So as you all probably know by now, Blastiose/Keldeo is the supposed BDIF when Boundries Crossed hits the states, but after the Garchomp/Altaria dissapiontment, I'm not setting high hopes. Mainly because of Shaymin EX. Now, I don't have to tell you that HorseBlast is entirely week to Grass types, and Shaymin EX has already found his way into one of the best decks of this format, Darkrai/Hydregion, and has also been known to enter into Empoleon and Darkrai/Terrakion Decks. Now, these are all great decks, two of them are in the running for BDIF, so does that mean that these decks, none of which are weak to Water types, and are very quick, are going to be out of the running for BDIF?
Keldeo-EX / Blastoise discussion
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RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
I doubt Shaymin will affect the success of "HorseBlast". This deck is supposed to attack fast and assuming your opponent plays Shaymin at the end where you only have 1-2 prizes left, and they have at least 3 then they KO your Keldo, you send in blastiose, drop a Keldo, attach to Keldo, Step In and that's game.
I doubt Shaymin will affect the success of "HorseBlast". This deck is supposed to attack fast and assuming your opponent plays Shaymin at the end where you only have 1-2 prizes left, and they have at least 3 then they KO your Keldo, you send in blastiose, drop a Keldo, attach to Keldo, Step In and that's game.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
Shaymin wouldn't be played at the end, once you take two prizes, I'll play a Shaymin, and OHKO everything you play.
Shaymin wouldn't be played at the end, once you take two prizes, I'll play a Shaymin, and OHKO everything you play.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
I don't think Blastoise/Keldeo EX will be the BDIF, but it will be Tier 1/2, the problem is that its damage output is actually rather low, Keldeo will only be doing 90/100 before its Energy attachments are CRAZY
P). Plus the deck has its own EX counter, Sigilyph. With that it will dominate!
I don't think Blastoise/Keldeo EX will be the BDIF, but it will be Tier 1/2, the problem is that its damage output is actually rather low, Keldeo will only be doing 90/100 before its Energy attachments are CRAZY
P). Plus the deck has its own EX counter, Sigilyph. With that it will dominate!RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
Catcher around it. It's not hard.
Catcher around it. It's not hard.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
For Sigilyph you can run regular Keldeo(or you can even use Blastoise), Shaymin is OHKOed back since probably in every game you'll setup at least 2 Keldeos EX and in the deck there is also Mewtwo so Shaymin won't be a big problem to deal.
For Sigilyph you can run regular Keldeo(or you can even use Blastoise), Shaymin is OHKOed back since probably in every game you'll setup at least 2 Keldeos EX and in the deck there is also Mewtwo so Shaymin won't be a big problem to deal.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
I find it completely hilarious that people actually think Blastoise Keldeo will be good. Just no. Rain Dance will never be good, Magneboar was the only brief exception. It isn't consistent, and it takes massive amount of energy to get a decent damage output, and once all of those energies are down, a good Mewtwo player will run through you. Not to mention, you need to get all of the energy themselves in your hand, after setting up a stage 2. Before anyone tries to bring it up, Skyla and Cilan aren't going to help you. If you rely on either of those cards, that should be a pretty big indicator that your deck concept is flawed. So in short, Blastoise Keldeo won't make Shaymin usage rise, because most everyone will figure out that its worthless before Cities comes around.
I find it completely hilarious that people actually think Blastoise Keldeo will be good. Just no. Rain Dance will never be good, Magneboar was the only brief exception. It isn't consistent, and it takes massive amount of energy to get a decent damage output, and once all of those energies are down, a good Mewtwo player will run through you. Not to mention, you need to get all of the energy themselves in your hand, after setting up a stage 2. Before anyone tries to bring it up, Skyla and Cilan aren't going to help you. If you rely on either of those cards, that should be a pretty big indicator that your deck concept is flawed. So in short, Blastoise Keldeo won't make Shaymin usage rise, because most everyone will figure out that its worthless before Cities comes around.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
I find completely hilarious that you say these things without knowing how good this deck is doing in Japan, before saying something I recommend you to inform yourself. If you check around the web you can find that Blastoise/Keldeo has won a lot of Tournaments in Japan and is undoubtely Tier 1(Maybe not BDIF but Tier 1 for sure).
I find completely hilarious that you say these things without knowing how good this deck is doing in Japan, before saying something I recommend you to inform yourself. If you check around the web you can find that Blastoise/Keldeo has won a lot of Tournaments in Japan and is undoubtely Tier 1(Maybe not BDIF but Tier 1 for sure).
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
I think that Eels and Hydreigon will deal just fine with Blastoise/Keldeo. Eels are able to OHKO Keldeo easily with Mewtwo, and if it comes to a Mewtwo War, Eels obviously wins. Hydreigon can also OHKO Blastoise, and since Keldeo probably can't OHKO anything (it needs a lot of energy to do it), you can just Max Potion the damage away. Shaymin is also probably very good against Keldeo in the late game. And the one thing that I really think that makes Keldeo/Blastoise not that hard to beat is N. Since your acceleration comes from your hand, if you take a KO and then N to 3 or 2, you probably won't be able to power up anything. I do think the deck will be atleast Tier 1.5, but I don't know if it's good enough for Tier 1.
I think that Eels and Hydreigon will deal just fine with Blastoise/Keldeo. Eels are able to OHKO Keldeo easily with Mewtwo, and if it comes to a Mewtwo War, Eels obviously wins. Hydreigon can also OHKO Blastoise, and since Keldeo probably can't OHKO anything (it needs a lot of energy to do it), you can just Max Potion the damage away. Shaymin is also probably very good against Keldeo in the late game. And the one thing that I really think that makes Keldeo/Blastoise not that hard to beat is N. Since your acceleration comes from your hand, if you take a KO and then N to 3 or 2, you probably won't be able to power up anything. I do think the deck will be atleast Tier 1.5, but I don't know if it's good enough for Tier 1.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
cough cough lostgar cough cough charizard cough cough gartaria cough cough
Yeah, I'm never taking the Japanese metagame into account again. Calling it now, this deck is way over-hyped, there is absolutely no reason to tech for it.
Coutihno said:
cough cough lostgar cough cough charizard cough cough gartaria cough cough
Yeah, I'm never taking the Japanese metagame into account again. Calling it now, this deck is way over-hyped, there is absolutely no reason to tech for it.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
Shaymin can defintely overcome blastoise keldeo.
Shaymin catcher ko es squirtle, and later in the game, blastoise and keldeo.
Shaymin with sigilyph beats keldeo blastoise.
I think that keldeo blastoise deserves a tier 1.5
Shaymin can defintely overcome blastoise keldeo.
Shaymin catcher ko es squirtle, and later in the game, blastoise and keldeo.
Shaymin with sigilyph beats keldeo blastoise.
I think that keldeo blastoise deserves a tier 1.5
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
*Giggle* "Horseblast". Exactly...why give it this name?
I've already heard of "BlastDeo" and "Keldoise"
Just call it Keldoise, it doesn't sound remotely as bad as Horseblast.
I'd rather see this deck for myself, or play it, before I make any judgement.
Zangoose said:
*Giggle* "Horseblast". Exactly...why give it this name?
I've already heard of "BlastDeo" and "Keldoise"
Just call it Keldoise, it doesn't sound remotely as bad as Horseblast.
I'd rather see this deck for myself, or play it, before I make any judgement.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
It will affect blastoise/keldeo but not much. It will give it a hard time and a bad match up against darkrai/hydreigon.
It will affect blastoise/keldeo but not much. It will give it a hard time and a bad match up against darkrai/hydreigon.
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
I personally think shaymin wont effect the sucess of blastoise keledo because if they kill a keledo u can run a bouffalant tech (boufer) and ko them
I personally think shaymin wont effect the sucess of blastoise keledo because if they kill a keledo u can run a bouffalant tech (boufer) and ko them
RE: Shaymin EX, and the future BDIF HorseBlast
Shaymin won't completely destroy Blastoise/Keldeo, but it will give it a hard time. Absolutely. The only deck I'd consider using Shaymin EX in is Darkrai/Hydreigon, (Blend's already there), however, because how it helps this match up and the Terrakion one as well. Furthermore, don't forget that Shaymin starts OHKOing Blastoise once your opponent takes three Prize cards. That's still relatively early in the game. Once Darkrai starts Night Spearing, it could be even earlier if the damage is spread evenly. To beat Blastoise/Keldeo, you're going to have to take out the Blastoise first so your opponent doesn't have the opportunity to counter with Keldeo. (Unless it's for the game, lol.)
Shaymin won't completely destroy Blastoise/Keldeo, but it will give it a hard time. Absolutely. The only deck I'd consider using Shaymin EX in is Darkrai/Hydreigon, (Blend's already there), however, because how it helps this match up and the Terrakion one as well. Furthermore, don't forget that Shaymin starts OHKOing Blastoise once your opponent takes three Prize cards. That's still relatively early in the game. Once Darkrai starts Night Spearing, it could be even earlier if the damage is spread evenly. To beat Blastoise/Keldeo, you're going to have to take out the Blastoise first so your opponent doesn't have the opportunity to counter with Keldeo. (Unless it's for the game, lol.)