OU: Strategy Counter that Pokemon (Round 30)

RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 17)

I never actually considered Mega Tyranitar, but this thing seems nasty. And I don't wanna go into complicated wall calcs and scenarios... sigh. Let's go for one point again.

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Garchomp @ Garchompite
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge

252 Atk Mega Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 136-160 (38 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock (should Tyranitar attack on the switch instead of using DD)

+1 252 Atk Mega Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Garchomp: 173-204 (48.4 - 57.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (should Tyranitar use DD on the switch)

4+ Atk Sand Force Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Tyranitar in Sand: 344-408 (100.8 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 18)

Quagsire @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
Ability: Unaware
- Earthquake
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic

252 Atk Mega Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 104-123 (26.3 - 31.2%) -- 14.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Tyranitar: 134-158 (39.2 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 18)

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@ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind

There's not much besides (bulky) Fighting-types, tanks, priority and status that can effectively switch into and/or handle Mega Tyranitar, even if those are what severely limits its effectiveness in this metagame. Keldeo is the premier offensive Water-type in OU, and a Choice Scarf set fulfills many of its duties and contributes greatly to overall team synergy. This one can switch into anything Mega Tyranitar has (at the cost of at maximum somewhat over half of its health should it come in on an unboosted Earthquake, but a Scarf Keldeo can still function at ~30-40%, and EQ is probably the least used of Tyranitar's moves overall) and drop a solid OHKO with Sacred Sword, outspeeding even a +1 Tyranitar (hence why a boosted Earthquake doesn't matter much).
252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Tyranitar: 388-460 (113.7 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mega Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 105-125 (32.5 - 38.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
252 Atk Mega Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 141-167 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
+1 252 Atk Mega Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 211-249 (65.3 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 18)

Chaos Jackal has won 1 point for his counter.

Professor Palutena has won 2 points for his counter. It counters, just through Toxic stall less than Scald, as you need more turns for Recover.

Uralya has won 4 points for his counter.

Round 19
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Lopunny @ Lopunnyite
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Return
- Substitute
- Ice Punch

Round ends 2/10. I have updated the OP's damage calculator link with a new one which includes ORAS megas.
Waiting to see who will post Slowbro first.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 80 SpD / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Psychic
- Baton Pass

252 Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Celebi: 135-159 (33.4 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Return does a little more than Ice Punch

0 SpA Celebi Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 204-240 (75.2 - 88.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

Oh come on, one:(? Chomp takes just a bit more than Keldeo in terms of damage (less if Tyranitar doesn't DD), from the same move, and has Sand afterward to augment its own ability. It doesn't function as well on ~40%, but it's still dangerous.

Reaping the seeds of my boredom I guess.

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@ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Slack Off

252 Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 117-138 (29.6 - 35%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Slowbro: 81-96 (20.5 - 24.3%) -- 77.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock

4 SpA Mega Slowbro Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Lopunny: 228-270 (84.1 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

As is the case with half the physical attackers in exictence, Slowbro unfortunately lazes through the damage and sets up to break your psyche, nerves and teams.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Recover

252 Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 118-139 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 138-163 (35 - 41.3%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Lopunny Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 68-81 (17.2 - 20.5%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lopunny: 99-117 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Edit : I didn't change Loppunny's type so Quagsire is not a counter. My bad
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Spiky Shield
- Drain Punch
- Spikes
- Leech Seed

4 Atk Chesnaught Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lopunny: 182-216 (67.1 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 138-163 (36.3 - 42.8%) -- 97.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Spiky Shield forces intense mindgames with High Jump Kick, especially if Lop is behind the sub (if HJK hits Spiky Shield while Lop is behind a sub, it's down to like 10% HP). Drain Punch will keep Chesnaught healthy and it can set up over Lopunny.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

scattered mind said:
252 Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 118-139 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 138-163 (35 - 41.3%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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I think you didn't change Lopunny's type to Fighting, which is why High Jump Kick does less damage than Return.

252 Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 175-207 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

Chaos Jackal said:
scattered mind said:
252 Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 118-139 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 138-163 (35 - 41.3%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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I think you didn't change Lopunny's type to Fighting, which is why High Jump Kick does less damage than Return.

252 Atk Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 175-207 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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Ha, You're right I didn't :O
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

Chaos Jackal and Professor Palutena have tied and both won 3 points for their counters.

Cinesra has won 1 point for his counter. If they Return on the switch, you will be KO'd before you pull off the 2HKO. If they Sub on the switch, the lose the turn of attacking they need to get the KO first.

Scattered Mind has won 0 points for his counter. Unfortunately, Quagsire isn't even a check, as it is outsped even if HJK turns into a 3HKO.

Round 20
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Volcarona @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 96 HP / 252 SpA / 160 Spe
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Giga Drain
- Bug Buzz

Round ends 2/17.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

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Heatran @Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
Modest nature
252 SpAtk/4 SpDef/252 Spe
~Fire Blast
~Earth Power
~Hidden Power Ice
~Stone Edge

Uhh...immune to fire and quad resists both other moves. Stone Edge = 4x Super Effective, and Volcarona's only got base 85/65 HP/Def, so even an uninvested, minus nature Stone Edge will obliterate it. 101.4% minimum, not including Stealth Rock.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

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Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Thunder Punch
- Superpower
- Extreme Speed

+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 98-116 (30.3 - 35.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Outrage vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 468-552 (139.7 - 164.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Roost

Normally while 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 179-211 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock would be a problem, Gale Wings ensures you get Roost off first even if Volcarona tries to go for Fire Blast. Talonflame counters, with an OHKO from Brave Bird. Also 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 73-86 (24.5 - 28.9%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock for extra reference.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

That's not a counter though.

If Talonflame is at 100% HP and switches in when Stealth Rock is in play, it's down to 50% and Fire Blast kills it. Solid check though, especially since it can't be burned by Flame Body.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Careful Nature
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Gyarados: 142-168 (36.1 - 42.7%) -- 94.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 296-350 (88.3 - 104.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

^A bit of a shaky counter I believe.
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Gyarados: 142-168 (36.1 - 42.7%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
You forgot SR. With it factoring in, you have a chance to be 2HKO'd yourself if you don't manage to OHKO first.
Also, just give Teapot those 4 points already.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 19)

Keeper of Night said:
Chaos Jackal and Professor Palutena have tied and both won 3 points for their counters.

Cinesra has won 1 point for his counter. If they Return on the switch, you will be KO'd before you pull off the 2HKO. If they Sub on the switch, the lose the turn of attacking they need to get the KO first.

Scattered Mind has won 0 points for his counter. Unfortunately, Quagsire isn't even a check, as it is outsped even if HJK turns into a 3HKO.

Round 20
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Volcarona @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 96 HP / 252 SpA / 160 Spe
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Giga Drain
- Bug Buzz

Round ends 2/17.
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Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Atk / 184 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Build Notes:
- Although taking SE-hits from both Bug Buzz and Giga Drain, Assault Vest Tyranitar can come in on any attack of Volcarona's, even if Stealth Rock is present, and OHKO it with or without Stealth Rock via Stone Edge.
- 252 HP / 184 SpD with Sassy Nature is the optimal defensive spread to counter a Volcarona's Bug Buzz, which is its strongest attack against Tyranitar. Barring Bug Buzz lowering the Sp.Def on the switch, Volcarona can only 3HKO Tyranitar with Bug Buzz, while a single Stone Edge can OHKO Volcarona.
-- 72 Atk (the remainder of the EVs) is there to empower Tyranitar's already monstrous attack further without sacrificing the necessary bulk to counter.
- Sand Stream in tandem with Assault Vest helps to soften the blows from Volcarona.
- Crunch, Earthquake, and Fire Blast are coverage moves, with Fire Blast being able to punish switches into Ferrothorn or Scizor. Other options include Ice Beam for Landdorus-T, but for this set, I'll use Fire Blast.

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 204 HP / 52 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Roar
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast

Build Notes:
- Heatran is quadruple resistant to both Giga Drain and Bug Buzz, and, with flash fire, completely immune to Fire Blast. While this may seem excessive, the key move with Volcarona's build is Quiver Dance, which provides +1 to all of SpA, SpD, and Spe, making even an Assault Vest Tyranitar with active Sand Stream and maximum SpDef a liability.
- 204 HP / 252 SpD with Calm Nature is the optimal defensive spread to counter a +6 Volcarona, as otherwise said +6 Volcarona can possibly 2HKO with Bug Buzz after Stealth Rock and Leftovers are factored in, allowing Heatran to reset its stats with Roar (barring a Bug Buzz lowering SpD upon switching in).
- 52 SpA (the remainder of the EVs) has a guaranteed chance to 3HKO and potential 2HKO with Fire Blast without Stealth Rock, which outraces a +1 Volcarona.
- Flash Fire, again, neutralizes Volcarona's most powerful attack, Fire Blast, even in Sunny Weather.
- Roar is used as a means to reset any Quiver Dances that may or may not be in effect.
- Taunt and Stealth Rock for general utility; also happens to do well in the event that Volcarona manages to switch back in after being switched out.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

@ELC

Rule said:
3. No duplicating counters. (Counters using the same Pokemon are allowed but the sets must be explicitly different and not simply the same Pokemon with a different coverage move(s) slashed on).
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The set is different enough that I will allow it, but you stand to receive a maximum of one point. You do have the chance to change your set before deadline, though, if you so desire.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

Keeper of Night said:
@ELC

Rule said:
3. No duplicating counters. (Counters using the same Pokemon are allowed but the sets must be explicitly different and not simply the same Pokemon with a different coverage move(s) slashed on).
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The set is different enough that I will allow it, but you stand to receive a maximum of one point. You do have the chance to change your set before deadline, though, if you so desire.
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Hmm ... after rereading previous entries, I'm guessing that the Volcarona would have been switched in just before the counter was switched in (in other words, Volcarona should be +0)? In that case ... I may have an idea.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 20)

You assume it has a Quiver Dance up. A counter who can't beat it after a QD is a shit counter aka a check at best.
 
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