Not voting: Zone
Not voting: Zone
S o h e l p f u l c h e e r s t aWho do you suggest we lynch buddy?
This is the most obvious new scum I've ever seen. Keeper's POV is town. Zone's isn't. S c u m s l i p.
Guess who?Who do you suggest we lynch buddy?
This is the most obvious new scum I've ever seen. Keeper's POV is town. Zone's isn't. S c u m s l i p.
Zone, you and Camo have been at each other all game - so it's hard to take you seriously when you don't give a reason, don't seem to comment on the alternative lynches Jabber and Cel, and just seem to be OMGUSing.
Apparently, you don't even read my posts. I literally confirmed Celever as town, and repeatedly stated that Camo has to be scum. If I were to be forced to vote someone between Jabber and Celever, then I would naturally vote for Jabber because I ain't going to vote a town.And by comment, I mean something more substantial than "I don't trust him".
We have 11 hours left before day end, and I won't be around then. Camo needs to take his vote off Zone, Zone needs to vote (explicitly say who they will vote), GM Drac needs to vote (or explicitly say who they will vote), and I'd like NP to re-evaluate his vote on Camo (I feel like you're leaning towards voting Jabber now?).
The town generally needs to decide whether they want to lynch Jabber, Celever or Camo. I'm currently supporting Jabber for the reasons shown by NP.
So you are telling me that I can't vote Camo because his claim of sacrificing himself? Then why the heck would NP still vote on-There's probably an element of OMGUS between Zone and Camo because it's Camo and players who haven't played with him before usually don't react well to his playstyle, but considering the vaaast likelihood right now that Camo is scum I wouldn't just write Zone's reads off like that either, because it seems he's been correct this game where most other vets have trusted Camo more than normal. And Zone isn't a new player at all; he's just as experienced as most players still alive rn (which is oddly consistently the main veterans, besides Mariano, and we're missing scattered but he only just died).
In terms of why it's so close to deadline and people haven't decided who to vote for? I'd say it's probably because people don't reeeeally understand the position we're in right now, in that you can vote for either Jabs or me today and win, but voting for Jabs is smoother sailing because of our positions in the game and how we're connected with other players: there are more players tied to scum-Jabs than there are me (if I were scum the only player who could be my buddy is Zone). Therefore it's far preferable to eliminate the player for whom we have to do the most work after their flip first i.e. Jabs than it is me, because we only need one day after we lynch me to hit my buddy, and if Jabs and Camo were to both die, you'd know I was scum and so would lynch me. And at that point you'd win.
So yeah, the best play entirely on-paper is to lynch Jabs today as the numbers fall into some real nice slots that way. If you want to use your reads to change your position that's fine (like Keeper is doing; no one believes that you think on-paper I'm a better lynch than Jabs and if you do you're wrong oof). But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter either way because we're almost in a position of guaranteed victory by now as long as it's one of the two.
...welp. Never mind me then.Oh yeah I need to switch:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Jabberwock
Apparently, you don't even read my posts. I literally confirmed Celever as town, and repeatedly stated that Camo has to be scum. If I were to be forced to vote someone between Jabber and Celever, then I would naturally vote for Jabber because I ain't going to vote a town.
There is also something regarding Jabber that I seem to keep forgetting regarding his Farewell Ability, but I don't think it will change my opinion.
Hrm... Apparently irrational grudges are uncommon in PB. Basically I am focusing on Camo because he attacks me all the time. Everything I say is scummy to him, which in itself is scummy to me.Sure, you've repeatedly stated that Camo has to be scum, but recently its been without reasons. You also haven't said why Camo is a better lynch than Jabber - in fact, it seems that you've ignored the Jabber option entirely. If Camo draws the nightkill tonight, he "confirms" himself and takes the nightkill off a confo-town. That's hugely beneficial! If Camo survives the night, he's a liar and we lynch him. Eitherway, Camo is dying within the next phase and it is a waste of time to lynch him now. That's why Jabber / Cel have been proposed as lynch options.
You just put Camo at L-1 so I don't see why that's a concern for you now when it wasn't beforeHrm... Apparently irrational grudges are uncommon in PB. Basically I am focusing on Camo because he attacks me all the time. Everything I say is scummy to him, which in itself is scummy to me.
I didn't even think much about Jabber because that info I have been forgetting all this time. If you all really don't want to lynch Camo Today, then fine! Let's lynch Camo Tomorrow. ...though, if I vote Jabber now, wouldn't he be at L-1? Are we done talking or should I wait?
To add on, without town hunting scum as much as they can and finding other townies to work with, town win rates will be abysmal. I have my grudges with people but I don't let them manifest past RVS.You just put Camo at L-1 so I don't see why that's a concern for you now when it wasn't before
Grudges aren't uncommon here but you do have to be aware of the line between grudges and OMGUS. Focussing on a player who has been targeting you still needs to be justified, otherwise it's not helping out the town.
Don't worry Jabber, if Camo dies and flips scum, Drac and Mariano are the two people who have pretty clearly got to die. BB is clear, Keeper would be cleared from your flip, and Cel cleared from him and Zone being unable to be scumbuddies. Unless Camo was pushing his buddy Zone so dramatically, the scum is one of those two.Look into Drac after Camo.
GG y'all; this is the most fun I've had in a Mafia game in ages.
What is Keeper's POV and why is it different from Zone's? It's literally a scumslip. I agree with the numbers and logic presented. I ran them by quite a few times.S o h e l p f u l c h e e r s t a
Zone's POV is that Cel is always town.What is Keeper's POV and why is it different from Zone's? It's literally a scumslip. I agree with the numbers and logic presented. I ran them by quite a few times.
I want to leave with one last thought:
I believe I've said everything else I want to say. Good luck boys.
- NP almost definitely doesn't have an Ability that reveals the town power roles. He is bluffing. Thinking about what that role could be I can't possible think of one that wouldn't assist the town more than scum. A role that straight up revealed power roles would clear players. The only way it would work against us is if names and roles were directly sent to scum or something like that.
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE: JABBERWOCK
Active Ability: Secrets Revealed
Both factions have reasons for keeping their dealings during the night a secret, but it would certainly be something if all of those secrets came to light. Once a game during any night, you may PM me ##NO SECRETS. The following day, the names of every player that used an Active Ability, and who they targeted with it, will be displayed publicly. (The night kill will not be included in this report.) You can't use this ability the same night you use Storm of Chaos or Hurry It Up.