RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
How can Rayeels be Tier 1.5 when G/A is tier 1?
Sinnoh_Champion_Ernesto said:
How can Rayeels be Tier 1.5 when G/A is tier 1?
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RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
My point is that a deck can't be as high as Tier 1.5 when it nearly autolosses to a Tier 1 deck.
My point is that a deck can't be as high as Tier 1.5 when it nearly autolosses to a Tier 1 deck.
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
With all this N vs. Juniper talk, I love how Bianca and Cheren hasn't even been brought up. Seriously, in the example hand that James gave, Bianca and Cheren are just as good as N. I'd take the N any day over the two, but the other two can still give you 3-4 new cards.
I have a feeling Rayeel will be terrible. Idk, just a feeling. Ideally, you have all of your stuff set up and are hitting for like 180, then you retreat after Dynamotor and swing again, but it seems impossible to get all of that set up, and then have to deal with Catcher and a Night Spear, which literally ruins the entire combo until you Super Rod.
With all this N vs. Juniper talk, I love how Bianca and Cheren hasn't even been brought up. Seriously, in the example hand that James gave, Bianca and Cheren are just as good as N. I'd take the N any day over the two, but the other two can still give you 3-4 new cards.
I have a feeling Rayeel will be terrible. Idk, just a feeling. Ideally, you have all of your stuff set up and are hitting for like 180, then you retreat after Dynamotor and swing again, but it seems impossible to get all of that set up, and then have to deal with Catcher and a Night Spear, which literally ruins the entire combo until you Super Rod.
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I use Cheren in almost everything after the rotation, we were kind of debating about hand refreshers, but I'm glad you brought it up.
I definitely meant 5 different Empoleon Varients -_-' You have to be insane to think I was implying there were that many.
I have mixed feelings about Rayeels. I feel like if it is played as a speed version with with the regular Rayquaza it might do well. I just don't know right now, I haven't done much research on the deck.
I have updated my list of viable decks:
Empoleon Varients
Darkrai Varients
Hydreigon
Zekeels Varients
Terrakion/Mewtwo/Tornadus Varients
Garchomp/Alteria
Durant
I use Cheren in almost everything after the rotation, we were kind of debating about hand refreshers, but I'm glad you brought it up.
I definitely meant 5 different Empoleon Varients -_-' You have to be insane to think I was implying there were that many.
I have mixed feelings about Rayeels. I feel like if it is played as a speed version with with the regular Rayquaza it might do well. I just don't know right now, I haven't done much research on the deck.
I have updated my list of viable decks:
Empoleon Varients
Darkrai Varients
Hydreigon
Zekeels Varients
Terrakion/Mewtwo/Tornadus Varients
Garchomp/Alteria
Durant
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
In what situation would you ever need four stage 2's out at the same time with Empoleon? Also, the words "stage 2 tech" aren't usually used in the same sentence as the words "in an all-basic deck", lol.Martini said:
Where did he say anything about Mewtwo?Martini said:
I use Diving Draw pretty much every turn with that deck... If you're losing games because you discard important cards or can't afford to discard anything, that's more of an issue with playing skill than with Empoleon itself. That's like saying Junk Arm is rarely useful because you have to discard cards.
Leavanny takes up a heck of a lot of space in any deck, and even more in an all-basic deck. It's a huge deck to beat one only semi-popular deck that's definitely not going to be in any winning lists. You have to cut too much important consistency.
google actually didn't play in Autumn Battle Roads this season because he already had the worlds invite. And he used Eelektrik for Spring Battle Roads.
Straight Empoleon, Empoleon/Terrakion, Empoleon/Accelgor, Empoleon/Mew-EX, Empoleon/combination of the previously listed cards. Dollar please.Martini said:
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
It sounds really consistent. Empoleon/Ninetales also sounds really good since normally Empoleon struggles against Accelgor/Gothitelle, since 140 is s magic number for Accelgor, meaning it gets KO'ed going into the Accelgor player's turn.Ninetales lets you KO Accelgors/Mew EX's on the bench.
It sounds really consistent. Empoleon/Ninetales also sounds really good since normally Empoleon struggles against Accelgor/Gothitelle, since 140 is s magic number for Accelgor, meaning it gets KO'ed going into the Accelgor player's turn.Ninetales lets you KO Accelgors/Mew EX's on the bench.
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
There's also Empoleon Donphan.
Celebi23 said:
There's also Empoleon Donphan.
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
Oh, my bad. I was reading you long post and totally forgot the purpose of the thread
Oh, my bad. I was reading you long post and totally forgot the purpose of the thread
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
Empoleon w/Mew EX is also good against Gothitelle, because it ohko's Gothitelle.
You should try a 1-1 or a 2-2 Ninetales tech in Emporose, it gives you an extra catcher that is searchable.
Two more Empoleon varients:
Empoleon/Amoonguss
Empoleon/Aerodactyl
Empoleon w/Mew EX is also good against Gothitelle, because it ohko's Gothitelle.
You should try a 1-1 or a 2-2 Ninetales tech in Emporose, it gives you an extra catcher that is searchable.
Two more Empoleon varients:
Empoleon/Amoonguss
Empoleon/Aerodactyl
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
Never seen so much love for my ol' penguin friend before, thanks for making me happy XD
Man I am ashamed I never really thought about using Empoleon with Roserade or Amoongus or Ninetales... but I tried Empoleon/Aerodactyl (with Terrakion tech) and can confirm ít isn't bad at all, you are normally doing a bunch of damage, my best output was 150.
Something else: Is there already the right partner for Drifblim BW5 or should we wait. I though about using him with Pinsir NDX or Kyurem EX but these two are much to unplayable if your opponent knows what Drifblim does. How about Drifblim/Durant? Durant could be searched out pretty fast with Level Balls and Ultra Balls, and though it isn't as strong on it's own anymore, it could still be disrupting enough to prepare the right damage output for Drifblim... Just a crazy little Idea of mine ^^
Man this would be the most luckreliant deck I've ever seen...
Never seen so much love for my ol' penguin friend before, thanks for making me happy XD
Man I am ashamed I never really thought about using Empoleon with Roserade or Amoongus or Ninetales... but I tried Empoleon/Aerodactyl (with Terrakion tech) and can confirm ít isn't bad at all, you are normally doing a bunch of damage, my best output was 150.
Something else: Is there already the right partner for Drifblim BW5 or should we wait. I though about using him with Pinsir NDX or Kyurem EX but these two are much to unplayable if your opponent knows what Drifblim does. How about Drifblim/Durant? Durant could be searched out pretty fast with Level Balls and Ultra Balls, and though it isn't as strong on it's own anymore, it could still be disrupting enough to prepare the right damage output for Drifblim... Just a crazy little Idea of mine ^^
Man this would be the most luckreliant deck I've ever seen...
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
Drifblim can actually be used in a Hammertime Varient, a Quad deck, or really any deck that usesEnganced Hammer, but fair warning, it is incredibly risky, if you come acrossed an All-Basic Energy deck like most quad decks, and most Darkrai decks. Along with Ho-oh/Beautifly and most ZekEels decks. With an outlook on Drifblim, you need at least 3 discarded Special energy cards to do any decent amount of damage. If Truth was still viable, I suspect Drifblim would be <_< >_> the government conspiracy to cover it up.
Drifblim can actually be used in a Hammertime Varient, a Quad deck, or really any deck that usesEnganced Hammer, but fair warning, it is incredibly risky, if you come acrossed an All-Basic Energy deck like most quad decks, and most Darkrai decks. Along with Ho-oh/Beautifly and most ZekEels decks. With an outlook on Drifblim, you need at least 3 discarded Special energy cards to do any decent amount of damage. If Truth was still viable, I suspect Drifblim would be <_< >_> the government conspiracy to cover it up.
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
Yeah that's exactly what I thought, GarTaria would give it a hard time too, because it is running 4 Blend Energy at max, though in my opinion it doesn't really need them though... Too bad, I love this card so much ^^
Yeah that's exactly what I thought, GarTaria would give it a hard time too, because it is running 4 Blend Energy at max, though in my opinion it doesn't really need them though... Too bad, I love this card so much ^^
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
I'm not too familiar with the Empolean Variants except Donphan. Could someone provide links?
I'm not too familiar with the Empolean Variants except Donphan. Could someone provide links?
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Drifblim is just a Mewtwo counter. Drifblim could never be a real deck, because not every deck runs Special Energy. Your max damage output on my Empoleon deck is 40 damage.
Me being the awesome person I am, will PM you some Empoleon decklists cannonballkuriboh.
Drifblim is just a Mewtwo counter. Drifblim could never be a real deck, because not every deck runs Special Energy. Your max damage output on my Empoleon deck is 40 damage.
Me being the awesome person I am, will PM you some Empoleon decklists cannonballkuriboh.
RE: The Official Black and White-On Metagame Speculation Thread
Drifblim will be kind of like the new "2 card tech." It's not amazing, but it is really good to draw a KO. For example, in Garchomp Altaria. You have around 2-3 prizes remaning and you're on your last Garchomp. You can bench a Drifloon to draw a KO because late game, Drifblim will sweep EXs. That was they have to kill it to avoid field destruction and your Garchomp can grab the last few prizes. You don't even have to run a Drifblim (But you probably should in case people Figure it Out and Ko the Garchomp)
Drifblim will be kind of like the new "2 card tech." It's not amazing, but it is really good to draw a KO. For example, in Garchomp Altaria. You have around 2-3 prizes remaning and you're on your last Garchomp. You can bench a Drifloon to draw a KO because late game, Drifblim will sweep EXs. That was they have to kill it to avoid field destruction and your Garchomp can grab the last few prizes. You don't even have to run a Drifblim (But you probably should in case people Figure it Out and Ko the Garchomp)