Important Forum Changes

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Lenny said:
You're assuming things are going to be the way they are. You cannot know how this will affect everything. The staff has decided to implement this new idea with hopes in mind that it will change things. You keep saying "it's not going to work". Well how do you know that?

What we are going to lose is members who only come here for the Game Corner. We don't need them. They don't contribute anything to our community and we're in a position where we want to increase PokeBeach's reputation. Not bring it to the top, but we want to show the other communities that, hey, we're not just a bunch of 10-13 year olds who like to play games. We actually know what we're doing.

The purpose is simple. The Game Corner is very distracting to members, even those that play TCG. With a much smaller focus on Game Corner, the, for lack of a better word, "useless" members will be "driven out", and the ones who stay help the community evolve into what it needs to be. It is a Pokemon Forum, but people are coming here and pretending it's a Games Forum. If the sole reason you come here is for the Game Corner, you SHOULD NOT BE HERE. If you like the people here and have made bonds with them, talk with them personally and enjoy friendship. You do not need a forum to talk with your friends. There are plenty of instant messaging and other programs available to stay in touch.

While the Game Corner had a lot of activity and people say it's the reason PokeBeach is so active, that's the BAD THING. We don't want people coming to the forums because they heard how much fun they can have spamming the Game Corner. We want people to come to our community so that they can become better at the TCG and VG. We are a Pokemon forum, but many members seem to forget that. We are trying to evolve into something better than our current selves, and members like you are only going to hold us back.

Quick question though, you're not particularly invested in Competitive VG and TCG, so what's left of you posting here? I'm not implying that you leave either since you're one of my closest friends in beach. (unless you will reinvest in the extremely dying VG here)
 
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Hey guys, what's our slogan? It's not Relax! Strategize! Post! etc etc

It's
"The Homely Forum For Every Pokemon Fan"

Last time I checked, everyone who posts in the Game Corner is a Pokemon fan. And by the looks of it, taking away a forum that "Pokemon Fans" like, is not a thing for a Homely Forum to do

Just saying.
 
Just wanted to say, I switched to Pokebeach from Pokegym because of the game corner and RPGs... Pokegym has a better trading section and deck help, and getting rid of the main reason a lot of people switch isnt going to improve Pokebeach's odds of catching up...
 
As one who posts in Games a lot, even I agree with the changes. A while back I wanted to get rid of a bunch of the spam games. I didn't come to this site for games. I came mainly because of my interest in the TCG. A while after joining I got involved in competitive battling and am now active there also. A person should be joining the forum to contribute to the forum's focus, which is Pokemon in this case.
 
Homely forum for every pokemon fan. Pokemon fans involve talking about Pokemon. Homely in the sense that we are kind and discuss topics friendly. For the fans who like to play mindless games that happen to involve pokemon, we are not the site to do that in.

WE WILL STILL HAVE GAMES, JUST ONLY THE GOOD + INTELLIGENT ONES
 
Zero said:
Homely forum for every pokemon fan. Pokemon fans involve talking about Pokemon. Homely in the sense that we are kind and discuss topics friendly. For the fans who like to play mindless games that happen to involve pokemon, we are not the site to do that in.

WE WILL STILL HAVE GAMES, JUST ONLY THE GOOD + INTELLIGENT ONES

Why does being a fan of pokemon neccesarily mean talking about it?

And question for you, what makes a game intelligent and good? Good is a personal opinion. Quite frankly, I find every game in the Game Corner "good". What have you to say about that?
 
Games that allow you to post one word answers or reply without anything thinking (ie The Ban Game) are not intelligent games. No thought goes into the post.
 
No, no they do not. Nor do I promote these games existing. But the Forum Games and More is not compromised of just The Ban Game and Count To 50
 
Zero said:
Homely forum for every pokemon fan. Pokemon fans involve talking about Pokemon. Homely in the sense that we are kind and discuss topics friendly. For the fans who like to play mindless games that happen to involve pokemon, we are not the site to do that in.

In fact I think this is JUST the site to do that in. We have for years, and apparently(as you even pointed out in you below statement) we will still be playing mindless games that "happen" to invlolve pokemon. :)

WE WILL STILL HAVE GAMES, JUST ONLY THE GOOD + INTELLIGENT ONES

We know this. We are just defending what we like to do. I have no problem with deleting the "bad" RPG's. I already stated that. The fact that you "uneducated on RPG" members are making what we do look stupid is what upsets us. We don't poke holes in your ability to play pokemon VG and TCG, in fact I LOVE to do both of those.

Made a few edits bro.
 
dragonexpert said:
As one who posts in Games a lot, even I agree with the changes. A while back I wanted to get rid of a bunch of the spam games. I didn't come to this site for games. I came mainly because of my interest in the TCG. A while after joining I got involved in competitive battling and am now active there also. A person should be joining the forum to contribute to the forum's focus, which is Pokemon in this case.

Exactly. I enjoyed playing the games time to time myself. But I didn't come here for that. There are plenty of games on the internet. PokeBeach is PokeBeach not because of games, but because of Pokemon. Coming to a Pokemon forum only for forum games is pretty silly.
 
FlamingDriscoll09 said:
There already IS a lot of TCG and VG stuff, so why would they be adding even more? It just makes sense that they're replacing the game corner with something better.

It's not competitive enough. PB is usually referred to as a news site with a very weak competitive VG and TCG base (well VG was strong until everybody left). They are just trying to change that after multiple failed strat programs. I don't really like the Forum Games going away but the reassurance that RPGs will stay means my effort won't be wasted.

It will take a lot of effort to revive the TCG due to the failed Strat programs and "Bela's Cronies" of the past but I do appreciate the effort.
 
Darkvoid57 said:
@Lenny

I'd like to first say that I in no way disagree with what's going to happen. Not at all. But the majority of others disagree, and no one's standing up for that majority, so I feel I have to do it.

Lets put it this way.

We are a forum that is known for the "Spam Corner" as someone else called it, correct?

By taking the "Spam Corner" away, what do we hope to accomplish?

That our members will get better at the game because we get rid of a forum? That's entirely unrealistic.

As you say, we're trying to increase our reputation. So by seeing that everyone wants to keep a forum, ignoring them and continueing to proceed with it and take away the forum, that's gonna boost our reputation. Quite frankly, I disagree.

The majority of members want to keep these threads. (Not to bash on S-mods, because I still agree with what you're doing) The S-mods are doing is in their best interest for the site and it's members, when the majority of the members want the exact opposite of what they're doing. Is this the image we're trying to achieve? One where the S-mods are going to do what they want to do when the members of the site oppose it just because they have the power to do it?

There's something obviously wrong in the way communication is made between the members and the higher-ups. Instead of doing what we're planning on doing, how bout we improve what we're already doing wrong which we know will change this site for the better? Fixing the communication and impact on decision making members have with the higher-ups is the first step to changing anything on this site for the better.

By "driving out the useless members", you're saying that:

A) Members who only post in the Forum Games and More are useless
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B)Getting rid of them will make this site better

I thought Pokebeach was a friendly community, not some kind of Team or Clan that only has members who are good, or actually post. I guess I was wrong.

Maybe the "Pokebeach" that Pokebeach has to be is one where it only contains members who post in forums about Pokemon or provide discussion.

We're a community, we're a website, and most importantly, we're a forum. And we should be a forum that allows any member to join (Excluding bots and the like), good at TCG/VG or not, because again, we're a Forum, not a Clan.

Ok, here we go. The initial reason PokeBeach was made was to have a focus on helping with TCG, which then evolved to helping with VG once that came out. Along the way, we lost our purpose. We are trying to get back on track with that purpose.

The new image we are trying to get for PokeBeach is OF COURSE going to conflict with the members. OF COURSE some of the members are going to disagree with this. We are trying to increase our reputation among the Pokemon communities. Our new image will conflict with our current image because they are different. We are trying to become a more professional group of players with the main purpose of TCG and VG POKEMON.

The higher-ups are the ones who decide because they're the one who want their forums to be the way they are. The current members will be opposed to any change that conflicts with theirs. This isn't a democracy where everybody has a say in things. This is an oligarchy, where a few elite rule. They make the decisions based on how they want their forum to be like. And if they want their forum to be more professional, then they need to make decisions. That doesn't mean they can't take the member's ideas into account, but in this case, they feel the Game Corner is detracting from the forum's views.

When I said driving out the useless members, I meant the ones that ONLY come here for the Game Corner. Not the ones that are invested in both.

Once again, PokeBeach is trying to change it's image. While they may conflict with the feelings of some members here, we are trying to attract a bigger community more fixated on our purpose: Pokemon TCG and VG. We accept any member and we're not forcing anybody to come here, nor are we forcing anybody to play the TCG and VG. But we are trying to work towards our purpose: become a professional TCG and VG website. Maybe once we've reached this goal, we'll bring the Game Corner back. Lots of the Game Corner is spam, and it's making us look bad as a forum. I know it's hard for some people to come to this realization that they're not contributing to the forum, but that's what this forum needs right now. Contribution.

@Ice_Master:

Thanks for not doing any research at all buddy. I was very active in the VG forum during the summer. I tried helping TDL come up with discussion ideas, and I posted in a lot of them, too. I even posted on RMTs and helped. I'm sorry I have school now and can't post on it as much as I wish to. But if you looked back a little, you would have seen things.

As for your RPGs comment, I was simply bringing up a point brought up by someone earlier. He said he met a lot of his friends through RPGs. I was simply saying he doesn't need the RPGs to continue his friendship with these people. I know exactly how RPGs work. My post might not have clarified the point I was trying to make, but I hope you understand now. Game Corner does not go towards post count, but it does go towards the forum's image. And it's purpose as a whole.

Once again, I am not targeting you specifically. You're one of the many people who may very well contribute to the forum as well as play in the game corner. But there are probably twice as many people like you who do not.

@Riskbreakers:

Like I told Ice_Master, I was dedicated to the VG over the summer and tried to increase activity by taking part. The school year came around and I had work to do. I simply have not had as much time to invest in it.

That's all I've got to say really. I think I've said everything I could and I'm trying to explain where I'm coming from with these viewpoints.
 
RPGs are pointless. Go play a video game instead. What does hurt me is the loss of mafia, mushroom mayhem, duck hunt that I enjoyed. That's the only reason I still visit this forum.
 
@Lenny

I'm terribly sorry if I made you feel like you didn't contribute to VG or TCG. It was not my intesion at all, I can tell form your post count that you actually do ALOT on the forums. I just wanted to point out that we can do BOTH of these. Actually i've helped alot of people wo came from the Game Corner learn how to play VG via PO. I've been involved in RPG's that actually required VG knowledge to participate in. What im trying to do is defend RPG's, Not put down TCG'ers and VGC'ers like some of you are trying to do to us.
 
Azelf Master said:
RPGs are pointless. Go play a video game instead. What does hurt me is the loss of mafia, mushroom mayhem, duck hunt that I enjoyed. That's the only reason I still visit this forum.

Some games (including those bolded) may be kept. All 3 are somewhat similar to WW, so I think they will remain (hopefully).
 
Azelf Master said:
RPGs are pointless. Go play a video game instead. What does hurt me is the loss of mafia, mushroom mayhem, duck hunt that I enjoyed. That's the only reason I still visit this forum.

There's still Werewolf. I actually do want the idea of keeping a werewolf-knockoff alive as well though.
 
Look, if the only reason you come here is to play forum games, then I seriously think you need to learn what a forum is. It's not a place to play text-based games or pretend you're something that you're not. If you want that, start spending time with your family and play monopoly or something, or buy a copy of Mass Effect 2 or Fallout (3 or New Vegas, both are good).
 
If you want to do something like the Ban Game or Role Playing, that is what instant messengers are for. Darkvoid57 and I "ban" each other a lot of times on Skype.
 
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