Gengar Prime Discussion

How do you think Gengar will fare in the upcoming Metagame? Please post why you chose what you did.

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RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Gengar Prime can't reliably put a pokemon in the lost zone each turn. You're right about that, but when the time comes, you might be able to pull off 2, and Palkia G LV.X gets another 2, which compensates for the misses. Spiritomb LL is a searchable "make your opponent draw into a pokemon" card. While Mr.Mime can be a "See if your opponent has pokemon in your hand" card. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it won't be BDIF, but it'll at least be as good as Luxchomp.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

I am skeptical about Gengar Prime being very good too. I mean, Spiritomb starts are going to be more prominent, and Gengar pretty much needs the trainers. Dialga G Lv. X can shut down the body and if you are going to talk about the Level Down Power, Power Spray works. What if the opponent drops Mesprit? How are you going to Level Down Dialga then? I honestly think Gengar is not going to do as well as some people think.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Have you read parts of this thread? I mean, I don't want to be mean or anything, but people have repeated this several times. THE POKEBODY IS NOT USEFUL AT ALL. The first attack is what you want. With Hunter you have a guranteed one pokemon in the Lost Zone. And Gengar Prime welcomes Spiritomb starts, because Mew Prime can easily get a few pokemon in the lost zone while you're just setting up. Mew Prime is extremely easy to recover (Pokemon Rescue) and because it's just a basic, it's a lot easier to get out. If you play a deck where you don't start attack early game, you might already have too many pokemon in your lost zone for you to come back. At least petertcolo is fighting with valid reasons.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

I dont know how good it will be, but it is doing extremely well in Japan, and they only play with 4 prizes (I think). If they can get 6 pokemon in the lost zone before they draw 4 prizes, think how well it'll work when they have to draw 6 prizes.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

From just a looking standpoint I say it is ok. It has a lot of potential but it lacks damage so for it's effect to work you have to rely on his first skill with a hunter or use a pokemon like shuppet or dunsparce and use fade out to get a knockout and replace them with Gengar Prime after. That's just about it.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

As for the Palkia G Lv. X - I don't think it will be included in the deck until after Luxray GL Lv. X is gone because all a player that uses Luxray would have to do to obliterate your Palkia is Level-up Luxray and attack once.

And as for the Gengar - the more I think about it the more I am actually starting to like the idea (I am actually thinking of dropping my Luxchomp for a build like this) because it adds more variety to the meta and can be a Meta deck with tons of variations, such as the build I am thinking of being a Gengar lock deck (don't know if this was already thought of, but it would be essentially an instant win vs. most stage 2 decks and do VERY well against SP). Though I do still think that you will probably only want to run x2 Mew Primes at most (too easy a prize for all decks) and that Gengar's Body and damaging attack are worthless.

P.S. anybody know why I can't auto quote people by replying?
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

With Palkia G in a deck, you'll probably use Power Spray when they try to Bright look you...
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

....you will never have 3 SP's in play to use Power spray....

Also... I just thought about something with the level-down power on Gengar Lv. X.... Wouldn't your opponent like it if you did that? As generally I find I have left over search cards by the time all my Lv. X's are set-up and since most Lv. X's currently seeing use are in SP decks and are generally accompanied with broken Poke-Powers that your opponent would then get to reuse the next turn rather than have to use Poketurn to pick up both cards and wait a turn after replaying the basic.

P.S. Sorry if this was a bit ranty I worked too long today XD.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

If the Gengar player has a Vileplume UD on the bench then those search cards better be a Bebe's Search.

Gengar Prime will have an impact. But it will lose terribly to a lone Tyranitar.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

I'm going to be right out honest here.

Gengar prime will NOT be good.

One of the hottest decks right now will be Dialga/Chomp. Without their body, it gets rolled. Plain and simple.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Wouldn't a stage 2 deck with Gengar already be too slow to dare putting a stage 2 tech in there just to screw around with things more?

Mr. 619 - We have said it many times in this thread Gengar's Pokebody is not being used at all because nothing in a Lostgar deck ever really KO's a pokemon, so the only thing Dialga will screw with is Mew Prime and I don't see that getting nearly as much play as Gengar Prime (Aside from being a Machamp tech by sending Machamp to the Lost Zone and using his take-out to destroy SP... huh I just thought of a new idea =D)
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

I think that Gengar Prime will be a feared card but, you could just tech in a Mew Prime in your deck and use his ability to use the attack of the card he sent to the lost zone.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Not if you don't have the required energy.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Gengar Prime will have it's uses. If we get Lost World, game over. Gengar Prime combo's so well with that, it is crazy. But Gengar is still a Stage 2, so the slowness factor is an issue. But with Spiritomb/Vileplume lock, that can hinder you're opponent from setting up before you. Darkness Grace allows easy set-up for Gengar as well. Mew Prime combo's well, so I think Gengar will have an impact. Maybe not as much as people think, but he will have one.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

why cant u use the 1 energy ull have on it already?
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

You can, but if you weren't the one that sent the Gengar Prime to the Lost Zone in the first place then you don't necessarily have any energy attached to it or the correct energy in your deck.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Ok.

I actually agree that Gengar Prime will be a tier 1 deck. While I said the lost zone combo might not work every time it does work quite a lot of the time too, especially if you aren't experienced in fighting the deck. Dialga based SP decks would roll over it because of Deafen, and SP decks in general may be able to lock Gengar up. Remember even if you have 10 pokemon in the lost zone, so long as the Lost World stadium is not around you have nothing to fear.

Tyranitar screws up Gengar as well.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

For me I have mixed feelings. You need a lot of turns to win, more than most decks that require only one energy to attack. One problem is no damage. While you Lost Zone their Pokemon, you're forgetting they will keep coming at you. By the time you've sent 2 or 3 Pokemon into the lost zone, they will have killed Gengar, meaning you have to set up another. Remember the saying "A good offense is the best Defense"? Well Gengar hardly has any offense at all. If it did damage while sending a Pokemon, it'd be better, but damage is the best shield vs. decks like Gyarados.

On the flip side, I actually disagree that SP decks will lock down Gengar. Most SPs have a full bench 80% of the time, the extra 20% being early game or when you KO a Pokemon or Lost Cyclone, etc. Why does this matter? Hand Clogging. You can easily take advantage of this.

On the topic of SPs, most people without 140 dollars with a Luxray GL X in their hand ready to use will autoloss. Even if they have 2-2 Luxray GL X, you've already killed one, meaning the next will be an easy kill.

Another thing that I believe was overlooked is hand disruption. People have been hyping about Houndoom UD, which makes your opponent discard a card from their hand. This is bigger. You not only Lost Zone a card from their hand, but you get to choose it. Too bad it's only Pokemon, but still, it counts as hand disruption.

If that was too much to read, this is the important bit. Overall, the problems with Gengar Prime will be consistency and defense. Other than that, Gengar Prime will be good. It needs another attacker, like how Japan has been playing, Mew Prime works.
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

I would play this gengar as a tech say they just poketurn up their Luxray GL lvl X he play luxray back down but not the x gengar that luxray into the lost zone. i dont think we will get anything that takes pokemon out of the lost zone( i can only hope we do).
 
RE: How much impact will Gengar Prime ACTUALLY have?

Mr. Ferrari - Stage 2 tech's are always a bit iffy though, especially since it will just be your opponents main target the second you put down the gastly (as I doubt you have a BTS unless you are running a Stage 2 deck already). So, I think Gengar will be more the main focus of the deck rather than a tech.

Petertclo - If you sit there and deafen for 3 turns you will likely have nothing left on your bench... (First turn = Cursed Droplets, Second and Third turns = Compound Pain. Total = 70 damage on 4 or 90 on 2 + Level down each turn = at least 2 knockouts.) So, as your opponent I would love if you sat there and locked yourself up while I completely destroy your bench and send them to the lost zone as well since I would have leveled down your Dialga G Lv. X. So, while I think against SP decks it will be a more even fight seeing as how SP decks are so quick to set-up, if they do not make the right kills early on, then they will lose (have tested a Luxchomp deck against a GengarPrime Lock deck). But, as for locking it up.... how? Most things in SP decks have no locking ability at all (save Dialga G) and most things in a Gengar Prime deck have 0 to 1 retreat cost. Sorry for the rant XD.

In closing I say that Gengar Prime will be a competitive Tier 1 deck this rotation, however it will probably be the second ranked deck until Luxchomp and its SP kin die off with the lose of Platnium (whenever that will be).
 
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