 30% etc. and then what moves and/or move-sets are better because of what percentage in battle and what have you. Let's just say math and numbers isn't my strong suite and even something as fictional as Pokemon that has; what seems on occasion mathematical like tendencies, can still throw me off.

As for competitive battle, never really did that either.

 

[MuhFugginMoose]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

Heh, I originally never cared about EV/IVs but then I came up closer into the Competitive world, and that's where the EVs and IVs really end up mattering. I couldn't tell you how many times my friends thought they were high and mighty with their pokemon that clearly weren't properly trained. And I proceeded to sweep with my Ampharos. xD
If you play in depth competitive battles, the EVs and IVs really do end up mattering. Sometimes It's the difference between a KO and a pokemon hanging on by 1hp.

 

[SheNinja]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I don't understand why there is a discussion about this. If you don't want to EV train, feel free to get thrashed by my team to my enjoyment. If you do, then good luck, have fun.

 

[MuhFugginMoose]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I don't understand why there is a discussion about this. If you don't want to EV train, feel free to get thrashed by my team to my enjoyment. If you do, then good luck, have fun.

Heh, I thought the same thing when I first read through this.

In-Game, Ev/Ivs dont matter. But I think competitively when EV/IVs are even remotely mentioned.

 

[Cinesra]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

The way I kind of see EVs and competitive play is just...

A lot of people really only go for what's top tier, what they know is top tier, etc. Yes Smogon exists, yes Smogon tells you what's the best.
But they aren't always right - so it's best to just come up with your own plans of action. EVs are just the bare bones of it.

But I agree with quite a few of you - Pokemon Showdown is a huge wreck, I have heard many people actually just go on there to avoid spending money on the games, and that sets off alarms for me. It is hurting Pokemon badly, sales numbers are clearly dropping not only because people are fairly arrogant about new gens - but because many would rather play Pokemon Showdown than the actual game itself. I can understand the purpose of the tool, and I can agree it is useful for people to practice - but it's purpose does more harm than good, not only for the competitive play - but for Game Freak's sales. It is hurting Pokemon badly.

Good god this is probably the most wrong post I've read in a while and I seriously don't think you know what you're talking about. First of all, Smogon does not tell you what's best. Tiers are decided by how often the community uses Pokemon in battle. Smogon doesn't just decide that some Pokemon are good.You're right about people going for what's top tier. Top tier is defined and decided by what people are going for. OU means overused for a reason.. People always use what's best in a competitive environment and they would still do this if Smogon didn't exist.

Now for the part you're clearly making up. Pokemon sales are not dropping in any way. Black and White were some of the best selling DS games of all time and were the most preordered DS games of all time. As a competitive battler, I can tell you from my own first-hand experiences that most people who play on sims buy the games, too. Simulators are not a substitute for the actual game. The only thing you can do is battle on a sim, there is no story mode.

Showdown is not the reason the 3ds and Wii U's sales are suffering.

Except the 3DS is selling fine.

I never really thought about EV/IV stats and all that when I first got Pokemon Black. I was kinda like: "What's all this 'nature', 'abilities', etc. Pokemon sure seems more confusing nowadays?!"; of course this was after a LONG hiatus from Pokemon (just stopped playing for some reason, probably 5+ yrs. and didn't even realize it), so now after coming back and seeing all this new stuff, I'm baffled, and baffled still.

You must have been gone longer than 5 years because natures and abilities have existed since 2002 when Ruby and Sapphire came out.

 

[98Greener]

Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I'm just now starting to learn on how to EV train. It's confusing stuff. Power Bands, natures etc.
The only problem is to now find out WHAT Pokemon to train. I'm seriously considering on EV training a Pineco, into a Foretress. I really don't know why.

 

[mastermagpie]

Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I used to not care but recently I've gotten into having the right natures and EVs. It's not hard, it's good fun and very rewarding.

I don't get the point in getting the right IVs though. Pretty much everyone cheats to get those right (RNG, PokeGen), that's what really annoys me more than EV and nature focus.

 

[zappy800]

RE: Am I only person that doesn't care of all this fancy EV/IV stuff?

I used to not care but recently I've gotten into having the right natures and EVs. It's not hard, it's good fun and very rewarding.

I don't get the point in getting the right IVs though. Pretty much everyone cheats to get those right (RNG, PokeGen), that's what really annoys me more than EV and nature focus.

EV's/natures=easy
IV's=hard or cheating
Agree 100 percent.