Gengar Prime Discussion

How do you think Gengar will fare in the upcoming Metagame? Please post why you chose what you did.

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RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

I can see gengar prime being used with a cursegar tech for a shadow skip and switch to the prime for maybe 2 kos that go to the lost zone, but that is just me.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

i think with the right combo gengar prime will get more powerful but alone it's not good at all. and i heard (i don't know from were?) that the lost link set is doing great in japan. well they play 30 card decks so i might not be as good in a 60 card deck. but with the right cards you can ensure that your opponent will have at least 3 pokemon in hand when doing "plunge into darkness".
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

mime's a waste. hunter gets you a guaranteed pokemon in the lost zone. it'll be a good deck and widely played, but it's far from unbeatable. people will take advantage of the 2x dark weakness.. and in a claydol-less format the deck won't be able to keep up with having 2 or 3 gengars consecutively killed. it's over hyped, but by no means bad.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Gengar will hugely impact the metagame. Japan is only playing with a 4 prize card format and Gengar Prime is ruling. There's something very important that has barely been talked about and that's Mew Prime. Mew Prime is a BASIC and after one turn it can use Gengar Prime's very broken first attack. Hunter makes sure your opponent has a pokemon in their hand. Mr.Mime can check if they have one, and Spiritomb LL can make them draw into one. Start with Mew Prime, and set-up a Gengar Prime on the bench. When you get Gengar Prime out, use it's attack 1 pokemon, in the lost zone. Attach another. 2 pokemon in the lost zone. That's already 3 + the Mew Primes. The meta will be G&G all over. Maybe better maybe worse. But just remember this.

It's BDIF in Japan.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

hipoke said:
Gengar will hugely impact the metagame. Japan is only playing with a 4 prize card format and Gengar Prime is ruling. There's something very important that has barely been talked about and that's Mew Prime. Mew Prime is a BASIC and after one turn it can use Gengar Prime's very broken first attack. Hunter makes sure your opponent has a pokemon in their hand. Mr.Mime can check if they have one, and Spiritomb LL can make them draw into one. Start with Mew Prime, and set-up a Gengar Prime on the bench. When you get Gengar Prime out, use it's attack 1 pokemon, in the lost zone. Attach another. 2 pokemon in the lost zone. That's already 3 + the Mew Primes. The meta will be G&G all over. Maybe better maybe worse. But just remember this.

It's BDIF in Japan.
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Unless of course your opponent dominates your mew first turn, snipes out your haunter second turn, and so on and so forth for the next 4 prizes. Unless you feel like playing 2 different kinds of stadiums and have at least 3 of each in order to be more secure about it not being prized because chances are that if it is prized you will never get it because you probably will never get a kill. Also, like I said before a bannete (discard cards in your hand) can just be teched into any SP deck as a mewtwo/machamp counter that will make gengar utterly useless.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Spritomb Englufing whirlpool.... Hunter.... Banette can't block those things. Sure you dominate my Mew Prime. How hard is it to Collectors for three more? Then PKM rescue for another. You play 4 Lost World, and Azelf. If all 4 are prized you can remember which is which, and taking one prize isn't hard. Two Cursed Droplets knock out Uxie/Azelf. It won't be utterly useless. And haven't I told you? It's BDIF in Japan where they only play with 4 prizes. How can you argue with those results?
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

hipoke said:
Spritomb Englufing whirlpool.... Hunter.... Banette can't block those things. Sure you dominate my Mew Prime. How hard is it to Collectors for three more? Then PKM rescue for another. You play 4 Lost World, and Azelf. If all 4 are prized you can remember which is which, and taking one prize isn't hard. Two Cursed Droplets knock out Uxie/Azelf. It won't be utterly useless. And haven't I told you? It's BDIF in Japan where they only play with 4 prizes. How can you argue with those results?
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Power spray blocks Spiritomb and as for hunter ok you can go right ahead and lost zone the pokemon of my choice. Also, you can't collector and hunter in the same turn so you can set your bench up one turn while I snipe off half your set-up. Two turns to kill an Uxie/Azelf? Really? Gengar wouldn't last that long against most current Meta deck's unless of course you plan on using two Gengar's per Uxie/Azelf in which case you might run out of prizes by the time you kill two.... One last thing, in no way can you compare Japan's metagame to North America's many of the favorite decks are completely different because like you said they only play 4 prizes.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Here's what I want to know from everyone in this thread. Where have any of you seen or heard about Gengar Prime being the top deck in Japan?

Seriously, all I keep hearing is that someone heard that its BDIF and so it must be true. The only thing that I know for sure is that Smeargle is popular over there. As well as Gengar/Vileplume/Spiritomb with its Trainer Lock.

Until I see results that are more than "what a little birdy told me", then I won't be convinced about Gengar Prime or its forth coming domination.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Ok I play in Hong Kong where we sometimes play Japanese format.

Before the rotation the BDIF was not Gengar Prime, although many played it.

The BDIF was Porygon Link. It re-used Hunter using Porygon-2, 4 Uxie and a ball engine to get a Porygon Z with a bunch of TS-TM and 1 DCE in turn 1. The hunters deplete the enemy bench and when the active is killed, they lose.
I used Machamp Prime/Donphan and managed to get 2nd: lost to Porygon Link. Gengar Prime did not do well at all: didn't even get into top 4.
First Gengar Prime has a bad SP matchup whatever you all say. Some people use Omastar in the deck and of course it fails against SP. Dialga G X would completely wall it with Deafen lock. And Gengar isn't likely to take a prize at all. Even without Dialga G X it is not that difficult to take 6 prizes before you lose 6 Pokemon. Mew Prime is so Flash Impact bait, and Gengar can't do a thing to SP who just Healing Breaths away the damage. Judge or Looker's Investigation, coupled with Power Spray could deny Gengar the necessary Stadium to create the win condition.
Second even against non-SP you can beat Gengar Prime if you know how to. Judge and Looker's Investigation his hand away. Remember there is no Claydol and it is difficult to draw into the Stadium. Most decks only run 2 Lost World and if they run more they become early-game dead draw. Remember you never put down Lost World first because it could be covered by BTS. Trainer lock would hurt the deck badly because: it relies on Hunter/Uxie to draw, so either the deck doesn't get to use Supporters, or it has to use more Trainers, which get locked.

Sure, this deck will be T1. But it is in no way OP, or even as strong as Luxchomp. Luxchomp is so much more versatile...
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

petertclo, I assume that DP-CatS format still active in Japan?

Man, Porygon2 + Hunter? Just really nasty. But how did Luxchomp beat trainer lock based decks? You mean by running Yuta Komatsuda's decklist (features Dialga G Lv.X and Warp Energies)?

Anyways, Is there is other really good, well promising decks?
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

petertclo said:
The BDIF was Porygon Link. It re-used Hunter using Porygon-2, 4 Uxie and a ball engine to get a Porygon Z with a bunch of TS-TM and 1 DCE in turn 1. The hunters deplete the enemy bench and when the active is killed, they lose.
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petertclo, what is a ball engine?
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

^A ball engine would be usually:

4 Quick Balls
4 Pokemon Communication
4 Dusk Balls
1 Luxury Balls

Something along the lines....
 
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Mew Jadester said:
^A ball engine would be usually:

4 Quick Balls
4 Pokemon Communication
4 Dusk Balls
1 Luxury Balls

Something along the lines...
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Oh okay thanks Mew Jadester.
PS: I think you mean 1 Luxury ball not 1 Luxury Balls.:p
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

4 Poke Drawer+
4 Pokedex Handy
2? Victory Medal
1 Mysterious Medal (Super rare, it's a Japanese official's promo card that allows you to look at your prizes and substitute this card for any card there)
4 Dual Ball

I'm not sure what else but either way it's super fast with reusable Hunter.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

^I see, trainer. The card you speaks of is Mysterious Pearl.

By the way, do you have any more information about Japanese metagame?

Thanks. ;)
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

^ not necessarily. Send an important card to the lost zone (luxray gl lv. x) will still destroy a lot of decks.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Ok I play in Hong Kong where we sometimes play Japanese format.

Before the rotation the BDIF was not Gengar Prime, although many played it.

The BDIF was Porygon Link. It re-used Hunter using Porygon-2, 4 Uxie and a ball engine to get a Porygon Z with a bunch of TS-TM and 1 DCE in turn 1. The hunters deplete the enemy bench and when the active is killed, they lose.
I used Machamp Prime/Donphan and managed to get 2nd: lost to Porygon Link. Gengar Prime did not do well at all: didn't even get into top 4.
First Gengar Prime has a bad SP matchup whatever you all say. Some people use Omastar in the deck and of course it fails against SP. Dialga G X would completely wall it with Deafen lock. And Gengar isn't likely to take a prize at all. Even without Dialga G X it is not that difficult to take 6 prizes before you lose 6 Pokemon. Mew Prime is so Flash Impact bait, and Gengar can't do a thing to SP who just Healing Breaths away the damage. Judge or Looker's Investigation, coupled with Power Spray could deny Gengar the necessary Stadium to create the win condition.
Second even against non-SP you can beat Gengar Prime if you know how to. Judge and Looker's Investigation his hand away. Remember there is no Claydol and it is difficult to draw into the Stadium. Most decks only run 2 Lost World and if they run more they become early-game dead draw. Remember you never put down Lost World first because it could be covered by BTS. Trainer lock would hurt the deck badly because: it relies on Hunter/Uxie to draw, so either the deck doesn't get to use Supporters, or it has to use more Trainers, which get locked.

Sure, this deck will be T1. But it is in no way OP, or even as strong as Luxchomp. Luxchomp is so much more versatile...
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Why does Hong Kong have Japanese meta? Doesn't make sense to me. Most Luxchomp don't run stadiums. You say most decks only run 2 Lost World. If this was ever a problem I would run more. And when I see Luxchomp (which is ever so obvious) I would play down the Lost World, because of no fear of BTS. It is not hard to draw into it without Claydol. Have you ever played a deck with BTS? 3 BTS and it can be easily gotten. 4 and it becomes dead draws. Same with Lost World. Omastar indeed would be useless against Luxchomp, and I prefer Palkia G LV.X tech. And with the tight use of Hunters, I'm considering using 1-1-1 Vileplume tech, to lock down as much as I can. If I feel like using Powers keep Vileplume down. When I want to use Trainers hunter it back up. How is it easy to take six prizes first? Each Mew Prime gets one into the Lost Zone. Gengar Prime gets two, because you can't knock it out. Palkia G LV.X gets 2 more. That means it can easily get 6 because Luxchomp is only getting 1 per turn.
One thing you are right about though, is that Deafen lock would be a very bad case against Gengar.
 
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EspeonROX said:
Look. It's got the ability to stall with Spiritomb PA and abuse Hunter's effect. (Absol G LV.X might make a good partner, but it's kinda flippy.) 130 HP is massive, and with a ground-breaking first attack, we don't know what to expect. It's a good card. It'll see play for sure.
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I definitely agree with that, it is a useful card and paired up with Lost World makes it a winner, but don't know how long it will stay with other -more faster- decks around, needs more speed.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Well i think it will be used a bit they may not bring lost world to to north america and europe but even know they dont come out with lost world i think you will see it used i will be useing it.
 
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Because for many years our tournaments was Japanese cards (unofficial) because the Hong Kong dealer was lazy and Japanese cards came out earlier. Then the new dealer came in and started the official tourneys...

The reason why only 2 Lost World is because you rather draw into BTS early on. You can wait for Lost World.

And I cannot see how Gengar Prime can reliably Lost Zone a Pokemon every turn. Remember you only have 4 Hunter and if you keep using Hunter you won't be able to use other Supporters. Even considering VS Seeker it's not easy to pull off consistently. Now that there isn't Claydol...
 
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