Let's Do the 7th Generation

[professorlight]

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Fire ghost, for an allusion to hades

Hades. I like it. I you want to continue for something, do some reaserch, come up with ideas. You're not limited by legendaries and starters anymore. It could be a trio guy.

We are only having one singular legendary with two different forms in two different time periods, right?

I'd rather keep the Rock --> Steel type change for the legendary Pokemon's forms because it seems to make sense (or at least it does in my head). I think that the primary type of the Pokemon should stay the same, though, since it is essentially a modernized version of the past form. However, if no one likes my concept later on, then the apocalyptic idea could run a Psychic --> Dark transition as Psychic represents sanity, calmness, and concentration, and Dark seems to force these qualities to their negative extremes. If we do actually want both types to change, then I'd suggest Psychic/Rock and Dark/Steel. I can see this happening, though the future beats the past twice...not that it really matters.
Keep in mind the more recent legendaries that have been released in the Pokemon franchise; Fairy- and Dark-type Pokemon were just used as version mascots, and there was also Zygarde to be considered as well. We also have three others that still haven't been officially announced yet, but don't forget their types because we do not want to copy them. That would seem somewhat lazy and I know I wouldn't want to play through a game that has the exact same kind of legendary Pokemon in it. We don't want to overlap typings too much. Also, if we're having a total of four different Pokemon (two past, two present), then that means there are four different main legendaries throughout the game. I think that's a little too much, but this is why we're still developing everything.

I think that idea will be better decided by whoever designs the legends, doesn't mean we can't discuss it.
I didn't like past and present forms for one pokemon becasue they leave you with the same movepool, But I liked keepers idea of forms that show the different variants of the future; I'd suggest some light reading on time theory; I'll do a little myself so I can counsel properly the team that wants to do them.

Your typing point is valid, but as long as the typing is consistant enough with the origins of the design, reapeating some types would not be that bad; for example, a rock/fairy type based on the eras of the past would be very different from diancie, who is based on a mythical creature with a link to gemstones. In one, rock is rock and fairy is magic (and we'll do new moves, besides), in the other, rock are crystals and fairy is a mythical creature. They would focus on different aspects of the same types, as, say, rayquaza and dragonite salamence.

With my team we were considering a starter theme of royalty. We had a grass/fairy queen (of the fairies) and were trying to see if our other ideas could fit in the theme for some contrasting and badass kings, or some mythology too. I don't know, king of the beasts? (manticore maybe?) king of the sky? something like that.

First, I really like the grass starter so far. Just remember the gender ratio They're mostly guys. Also, it's too bad the emperor penguin has already been used. That would've been perfect. Also, Serperior is somewhat royalty as well. I'm not saying that I don't like your theme, but there are already several starters who exhibit this pride. Also, let me know when I can work with others on their stats!

The gender ratio can be reversed, and even if we don't, it doesn't matter; look at braixen; all of them have skirts, only 12.5 percent of them are female. Or amaura and aurorus.

What you say is true, we tried to get away from empoleon, actually, but it doesn't mean we should stop considering it. This squirrel would be inspired in the queen (or king, if you follow shakespeare) of the fairies.

Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_animals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_Queen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania

You can't deny a fire type "beastmaster" pokemon doesn't sound badass as all hell. Two words:

MANTICORE (it's part lion...). FIRE. BEASTMASTER.

Done.

So if someone wants to take that concept, go ahead, I'll see if I can find another concept for the remaining starter.

 

[Keeper of Night]

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Water elephant starter.
If you want royalty as a theme, Indian elephants are often dressed up with jewels. Adding onto that idea could come up with something.
Water/Rock maybe?

 

[professorlight]

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Nice concept, see if you can get something on it to link it to the whole, maybe not royalty, but "rulers" or something; a position of power. As I did with titania, you can go too to known works of fiction.

Maybe you can rework the whole hades thing as the hell king, or ruler of the underworld. Then we'd have:

- Fire/Ghost X, Ruler of the underworld
- Grass/Fairy squirrel, Ruler of the forest/fairies
- Water/Rock elephant, Ruler of Whatever (maybe this could be the beastmaster?)

I'll take it that when he wakes up from fainting, haunted will take the fire ghost hades, so; who wants to delve into the depths of indian mythology? keeper, are you up to it?

 

[Haunted Water]

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Fire ghost, for an allusion to hades

Hades. I like it. I you want to continue for something, do some reaserch, come up with ideas. You're not limited by legendaries and starters anymore. It could be a trio guy.

I could always do something with the three main Greek gods; Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus.

 

[professorlight]

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Hades. I like it. I you want to continue for something, do some reaserch, come up with ideas. You're not limited by legendaries and starters anymore. It could be a trio guy.

I could always do something with the three main Greek gods; Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus.

Yes, but didn't you want to do a fire/ghost starter? up there you have the argument that meshes it with the rest. Or do you prefer it to be the trio?

Damn, I got the names mixed up, sorry.

 

[Haunted Water]

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Trio, yeah. I've come across a better idea for starters. One millions of years in the making...

 

[Professor Palutena]

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Ooh, starters based on greek myths.

/me gets excited.

I think a Fire/Dark or Fire/Ghost starter could work really well for a Fire starter that is based on Hades. That's already been touched upon so I'll move on.

The Greek Goddess Gaia is the personification of earth and nature. I think this would be an excellent idea for a Grass type starter. If earth and nature is too vague (as it can be interpreted as the land as well), Demeter is another option, as she is the goddess of the harvest, and could be more closely connected to the Grass-type.

For the Water-type, Poseidon seems like an obvious choice as well. I have this idea of a Dolphin holding a spear that could be referencing Poseidon.

 

[Keeper of Night]

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Nice concept, see if you can get something on it to link it to the whole, maybe not royalty, but "rulers" or something; a position of power. As I did with titania, you can go too to known works of fiction.

Maybe you can rework the whole hades thing as the hell king, or ruler of the underworld. Then we'd have:

- Fire/Ghost X, Ruler of the underworld
- Grass/Fairy squirrel, Ruler of the forest/fairies
- Water/Rock elephant, Ruler of Whatever (maybe this could be the beastmaster?)

I'll take it that when he wakes up from fainting, haunted will take the fire ghost hades, so; who wants to delve into the depths of indian mythology? keeper, are you up to it?

Chuck Norris I approve.
Of course I can research Indian mythology. For now, I must sleep. Come morning though, I can start.

Edit: if we go with Palutena's dolphin idea, favoritism will have been shown.

 

[professorlight]

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Trio, yeah. I've come across a better idea for starters. One millions of years in the making...

Yes, I'm aware psychedelic breakfast told you guys his idea of having the fossils (dinosaurs) being the starters. Wouldn't it be better if the dinosaurs were the actual fossils, though? and also with the whole time travel thing, more regular pokemon can be inspired in dinosaurs too.

Ooh, starters based on greek myths.

* Professor Palutena gets excited.

I think a Fire/Dark or Fire/Ghost starter could work really well for a Fire starter that is based on Hades. That's already been touched upon so I'll move on.

The Greek Goddess Gaia is the personification of earth and nature. I think this would be an excellent idea for a Grass type starter. If earth and nature is too vague (as it can be interpreted as the land as well), Demeter is another option, as she is the goddess of the harvest, and could be more closely connected to the Grass-type.

For the Water-type, Poseidon seems like an obvious choice as well. I have this idea of a Dolphin holding a spear that could be referencing Poseidon.

I like gaia more for the trio, a fat, friendly, motherly grass/ground. The main problem is that the earth and harvest get very close to landorus territory, but it could work, you need to go deeper, add concepts, mix them.

And the same goes for the dolphin, too. I've said before that it's important to note that the water starters all can walk on ground, as well as swim, so dolphin would not be enough on it's own.

Nice concept, see if you can get something on it to link it to the whole, maybe not royalty, but "rulers" or something; a position of power. As I did with titania, you can go too to known works of fiction.

Maybe you can rework the whole hades thing as the hell king, or ruler of the underworld. Then we'd have:

- Fire/Ghost X, Ruler of the underworld
- Grass/Fairy squirrel, Ruler of the forest/fairies
- Water/Rock elephant, Ruler of Whatever (maybe this could be the beastmaster?)

I'll take it that when he wakes up from fainting, haunted will take the fire ghost hades, so; who wants to delve into the depths of indian mythology? keeper, are you up to it?

Chuck Norris I approve.
Of course I can research Indian mythology. For now, I must sleep. Come morning though, I can start.

Edit: if we go with Palutena's dolphin idea, favoritism will have been shown.

No favoritism here. And my advice to palutena applies to you too, to all of you, in fact.

Let the games begin...

 

[Professor Palutena]

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And the same goes for the dolphin, too. I've said before that it's important to note that the water starters all can walk on ground, as well as swim, so dolphin would not be enough on it's own.

Let's make it a platypus instead.

Give it a big old beard, and maybe its tail or beak can be shaped like a spear to further resemble Poseidon.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

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Pwofeesor, that may work for Water/Poison, don't you think?

 

[Keeper of Night]

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I was kidding, because I wanted the dolphin originally.

So we're not going the royalty route?
No fairy queen squirrel or emperor elephant?

 

[professorlight]

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I can't wait to see how you manage to pull off a badass-looking king platypus; a beard and pointed weapons can be a good starting point (IDEA! gladiators, guys, F****** gladiators).

The way I see it, keeper, there's still no good reason to discard the royalty theme. The emperor elephant could easily be fire/rock. and be with the grass/fairy and the water/poison. It would go pretty well, actually, since we would be dealing with unusual ancient cultures; the celtic for the elves, the indian for the elephant and the roman for the platypus.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

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I still think we should have a Cat :x
It's not good to have the starters share a theme, it makes them less diverse.

 

[GM DracLord]

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Sorry to barge i .. But it really does entertain me reading you ideas on the starter.. Keep up with the good work guys

 

[Professor Palutena]

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The platypus can still look like a king and still reference Poseidon at the same time, so it is totally possible to go with multiple concepts here, as long as the two are somewhat relatable.

 

[professorlight]

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The platypus can still look like a king and still reference Poseidon at the same time, so it is totally possible to go with multiple concepts here, as long as the two are somewhat relatable.

Not only is it possible, but also is what you have to do; look at my squirrel, I didn't use only one thing, I actually hadn't think of the elven/titania angle until we noticed it could be a good grass/fairy; at the moment it was only a grass squirrel with flowers; start somewhere, and go adding ideas from there; sketch a lot, too.

Check my team's former QT, see how the design was progressing as the ideas started popping in our heads and we discussed them.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

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I haven't drawn in ages... xP
Cats r best starter

 

[Turtwig]

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Are we going to have any relation in the secondary types of the starters? For example, Gen 4 had it so that each starter had a chance to at least do neutral damage, and Gen 6 had a double-advantage for each starter against the one it's strong against.

If so, that's a key thing to think about. If not, disregard. I'd just hate for a Water/Rock to be horribly matched against a Grass-type. Even though we aren't actually going to design the game, the concept needs to be realistic and fair.

 

[professorlight]

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I haven't drawn in ages... xP
Cats r best starter

And?

In the qt, you drew a cat. And? what else it there to it? what makes the cat better? besides being a cat?

Almost every gen so far had cats in one way or another; and yes, a cat starter is something new, but what else? Starters are rarely common animals, we have echidnas, otters, mudfishes... not cats or dogs, or cows, or pigeons.

Now we have:

Squirrel+fairy princess/queen+elves+grass+flowers+acorns
Elephant+mahraja+indian mythology+jewels/rock+fire+etcetera
Platypus+poseidon+greek/roman mythology+trident+poison+etcetera

Those have one animal and a bunch of references and concepts that guide how they can be designed.

If you want to do a cat, go ahead, continue with the ground serval, or the electric cheetah, those sound very good; do the liepard of this gen, after all, having a cat is tradition. But go deeper than just "cat".
I don't know, take the vernacular "cool cat" and give the cat a saxophone and shades.

What? it could work.

Are we going to have any relation in the secondary types of the starters? For example, Gen 4 had it so that each starter had a chance to at least do neutral damage, and Gen 6 had a double-advantage for each starter against the one it's strong against.

If so, that's a key thing to think about. If not, disregard. I'd just hate for a Water/Rock to be horribly matched against a Grass-type. Even though we aren't actually going to design the game, the concept needs to be realistic and fair.

I agree; we should take typing into account, but not let it dictate what we want to do.

For now:

grass/fairy - fire/rock
neutral/resisted
grass/fairy - water/poison
neutral/resisted
water/poison - fire/rock
4x/neutral
water/poison - grass/fairy
resisted/4x
fire/rock - grass/fairy
2x/resisted
fire/rock - water/poison
resisted/neutral

How about changing water/poison for water/fighting? it balances things a lot, and it could still learn some poison moves through level up.
Palutena? I assume you might want to take over the platypus? what do you think?