As someone as intelligent as you are, I'm sure you can find a way to contact your local representative, no?Card Slinger J said:
Internet Piracy
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Well since my stepdad works directly with the U.S. Government where he ships prisoners from different countries around the world, I already notified him of this so I believe that he already contacted my local U.S. Representative by now. I also already notified some other friends of mine about this as well, the only thing we can do is spread the word and hopefully something will be done.
You do realize that you're in favor of the U.S. Government blacklisting websites like this one right? The SOPA bill is so broad and so vague that IT WILL CRIPPLE THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE INTERNET! You're one of those fools that wants society to be the way it was in the 80's and 90's, back when we didn't have Internet. Back where we were limited to what content we could watch via Television and now with the Internet already in place we can choose what we want to listen to and watch.
Did you know that any website that has foreign servers that you can already now use has the potential to be blacklisted from the U.S. Government If SOPA passes? Serebii.net's server is from the U.K. and according to the Government we can't have Americans surfing through websites with British Servers now do we? What about Website Servers from other countries like Japan where WPM gets some of his Pokemon info from, the U.S. Government would be able to blacklist those sites as well.
With the way SOPA is watered down, EVERY WEBSITE THAT EVERY AMERICAN IS ALREADY ABLE TO USE WILL BE REGION LOCKED. The Pokemon franchise would die in the U.S. If the Government gets their way with SOPA and much more, this also effects the Video Game Industry in the way they distribute content for their games. People won't be able to know what game is good or not cause those sites would probably already be blacklisted by the Government. So instead that helps the Video Game Magazine Industry where we waste more ink and paper with content that tells us what's good and what's bad, not saying that the Magazine Industry is bad but hopefully you know what I mean.
The next House Judiciary Committee vote on SOPA will be held next Wednesday on December 21st, they aren't going to wait after the Holidays they want this thing passed pronto. That still gives us time to petition against this bill, of course Zyflair is in favor of wanting PokeBeach to get shutdown by the Government because WPM is using content from Japanese Servers to get info that we need to know about the Pokemon Universe. So yeah like I said If SOPA passes then you can kiss Pokemon and everything you love about the Internet goodbye.
Zyflair said:
You do realize that you're in favor of the U.S. Government blacklisting websites like this one right? The SOPA bill is so broad and so vague that IT WILL CRIPPLE THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE INTERNET! You're one of those fools that wants society to be the way it was in the 80's and 90's, back when we didn't have Internet. Back where we were limited to what content we could watch via Television and now with the Internet already in place we can choose what we want to listen to and watch.
Did you know that any website that has foreign servers that you can already now use has the potential to be blacklisted from the U.S. Government If SOPA passes? Serebii.net's server is from the U.K. and according to the Government we can't have Americans surfing through websites with British Servers now do we? What about Website Servers from other countries like Japan where WPM gets some of his Pokemon info from, the U.S. Government would be able to blacklist those sites as well.
With the way SOPA is watered down, EVERY WEBSITE THAT EVERY AMERICAN IS ALREADY ABLE TO USE WILL BE REGION LOCKED. The Pokemon franchise would die in the U.S. If the Government gets their way with SOPA and much more, this also effects the Video Game Industry in the way they distribute content for their games. People won't be able to know what game is good or not cause those sites would probably already be blacklisted by the Government. So instead that helps the Video Game Magazine Industry where we waste more ink and paper with content that tells us what's good and what's bad, not saying that the Magazine Industry is bad but hopefully you know what I mean.
The next House Judiciary Committee vote on SOPA will be held next Wednesday on December 21st, they aren't going to wait after the Holidays they want this thing passed pronto. That still gives us time to petition against this bill, of course Zyflair is in favor of wanting PokeBeach to get shutdown by the Government because WPM is using content from Japanese Servers to get info that we need to know about the Pokemon Universe. So yeah like I said If SOPA passes then you can kiss Pokemon and everything you love about the Internet goodbye.
Zyfflair: Do you want the Internet to Sink or Swim? Take your pick. I hope you choose Swim because if you choose sink we are all screwed man. You better think before you post because right now if we go your plan no one will be able to live their lives. Think about it.
By the way, here's what Wikipedia says about SOPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
Card Slinger J, I went ahead and read Wikipedia, and NOTHING in the bill mentions the ability to simply blacklist any foreign site they feel like.
So I decided not to bother reading as I was completely sure the rest of your post has any proof. Besides your argument is a mess. First you complain about First Amendment being threatened by this bill, and when I countered that idea, you stop mentioning it. Now you start spouting about the bill region-locking the internet for Americans. If you're at least going to try to convince me to be against it all in the first place, then at least be a bit more consistent.
You really can't convince me anyway; I was against Project-IP and SOPA to begin with. I was simply trying to see if you had some sort of solid reason why you're panicking over this. Most industries that hold Copyrights have their own legal branches at their disposal already, so why the need for extra "help"? The government's wasting its time trying to get a grip on the internet. Chances are, like most policies, the execution would be terrible anyhow.
So I decided not to bother reading as I was completely sure the rest of your post has any proof. Besides your argument is a mess. First you complain about First Amendment being threatened by this bill, and when I countered that idea, you stop mentioning it. Now you start spouting about the bill region-locking the internet for Americans. If you're at least going to try to convince me to be against it all in the first place, then at least be a bit more consistent.
You really can't convince me anyway; I was against Project-IP and SOPA to begin with. I was simply trying to see if you had some sort of solid reason why you're panicking over this. Most industries that hold Copyrights have their own legal branches at their disposal already, so why the need for extra "help"? The government's wasting its time trying to get a grip on the internet. Chances are, like most policies, the execution would be terrible anyhow.
You guys know Spoony from the website Spoonyexperiment.com right that's affiliated with ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com? Well he recently wrote a letter to Arizona Republican Senator John McCain who as you know ran for U.S. President against Barack Obama back in 2008. Here's what he replied back to him:
Just for the record, about PROTECT IP which is a similiar bill to SOPA was put on hold by Democratic Senator from Oregon Ron Wyden. It hasn't been signed into law at least not at the time I'm posting this comment. So in other words I take it that John McCain is Anti-Net Neutrality? Now here's a Senator who actually gives a crap about why SOPA is bad:
So what did we learn boys and girls? Republicans are against Net Neutrality while Democrats are in favor of it. Republicans favor Small Government while Democrats favor Big Government. It's a messed up country we live in, still surprises me why I haven't quit my job yet and moved to Canada seeing as how it's looking like a better country to live in right about now. >_>
So you're basically telling xxashxx that you'd rather sink than swim right?
John McCain said:
Just for the record, about PROTECT IP which is a similiar bill to SOPA was put on hold by Democratic Senator from Oregon Ron Wyden. It hasn't been signed into law at least not at the time I'm posting this comment. So in other words I take it that John McCain is Anti-Net Neutrality? Now here's a Senator who actually gives a crap about why SOPA is bad:
Maria Cantwell said:
So what did we learn boys and girls? Republicans are against Net Neutrality while Democrats are in favor of it. Republicans favor Small Government while Democrats favor Big Government. It's a messed up country we live in, still surprises me why I haven't quit my job yet and moved to Canada seeing as how it's looking like a better country to live in right about now. >_>
Zyflair said:
So you're basically telling xxashxx that you'd rather sink than swim right?
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Incinermyn
Just because SOPA may pass, that doesn't mean that it will be well enforced. Fact of the matter is that it's going to take time to weed through every single website that could possibly be charged with copyright infringement and, even more so, the ones that are actually guilty of piracy. Furthermore, it's up to the courts to determine whether or not a website is guilty of piracy, not to mention companies actually have to file lawsuits against individuals before a website can be shutdown. ..at least that's the gist of what I got reading through the Wikipedia entry...
Hate to say it, but just because something like this goes into effect, that doesn't mean that it will have the severe Internet-crippling results that you claim it will. It actually takes more effort and time to enforce this stuff than you may think, and while some things may shutdown, that doesn't mean the whole Internet will.
Hate to say it, but just because something like this goes into effect, that doesn't mean that it will have the severe Internet-crippling results that you claim it will. It actually takes more effort and time to enforce this stuff than you may think, and while some things may shutdown, that doesn't mean the whole Internet will.
Well this website is guilty of Internet Piracy cause of how Water Pokemon Master gets his info and scans from Japan to offer us news on the Pokemon franchise, and Serebii.net does the same thing (in a way) not to mention their Internet Server is located in the UK. Which means that I won't be able to post on there anymore, it doesn't matter how you sugarcoat SOPA and Protect IP, it's still really bad.
Yes it will take a long time to "weed out" the websites that are guilty of the charges this bill proposes. But in the long run it will still have devastating consequences towards innovation and free speech on the web. Countless YouTube Accounts could be blacklisted or shutdown without a second thought, the Government could probably get away with not having a court hearing for every website they shutdown or blacklist.
People who run their own websites like this one still pay the Government money to keep it running but $58 Million in Annual losses in the U.S. Economy because of Internet Piracy is pretty bad. I hate to go back to square one as much as the next person but it seems to me that maybe the Internet is a double-edged sword to the overall Economy and Business world. It's bad enough that our Government is dysfunctional but it's even worse when you have one party that is pro-net neutrality and the other anti-net neutrality yet despite that Republicans are anti-net neutrality it seems that people under the Bush Administration were in favor of the Internet.
I mean Republicans use the Internet for their own enjoyment and purposes like everyone else yet they are Pro-Protect IP and SOPA and it seems like they are hypocritical about it and seem to flip-flop on the issue when the Democrats are more in tune with the issue themselves. Ron Paul is the only Republican I know that is pro-net neutrality in which he is against the Protect IP and SOPA bills cause it really does cause ALOT of problems with the Internet, it really does. I do think it's a dirty trick on the Politicians to try to get this passed through Congress during the Holidays, thinking that everyone would be too distracted for their Christmas and New Year's Eve plans well let me tell you something we shouldn't get distracted from the important issues at hand well mainly regarding Protect IP and SOPA.
Yes it will take a long time to "weed out" the websites that are guilty of the charges this bill proposes. But in the long run it will still have devastating consequences towards innovation and free speech on the web. Countless YouTube Accounts could be blacklisted or shutdown without a second thought, the Government could probably get away with not having a court hearing for every website they shutdown or blacklist.
People who run their own websites like this one still pay the Government money to keep it running but $58 Million in Annual losses in the U.S. Economy because of Internet Piracy is pretty bad. I hate to go back to square one as much as the next person but it seems to me that maybe the Internet is a double-edged sword to the overall Economy and Business world. It's bad enough that our Government is dysfunctional but it's even worse when you have one party that is pro-net neutrality and the other anti-net neutrality yet despite that Republicans are anti-net neutrality it seems that people under the Bush Administration were in favor of the Internet.
I mean Republicans use the Internet for their own enjoyment and purposes like everyone else yet they are Pro-Protect IP and SOPA and it seems like they are hypocritical about it and seem to flip-flop on the issue when the Democrats are more in tune with the issue themselves. Ron Paul is the only Republican I know that is pro-net neutrality in which he is against the Protect IP and SOPA bills cause it really does cause ALOT of problems with the Internet, it really does. I do think it's a dirty trick on the Politicians to try to get this passed through Congress during the Holidays, thinking that everyone would be too distracted for their Christmas and New Year's Eve plans well let me tell you something we shouldn't get distracted from the important issues at hand well mainly regarding Protect IP and SOPA.
Glaceon said:
Okay that's reasonable due to the Fair Use Act that's already in place in the U.S. Government, what about Serebii.net then? I don't like accusing people of stealing content but I had to know for sure just to be on the safe side.
Funny thread.
1) The point of piracy is that it is illegal. There's a very fine line on what is. Anything from the Pirate Bay, without a doubt, is illegal. Every time you get an illegal album, you're cheating a good musician out of that money that they would have spent developing more music. That's how I see it. The industries of the media clearly disapprove of this, because it's going to stop artists from making more material. So it's not just their loss but yours. That's not even going into the realms of pop-ups and viruses. However, I don't want to be too much of a hypocrite, because Mediafire can be interpreted how you like - I only 'pirate' for studio stems that were once free on the artist's accord. Basically retrieving old files I missed the chance to get.
However, some officials will allow legal free downloads - just look at MoS' Soundcloud page. It's got stuff that'd cost you on iTunes but it's a bit of a thank-you gift for looking at their page. Even Tinie Tempah uses Mediafire to promote his mixtapes.
1) The point of piracy is that it is illegal. There's a very fine line on what is. Anything from the Pirate Bay, without a doubt, is illegal. Every time you get an illegal album, you're cheating a good musician out of that money that they would have spent developing more music. That's how I see it. The industries of the media clearly disapprove of this, because it's going to stop artists from making more material. So it's not just their loss but yours. That's not even going into the realms of pop-ups and viruses. However, I don't want to be too much of a hypocrite, because Mediafire can be interpreted how you like - I only 'pirate' for studio stems that were once free on the artist's accord. Basically retrieving old files I missed the chance to get.
However, some officials will allow legal free downloads - just look at MoS' Soundcloud page. It's got stuff that'd cost you on iTunes but it's a bit of a thank-you gift for looking at their page. Even Tinie Tempah uses Mediafire to promote his mixtapes.
Now that you mention it that explains why the Mainstream Music Industry nowadays has gone downhill. That's why we're getting mediocre artists like Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga, but there's still some good artists out there like Adele and The Fitz & The Tantrums.
In this kind of economy, some people pirate to save money while others do it to voice out their opinions on webshows like on ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com or from people who have loads of Subscribers on YouTube that post on a daily basis (almost). People have their reasons no doubt, but yeah it is still illegal.
One thing I was reading on a different forum that could solve this whole problem is by encouraging more forms of copying in capitalism and lighten up copyright laws. The problem is that this form of capitalism still needs to make a profit somehow while not eating away the U.S. economy which as senator John McCain said cost $58 Million annually in losses.
In this kind of economy, some people pirate to save money while others do it to voice out their opinions on webshows like on ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com or from people who have loads of Subscribers on YouTube that post on a daily basis (almost). People have their reasons no doubt, but yeah it is still illegal.
One thing I was reading on a different forum that could solve this whole problem is by encouraging more forms of copying in capitalism and lighten up copyright laws. The problem is that this form of capitalism still needs to make a profit somehow while not eating away the U.S. economy which as senator John McCain said cost $58 Million annually in losses.
Ok I'm gonna try and get into this discussion. If my interpretations are correct here, SOPA is for the purpose of protecting American industries from getting ripped off by foreigners who steal property and try and sell it (whether it be the legit thing or a fake) and that this decision will be for the courts to make. If that's the case, this is a good thing. And I don't understand how CardSlinger J thinks that this will affect how we experience Pokemon here. What we get from Japan on Pokemon is just news, that and nothing else. That is not piracy. Pokebeach is not in the business of replicating Pokemon cards or content from Pokemon games, it is in the business of informing us of current Pokemon topics and discussing them. Am I understanding everything right?
Serebii deserves to get closed if it certainly is not attributing sources (but I almost never go there so I wouldn't know). I'm just facepawing at how Card Slinger J is obsessively trying to make the case that PokéBeach would be closed by SOPA. Also, Card Slinger J, stop saying that it would limit free speech and cut innovation when you're [failing to support it by responding to]/[ignoring] a post that already argues against that.
You are not debating. You are just reacting to anything you feel like replying to. That does not make your argument strong, it just makes it incomplete. Posting "related" links to news does not help if you're not incorporating it in the debate. Don't make me feel like talking to a brick wall, because I will keep trying until this gets locked.
You are not debating. You are just reacting to anything you feel like replying to. That does not make your argument strong, it just makes it incomplete. Posting "related" links to news does not help if you're not incorporating it in the debate. Don't make me feel like talking to a brick wall, because I will keep trying until this gets locked.
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Incinermyn
The only thorn that sticks in my side is that, no matter how much I read about SOPA, it sounds like an individual company still has to consider something being streamed and/or used online as infringing on its copyright before any action can be taken against websites. Last I checked, wasn't Nintendo okay with most fansites? That's where the argument that PokeBeach is endanger of being shutdown because of this possible new law seems to fall apart, to me... But this is just my layman's perspective, mind you, and the legitimacy of things online has always been a small fear of mine...
I thought Nintendo was against Pokemon fansites. More or less it's actually helping their company rather than hurting it and them supporting SOPA doesn't really help their cause in this at all.
Well anyway here's another link to those that want to petition against SOPA and PROTECT IP, besides AmericanCensorship.org but this time it's on the WhiteHouse.Gov Website:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
Well anyway here's another link to those that want to petition against SOPA and PROTECT IP, besides AmericanCensorship.org but this time it's on the WhiteHouse.Gov Website:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
Nintendo is very fine with fansites and fanwork. What they're not happy about is copyright infringement, thus the endorsement of SOPA. I'm sure some of you remember how Nintendo even threatened legal action against sites like PokeBeach for leaking B/W pictures when the game was just released in Japan. Of course, I'm sure they'll use SOPA to deal with DS piracy first rather than bother with fansites that endorse the franchise to begin with. Because seriously, closing fansites that help the franchise? That would be stupid.
When you're talking about DS Piracy, are you refferring to Wi-Fi Trades and Battle Requests like on this site or on Serebii.net for instance?