Concern with the Direction of the Game Thus Far (Again...)
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If we have a B/W-On format next year,it won't be as bad as what people think.Let's run through the list
the cards in bold text are cards that will get rotated)
Poke Catcher+Junk Arm
Ability Emboar+RDL
Yanmega Prime+Magnezone Prime
Donphan Prime+Machamp Prime
Reshiram+Typhlosion Prime
Feraligatr Prime decks
Zekrom+Pacirisu(CoL)+Shaymin(HSU)
See,it won't be so bad.Part of me is hoping for a B/W-On format.
the cards in bold text are cards that will get rotated)Poke Catcher+Junk Arm
Ability Emboar+RDL
Yanmega Prime+Magnezone Prime
Donphan Prime+Machamp Prime
Reshiram+Typhlosion Prime
Feraligatr Prime decks
Zekrom+Pacirisu(CoL)+Shaymin(HSU)
See,it won't be so bad.Part of me is hoping for a B/W-On format
.Red Striker said:If we have a B/W-On format next year,it won't be as bad as what people think.Let's run through the list
Poke Catcher+Junk Arm
Ability Emboar+RDL
Yanmega Prime+Magnezone Prime
Donphan Prime+Machamp Prime
Reshiram+Typhlosion Prime
Feraligatr Prime decks
Zekrom+Pacirisu(CoL)+Shaymin(HSU)
See,it won't be so bad.Part of me is hoping for a B/W-On format
I would love BW-on. ZPS dies. Reshiboar stays. Cinccino would become good. Zoroark would become good. So many possibilities.Out of that list, I'll only miss Junk Arm and Magnezone. Also, can't wait for Donphan to leave. It's not that I hate it, it just feels like it's been legal for a looong time. I'm excited for a BW-on format. It seems fun and not too one-sided. We have to remember that whatever is dominating now can change though. Maybe, by the time Psycho Drive and Hail Blizzard is released, Yanmega, Reshiram, and Magnezone will fall. We still have to see if the rest of the EXs are good enough though.
Yeah I've noticed some other players complaining about how "godly" the new Mewtwo ex is and when I saw that card I was like, "It looks just like Mewtwo Lv. X from Legends Awakened except even cooler." We are talking about a Basic Pokemon with 170 HP that can be searched via Pokemon Collector and Communication, can do 120 damage for 3 energies for the cost of an energy attachment discard and it's first attack with a DCE can do 20 damage for each energy attached to both Active Pokemon (yours and your Opponent's).
I think what some people don't get is that Mewtwo ex can be countered easily by Mew Prime with Mass Attack (Jumpluff Lost Zoned) in MewBox decks or by using Zoroark for Foul Play copying Mewtwo ex's attacks. You can do about 180 damage or more granted you have a full bench and they have at least 3-4 benched Pokemon to Mass Attack with Mew Prime like a boss. If Rayquaza/Deoxys LEGEND can be countered easily by Zoroark and other cards why not Mewtwo ex? It's not nearly as broken as my friend SPIRE_FAN made it out to be on Team Rogue's forums here on PokeBeach.
As for the current format being stagnant, yes it is but not like how it was with Yu-Gi-Oh! when the Chaos decks and Yata-Garasu were breaking the format. We need new Pokemon that can actually answer our problems with dominant Pokemon like Magnezone Prime, Donphan Prime, and Yanmega Prime 2 of which can be countered by Tornadus and Beartic however judging by what we are getting from EP Beartic seems to be the best thing to a Donphan counter we have in the current format unless you rather prefer Swanna from last set. Raichu Prime and Lanturn Prime are good counters against Yanmega Prime however with Yanmega paired with Donphan it's easily countered and the Fighting Weakness hurts more than helps in the longrun.
I never said Stage 2's were completely unplayable, they are just mainly run as 1 Pokemon line instead of 2 like in the last 2 formats we've had lately part of the reason being the Rare Candy errata hurting the consistency of running more than 1 Stage 2 line in a deck. It's possible but it's alot slower now and it can take more turns setting up when you don't have that time anymore. I've seen some decks run 3-2-3/2-2-2 of 1 Stage 2 Pokemon in their deck and another being 1-0-1 as a backup tech. If you're running Mew Prime you can easily get away with running as many Stage 2's as you want without their pre-evolutions cause of the versatility of it's Poke-Body Lost Link and See Off.
I think what some people don't get is that Mewtwo ex can be countered easily by Mew Prime with Mass Attack (Jumpluff Lost Zoned) in MewBox decks or by using Zoroark for Foul Play copying Mewtwo ex's attacks. You can do about 180 damage or more granted you have a full bench and they have at least 3-4 benched Pokemon to Mass Attack with Mew Prime like a boss. If Rayquaza/Deoxys LEGEND can be countered easily by Zoroark and other cards why not Mewtwo ex? It's not nearly as broken as my friend SPIRE_FAN made it out to be on Team Rogue's forums here on PokeBeach.
As for the current format being stagnant, yes it is but not like how it was with Yu-Gi-Oh! when the Chaos decks and Yata-Garasu were breaking the format. We need new Pokemon that can actually answer our problems with dominant Pokemon like Magnezone Prime, Donphan Prime, and Yanmega Prime 2 of which can be countered by Tornadus and Beartic however judging by what we are getting from EP Beartic seems to be the best thing to a Donphan counter we have in the current format unless you rather prefer Swanna from last set. Raichu Prime and Lanturn Prime are good counters against Yanmega Prime however with Yanmega paired with Donphan it's easily countered and the Fighting Weakness hurts more than helps in the longrun.
catutie said:
I never said Stage 2's were completely unplayable, they are just mainly run as 1 Pokemon line instead of 2 like in the last 2 formats we've had lately part of the reason being the Rare Candy errata hurting the consistency of running more than 1 Stage 2 line in a deck. It's possible but it's alot slower now and it can take more turns setting up when you don't have that time anymore. I've seen some decks run 3-2-3/2-2-2 of 1 Stage 2 Pokemon in their deck and another being 1-0-1 as a backup tech. If you're running Mew Prime you can easily get away with running as many Stage 2's as you want without their pre-evolutions cause of the versatility of it's Poke-Body Lost Link and See Off.
catutie said:LOL Matches took a long time back then. I thought HS-on would be a slow format but NOOOO "Hers sm Zekroms and Reshiramz, dey do 120 for 3...ya, ya no like Base Set" Can we please...PLEASE just have stage 2's that do 50 damage for 3 and that is considered a GOOD card?
O_O Card Slinger...how...many...times...Rare Candy is JUST AS effective...get over your SP ya complainer
Ok, but in base set, what wast the meta? Answer me that. Oh thats right, Haymaker was the only real competitive deck. Basics thats can hit fast. And I don't know why you want to say matches took a long time back then. 2008 matches took on average 30-40 minutes. Where as base set is was 10-20 minutes. Base set was all about the speed. And if you really wish to complain about Zekrom and Reshiram. Its not that their 3 for 120 is overpowered, its more that they have too much support. Take Emboar, Pachi, Shaymin, and Typhlosion all out of the picture and what do you got? A pokemon that takes 3 turns to get powered up. Its the support thats the issue not the basics.
catutie said:
No I didn't, what Pokemon was the deck running? I heard a rumor from HeyTrainer.org that it was running that Tropical Beach Stadium that allows both players to draw up to 7 cards but ends their turn or something. Too bad you can only get that Promo at Worlds though, and I think given it's rarity it's valued higher than Victory Medal which you can only get for winning at Battle Roads and City Championships.
I'd imagine this Rogue deck that topped originated from either HeyTrainer or http://google.com/ since they are usually pretty descret about secret tech's and using the surprise factor to their advantage on the sanctioned level. I tried to find the Top 3 decks that won Worlds 2011 from a Google Search and couldn't find anything. I'm assuming either Pokemon.com hasn't posted the results yet or Water Pokemon Master is working on an article about it as we speak.
catutie said:
MagneBoar won Worlds 2011 in the Masters Division? Considering Yanmega Prime making Second at Worlds this doesn't surprise me considering it's weakness to Electric and Magnezone attacking with Lost Burn. What won Seniors and Juniors then? But yeah as for MagneBoar winning Worlds the only reason why is because Catcher isn't in the format yet, once it is though you can bet MagneBoar will decline in popularity.
Project696 said:
I think it's more about putting 120 damage for 3 energy on a Basic with above normal HP instead of keeping it on a Stage 2 Pokemon cause the speed of a Basic is devastating compared to how it's more balanced with Evolutions themselves. This is part of the reason why SP Pokemon in our last format was the worst idea ever to plague this TCG, what PUSA/TPCi should've done is had Trainer, Gym Leader, and Frontier Brain Named Pokemon be able to evolve like their predecessors from Gym Heroes back in the old days.
Uuuuuhhhh actually there is a Haymaker in this torney and it's losing...yaaaaa
The meta back then was very balanced. Charizard, Blastiose, Haymaker, Mulligan Mewtwo, and a bunch more made up the meta and even really rogue (like my deck in the torney) shine bright (4-0...ya...haven't lost).
I do have to agree, but TCPi makes the combos. Sure was nice of them to release Emboar and Reshiram IN THE SAME SET >_>
Vileplume/Reuniclus/Blissey/Zekrom/Donphan/Suicune & Entei LEGEND/Cleffa/Pichu/Tropical Beach
That came in second...it lost because of a donk...ya...rogue as heck.
The meta back then was very balanced. Charizard, Blastiose, Haymaker, Mulligan Mewtwo, and a bunch more made up the meta and even really rogue (like my deck in the torney) shine bright (4-0...ya...haven't lost
). I do have to agree, but TCPi makes the combos. Sure was nice of them to release Emboar and Reshiram IN THE SAME SET >_>
Card Slinger J said:
Vileplume/Reuniclus/Blissey/Zekrom/Donphan/Suicune & Entei LEGEND/Cleffa/Pichu/Tropical Beach
That came in second...it lost because of a donk...ya...rogue as heck.
catutie said:
I swear, everytime I see that list or deck name I just go O_O. I really wonder what he will call it for when they print it.
But this proves that if a rouge deck can go this far (even if it was just because of the element of surprise) that this season is still pretty healthy.
Perhaps a problem we'll encounter even with a B/W-On format are snipe deck varients.Take the snipe deck in my signatutre for example.
With Pokecatcher,games won't last as long as they did when I first started(which was two years ago).Let's say you manage to get a Rare Candy,Pokemon Communication in the same starting hand and you start out with a Dieno.T1 you use Communicatinon to search for a Hydriegon.Next turn,you use Rare Candy to evolve Dieno into Hydriegon,attach a DCE and your already halfway set up.
I know the link is a Call of Legends-On deck,but you can't really build a decent B/W-On deck at the moment.
With Pokecatcher,games won't last as long as they did when I first started(which was two years ago).Let's say you manage to get a Rare Candy,Pokemon Communication in the same starting hand and you start out with a Dieno.T1 you use Communicatinon to search for a Hydriegon.Next turn,you use Rare Candy to evolve Dieno into Hydriegon,attach a DCE and your already halfway set up.
I know the link is a Call of Legends-On deck,but you can't really build a decent B/W-On deck at the moment.
Red Striker said:If we have a B/W-On format next year,it won't be as bad as what people think.Let's run through the list
Poke Catcher+Junk Arm
Ability Emboar+RDL
Yanmega Prime+Magnezone Prime
Donphan Prime+Machamp Prime
Reshiram+Typhlosion Prime
Feraligatr Prime decks
Zekrom+Pacirisu(CoL)+Shaymin(HSU)
See,it won't be so bad.Part of me is hoping for a B/W-On format
You win the thread. Catcher is only imbalanced because of stuff like Donphan Prime who can abuse it to its fullest.
The Japanese make cards to adapt to their format. Our format is always lagging behind and that is why the stuff seems imbalanced.
Im pretty sure Your right and I think they're only allowed 2 of each card in 40 card decks.
Alot of stuff in this game currently is unstable and it's scaring alot of good players from the game or forcing them to quit at least. I don't really want to quit the Pokemon TCG and I've already put alot of money into this game like I have with Magic so like everyone else we're in a really rough spot right now. The Pokemon TCG really seems to have stooped to a new low this time.
Maybe I should ya know take a break from playing Pokemon for awhile and play other TCG's like Magic and WoW until things settle down. I still plan on playing the EP Pre-Release and get my playset of Catchers from booster boxes and I don't really want to get back into
Yu-Gi-Oh! since that will cost me even more money to get back into and the game is just as expensive as Competitive Magic is in Legacy Type 1.
I just didn't think the Pokemon TCG would get this bad and back in 2007 it was making such a huge comeback too and I really didn't want to see it all go to waste. Hardly anybody plays Pokemon TCG where I usually go to anymore, it's just usually WoW, Magic, and Raw Deal so yeah you can see where my problem is coming from. I go to other places to play Pokemon TCG however it seems like more people are going back to Yu-Gi-Oh! and Magic nowadays which sucks.
Maybe I should ya know take a break from playing Pokemon for awhile and play other TCG's like Magic and WoW until things settle down. I still plan on playing the EP Pre-Release and get my playset of Catchers from booster boxes and I don't really want to get back into
Yu-Gi-Oh! since that will cost me even more money to get back into and the game is just as expensive as Competitive Magic is in Legacy Type 1.
I just didn't think the Pokemon TCG would get this bad and back in 2007 it was making such a huge comeback too and I really didn't want to see it all go to waste. Hardly anybody plays Pokemon TCG where I usually go to anymore, it's just usually WoW, Magic, and Raw Deal so yeah you can see where my problem is coming from. I go to other places to play Pokemon TCG however it seems like more people are going back to Yu-Gi-Oh! and Magic nowadays which sucks.