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Gaia Volcano (P Groundon EX / Landorus / Hawlucha)

Can any judges give a ruling on whether or not G-Booster goes through the effect of Weakness Policy? If so, that would kind of ruin your stategy.
 
Hi pokedude101,

Weakness is not an effect and weakness policy merely removes the weakness without altering damage per se.
 
Guy, I like this deck, but have some problems in metagame for this deck. U saw Ninetales of primal clash? Abillitie of Ninetales "Each player can't play any Stadium cards from his or her hand". This pokemon can cancel groudon ex. Groudon need 4 energies to attack, is very hard to attack. I think of camerupt ex with magma camerupt than better witch groudon. Opinions of addition to groudon's deck are about Robots. I prefer "lazy game" with groudon. Primal groundon is slow, but don't receive lysandre, so, robots help Groudon to person game. Mr.mime is necessary to cancel sniper atacks like landorus ex. What u think about these opinions?
 
Andy414 said:
Guy, I like this deck, but have some problems in metagame for this deck. U saw Ninetales of primal clash? Abillitie of Ninetales "Each player can't play any Stadium cards from his or her hand". This pokemon can cancel groudon ex. Groudon need 4 energies to attack, is very hard to attack. I think of camerupt ex with magma camerupt than better witch groudon. Opinions of addition to groudon's deck are about Robots. I prefer "lazy game" with groudon. Primal groundon is slow, but don't receive lysandre, so, robots help Groudon to person game. Mr.mime is necessary to cancel sniper atacks like landorus ex. What u think about these opinions?
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Even if people tech Ninetales (and assuming you can't Lysandre it right off the bat), it still isn't hard to climb the damage scale with Groudon. Because he can't be affected by trainers, any Strong Energy, Muscle Bands, etc. you put on him are completely safe. Also, the new supporter, Maxie, lets you put non-basics on the bench. My thought will be to empty my hand in order to use it, and tech a single Machamp for the bonus damage (or more if I see Ninetales a lot). Using Maxie (and also Robo Substitute) means you don't always need Spirit Link either, so the tool slot is more open. This list definitely needs Maxie.
 
If your objective is to start with Landorus FFI to accelerate energy, then I would recommend that you play a single Battle Compressor. A Turn 1 Compressor can immediately get some Fighting Energy into your discard pile, and it is easily searched for with Korrina.
 
Hi Andy414,

Thanks for the review. As FaustVIII stated Nnetales can be Lysandre'd out and ohkoed without the need to use a stadium. He does not have Omega Barrier and can therefore be affected by trainer cards. I do not think that he will be out on the first two turns which should allow Landorus to use Scorching Earth to accelerate to Primal Groundon. Not sure about Robots since you would not be able to accelerate with them and in case there is another Pokémon on the bench that is not Primal Groundon the Robots can be played around. Mr. Mime is a nice idea but I am not sure if he is worth the effort since I assume that Silent Lab will be popular around here.

Hi FaustVIII;

Thanks for the review and the comments to which I tend to agree. I also assume that Primal Groundon should be able to take out Ninetales in time. Not sure on Robots for the reasons outlined above. Maxie sounds like a nice idea but I am not sure whether it will be sufficiently stable. Will need to see if I can find room for a teched one and see how it does.

Hi d_rock37,

Thanks for the review. Sounds like a nice idea which also allows me to with one Scorching Earth for a third Fighting Stadium.
 
Interesting. I planned to start primal clash with P Groudon EX. I tried Primal Groudon EX (JP) with M Manectric EX, it works fine but not that great. Still have the problem on building Groudon EX on bench. Not fast enough. Will try your deck with something switch out on Pre Release this weekend.
 
Dark Espeon said:
Hi Andy414,

Thanks for the review. As FaustVIII stated Nnetales can be Lysandre'd out and ohkoed without the need to use a stadium.
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Guys, still think u put your primal groudon in active and use lysandre to KO ninetales. So, the opponent receive advantage in battle. I think the fast game not work with groudon. Mega aggron can OHKO Groudon, and will be very hard to back with other groundon with 4 or 3 energies. So back to strategy using landorus. I like this deck..but..I see many problems. Maybe work, but I don't agree with argument wich groudon will enter in top decks. Ya, silent lab will be famous, cause stop plasma abillity of genesect ex.
 
Ninetales in Aggron will NOT be a thing. Without it the matchup is even, they can OHKO each other and require the same setup. This deck with Weakness Policy has very few weaknesses, but 2-3 Robo Sub is essential IMO.
 
Faust..Aggron and Groudon have the same setup?? Noo. Aggron can enter in mid game with 2 DCE and to metal links and go to attack. Groundon Can't work this way. Aggron is more playable. Advantage of Groudon is O berrier. This is a big advantage, but have 4 energies to attack. I agree with robots in groudon's deck.
 
Hi Andy414,

I assume that the main argument is that Metal needs both M Aggron Ex and Bronzong out fast which slows them down at first. I cannot speak for Faust but I am not a fan of M Aggron Ex since he is not reliable. Thus far M Aggron Ex decks did not do that well around here since the release of the cards in December. Primal Groundon Ex is more reliable and you can run Scramble Switch to built a second one in case the current active Primal Groundon Ex has not been ohked. I do not think Primal Groundon Ex is tier one but the deck does a lot better than I initially assumed which is more than i can say for the various M Aggron Ex builts I tried and saw thus far. If you know of a real stable and consistent list please let me know since I have three copies of them in the folder and no metal deck that I like thus far.
 
How are you going to do if Groudon is the only pokemon in First hand and your opponent take first to go.
I mean how are you going to get back to your deck concept which build groudon on bench.
 
Hoorgear Pinijudomkarn said:
How are you going to do if Groudon is the only pokemon in First hand and your opponent take first to go.
I mean how are you going to get back to your deck concept which build groudon on bench.
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Korrina for Landorus and Switch :)
 
Dark Espeon said:
Hoorgear Pinijudomkarn said:
How are you going to do if Groudon is the only pokemon in First hand and your opponent take first to go.
I mean how are you going to get back to your deck concept which build groudon on bench.
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Korrina for Landorus and Switch :)
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I see, Korina can save our ass.
 
Hoorgear Pinijudomkarn said:
I see, Korina can save our ass.
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In my opinion Korrina, Fighting Stadium, Strong energy and Omega Barrier are the sole reasons the deck is viable. These cards make the deck real consistent. Include Scramble Switch and let us assume that Primal Groundon Ex is not knocked out in one turn in you have a rather consistent deck.
 
Dark Espeon said:
Hoorgear Pinijudomkarn said:
I see, Korina can save our ass.
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In my opinion Korrina, Fighting Stadium, Strong energy and Omega Barrier are the sole reasons the deck is viable. These cards make the deck real consistent. Include Scramble Switch and let us assume that Primal Groundon Ex is not knocked out in one turn in you have a rather consistent deck.
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I'm thinking of how to counter Safeguard or Pyroar.
Many decks here have them for anti EX.

Thinking of add 2-2 Garbodor or just silent lab since Groudon need to eat stadium anyway and Primal Groudon can knockout Pyroar.

Nothing perfect right?
 
A Lando with Strong energy can take out Safeguard as well, so I think it's covered pretty well. Silent Lab might be a good idea though.
 
FaustVIII said:
A Lando with Strong energy can take out Safeguard as well, so I think it's covered pretty well. Silent Lab might be a good idea though.
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I'm worry about Suicune which can OHKO Lando T_T or pyroar Catcher. These Pokemon make me think have to put Garbodor in.
 
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