Blastoise / Keldeo EX / Black Kyurem EX
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RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
Meant ex sorry
Meant ex sorry
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
I feel that by adding Moltres and fire energy, you hurt your consistency too much. Even if you play prism energies, the fact that you cant retrieve them with energy retrieval is too much of an issue at times. I feel that Black Kyruem EX should be the main attacker of this deck at this point. Black Kyruem EX is needed to deal with problematic cards such as Mewtwo EX, Darkrai EX, and Rayquaza EX that threaten your Keldeo EX's because they cant OHKO consistently. Therefore, at least 3 electric energy should be played. Personally, i'm running 4 along with the regular Black Kyruem. Without Moltres, sure, the Klinglang match up is going to be harder. I don't think adding Moltres and fire/prism energy is worth hurting the consistency of every other match up. Seeing as this deck is a stage 2 deck, its going to have those inconsistent hands. Adding more inconsistencies to the deck is certainly not going to help matters Plus, its not like Blastoise cant do 100 each turn to either Cobalion EX or Klinklang. Regular Black Kyruem can as well. Its also not a guarantee that they will have their Klinklang set up before you go to town with Deluge.
I feel that by adding Moltres and fire energy, you hurt your consistency too much. Even if you play prism energies, the fact that you cant retrieve them with energy retrieval is too much of an issue at times. I feel that Black Kyruem EX should be the main attacker of this deck at this point. Black Kyruem EX is needed to deal with problematic cards such as Mewtwo EX, Darkrai EX, and Rayquaza EX that threaten your Keldeo EX's because they cant OHKO consistently. Therefore, at least 3 electric energy should be played. Personally, i'm running 4 along with the regular Black Kyruem. Without Moltres, sure, the Klinglang match up is going to be harder. I don't think adding Moltres and fire/prism energy is worth hurting the consistency of every other match up. Seeing as this deck is a stage 2 deck, its going to have those inconsistent hands. Adding more inconsistencies to the deck is certainly not going to help matters Plus, its not like Blastoise cant do 100 each turn to either Cobalion EX or Klinklang. Regular Black Kyruem can as well. Its also not a guarantee that they will have their Klinklang set up before you go to town with Deluge.
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
Awhile ago, i tested V-Create Victini with prisms. The prisms gave me a lot of problems with not being able to be retrieved. Has that been an issue with your build at all? What is your build looking like?
Awhile ago, i tested V-Create Victini with prisms. The prisms gave me a lot of problems with not being able to be retrieved. Has that been an issue with your build at all? What is your build looking like?
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
Even though running prism means you can't blast through plasma klangs with moltres+energy retrieval and also means you can possibly get screwed by enhanced hammer/steel bullet
Even though running prism means you can't blast through plasma klangs with moltres+energy retrieval and also means you can possibly get screwed by enhanced hammer/steel bullet
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
4 Squirtle (BC 29)
1 Wartortle (BC 30)
3 Blastoise (PS 137)
3 Keldeo EX (BC 142)
1 Moltres (ND 14)
1 Black Kyurem EX (PS 95)
13
4 Professor Juniper (BW 101)
4 N (NV 101)
3 Skyla (BC 149)
4 Rare Candy (DE 100)
3 Ultra Ball (DE 102)
3 Pokemon Catcher (DE 111)
4 Energy Retrieval (BW 92)
1 Super Rod (NV 95)
2 Tropical Beach (BWP 28)
1 Tool Scrapper (DR 116)
1 Dowsing Machine (PS 128)
1 Random Receiver (PS 138)
1 Level Ball (ND 89)
2 Switch (BW 104)
34
11 Water Energy (BW 107)
2 Prism Energy (ND 93)
(Sorry about the weirdness of the stuff, I Copy-pasted from Bebe'sSearch)
4 Squirtle (BC 29)
1 Wartortle (BC 30)
3 Blastoise (PS 137)
3 Keldeo EX (BC 142)
1 Moltres (ND 14)
1 Black Kyurem EX (PS 95)
13
4 Professor Juniper (BW 101)
4 N (NV 101)
3 Skyla (BC 149)
4 Rare Candy (DE 100)
3 Ultra Ball (DE 102)
3 Pokemon Catcher (DE 111)
4 Energy Retrieval (BW 92)
1 Super Rod (NV 95)
2 Tropical Beach (BWP 28)
1 Tool Scrapper (DR 116)
1 Dowsing Machine (PS 128)
1 Random Receiver (PS 138)
1 Level Ball (ND 89)
2 Switch (BW 104)
34
11 Water Energy (BW 107)
2 Prism Energy (ND 93)
(Sorry about the weirdness of the stuff, I Copy-pasted from Bebe'sSearch)
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
This is the build i have been testing. Its been pretty consistent
4 Squirtle
3 Blastoise
3 Keldeo EX
2 Black Kyurem EX
1 Black Kyurem
13
3 N
3 Professor Juniper
3 Skyla
2 Colress
4 Energy Retrieval
4 Rare Candy
4 Ultra Ball
3 Pokemon Catcher
1 Heavy Ball
1 Level Ball
1 Super Rod
1 Tool Scrapper
1 Dowsing Machine
2 Tropical Beach
33
10 Water Energy
4 Electric Energy
14
Black Kyurem is my main attacker. I use Keldeo EX simply to dodge lasers as well as to knock out Landorus EX and weaker pokemon. Dowsing Machine is used as a 2nd Tool Scrapper, 5th Energy Retrieval, 4th Pokemon Catcher or any supporter usually. A problem I sometimes have is having to discard too many Rare Candy or Energy Retrieval with Professor Juniper. Because of this, I decided to cut one in favor of supporters that return cards to the deck. That way, when my opponent decides to N me when i have a low prize count, I can hopefully rip one of those Juniper that I return back. Colress with 4 Ultra Ball, 1 Level Ball, and 1 Heavy Ball has been really nice mid game. I can usually snag at least 6 or 7 cards with it. The one Heavy Ball has also been nice, searching for either the Blastoise or a Black Kyurem EX. Lets face it, Black Kyurem EX is an animal, and should be abused. It will be even better when we gain some Super Energy Retrievals next set!
This is the build i have been testing. Its been pretty consistent
4 Squirtle
3 Blastoise
3 Keldeo EX
2 Black Kyurem EX
1 Black Kyurem
13
3 N
3 Professor Juniper
3 Skyla
2 Colress
4 Energy Retrieval
4 Rare Candy
4 Ultra Ball
3 Pokemon Catcher
1 Heavy Ball
1 Level Ball
1 Super Rod
1 Tool Scrapper
1 Dowsing Machine
2 Tropical Beach
33
10 Water Energy
4 Electric Energy
14
Black Kyurem is my main attacker. I use Keldeo EX simply to dodge lasers as well as to knock out Landorus EX and weaker pokemon. Dowsing Machine is used as a 2nd Tool Scrapper, 5th Energy Retrieval, 4th Pokemon Catcher or any supporter usually. A problem I sometimes have is having to discard too many Rare Candy or Energy Retrieval with Professor Juniper. Because of this, I decided to cut one in favor of supporters that return cards to the deck. That way, when my opponent decides to N me when i have a low prize count, I can hopefully rip one of those Juniper that I return back. Colress with 4 Ultra Ball, 1 Level Ball, and 1 Heavy Ball has been really nice mid game. I can usually snag at least 6 or 7 cards with it. The one Heavy Ball has also been nice, searching for either the Blastoise or a Black Kyurem EX. Lets face it, Black Kyurem EX is an animal, and should be abused. It will be even better when we gain some Super Energy Retrievals next set!
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
It helps against opposing Black Kyurem EX, Rayquaza EX, and is a solid attacker against Klinklang
And it helps against Garchomp/Altaria if that's any constellation!
It helps against opposing Black Kyurem EX, Rayquaza EX, and is a solid attacker against Klinklang
And it helps against Garchomp/Altaria if that's any constellation!
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
I took out my 4x Prisms and put in 2x Fire and 2x Lightning. Then instead of Scrable Sw. I put CPU Seach and added an Energy Search.
I took out my 4x Prisms and put in 2x Fire and 2x Lightning. Then instead of Scrable Sw. I put CPU Seach and added an Energy Search.
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
Prisms/Blends are not that great in this. As I said before, with Basic energy you can simply run through PlasmaKlang with a single molres+energy retrieval, also, they make you vulnerable to enhanced hammers
Prisms/Blends are not that great in this. As I said before, with Basic energy you can simply run through PlasmaKlang with a single molres+energy retrieval, also, they make you vulnerable to enhanced hammers
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
Well Prism is impossible to search out without CS and Basic energies are retrievable and searchable.
Well Prism is impossible to search out without CS and Basic energies are retrievable and searchable.
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
It comes up consistently enough for me. Saves spaces that are used for more consistency. I choose which Poke that I should play according to the matchup and use the Prisms for that Poke only, unless Keldeo has a kill that those can be used for.
It comes up consistently enough for me. Saves spaces that are used for more consistency. I choose which Poke that I should play according to the matchup and use the Prisms for that Poke only, unless Keldeo has a kill that those can be used for.
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
Instead of playing Moltres, have any of you guys teched the regular Keldeo instead? I feel like attaching four Energy to that sucker for 120 damage while only giving up a single Prize Card is a pretty solid trade-off.
Instead of playing Moltres, have any of you guys teched the regular Keldeo instead? I feel like attaching four Energy to that sucker for 120 damage while only giving up a single Prize Card is a pretty solid trade-off.
RE: Keldeo EX / Blastoise (With and without Black Kyurem EX)
I dont use Baby Keldeo because it will not OHKO them Klingklangs which are the worst enemy to this deck. Not only that but it will also OHKO Cobalion EX as well. I ran Prisms but Cobalion EX's Righteous Edge kept discarding them and I had no way to get them back. Not only that but lets say at a tournament you dont face Steel, BKEX Black Ballista can use a fire for the colorless and you can discard that instead of a water energy.
I dont use Baby Keldeo because it will not OHKO them Klingklangs which are the worst enemy to this deck. Not only that but it will also OHKO Cobalion EX as well. I ran Prisms but Cobalion EX's Righteous Edge kept discarding them and I had no way to get them back. Not only that but lets say at a tournament you dont face Steel, BKEX Black Ballista can use a fire for the colorless and you can discard that instead of a water energy.