Finished Mafia XLVII: The New Era (Fairy Tail)

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There is a bit over half the day remaining. Those who do not vote are not helping the town (in fact, you really should have voted someone 24+ hours ago, even if you end up changing it). I
Well, crap. I didn't realize we have barely 3 hours left.
To be honest, I never really understood this weird "vote stolen" thing before, and trying to understand it now is doing my head in. >.>

I was going to quote these before but didn't get time; take a look at quaking's recent posts:

Notice how these are predominantly focused on asking questions about roles (potential roles, claiming roles, players rolefishing; bolded), or involve Quaking defending himself (italics). The posts remaining ask other questions, but Quaking never really does anything with the answers he receives. He hasn't been making any actual scumhunt contributions/alignment discussion, and only role-based discussion. (If you don't understand how this is scummy, consider that mafia know everyone's alignments, but don't know everyone's roles.)

##UNVOTE ##VOTE: quakingpunch
I agree with all of this. Quaking was the next-scummiest person for me, and if Nick is on V/LA and physically unable to respond. He hasn't just been doing this today though, he did it at the very start of the game. I'm increasingly afraid of it because even though I know he's one to try and pry information from people, I've never seen him do it relating to their roles, and like BB said that makes him look like he's role-fishing for powerful town to kill. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: quakingpunch73
 
Day 02 - P09

The following Vote Count is true up to Post #340

It takes a majority of 5 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Vote Count - Players
1 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
2 - quakingpunch73
0 - Lord o da rings

This vote summary only reflect the Vote/Unvote posted in the thread.
bbninjas #271 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (Unvoted - #297)
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK #281 - quakingpunch73 (Unvoted - #288)
Lord o da rings #282 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (Unvoted - #341)
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK #288 - The Last Shaymin
bbninjas #297 - Lord o da rings (Unvoted - #328)
bbninjas #328 - quakingpunch73
quakingpunch73 #334 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
Lord o da rings #341 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK


> The Following Players need to increase their activity (Lvl 1)
- @The Last Shaymin (1/9)
> The Following Players are close to be on the above list (Lvl 2)
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> The Following Players in marginally safe from the above list (Lvl 3)

- @mordacazir (4/9)
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Day 02 - P10 Dusk

Q. Hisui : "Guards, bring the accused here."

Arcadious
: "Put those anti-magic pendant on him before he try anything fishy."

Q. Hisui
: "For the snooping around the personal files, by my degree drain this man magic and we shall see if the core is rotten or not."

Quaking : "Your highness, I just want to see what this guys are hiding. Nothing too deep."

Arcadious : "Enough, chained him and lets get this over with."

*The Royal Guards drag, the accused to the middle of the room inside a Magic Circle and chained him to the floor, with a flick of a switch, the Magic Circle activate and slowly turned the accused man into a chunk of Lacrima leaving only the uncorrupted CURED LIGHT CORE.*

Arcadious : "My Queen, it seems the man was innocent after all."

Q. Hisui
: "Regardless. I'm returning to my bed chambers, secure the Lacrima in our vault."


@quakingpunch73 was executed, he was

Jellal Faux (Protector)

You were recruited by the New Balam Alliance because you special ability and immense magical power. You infiltrated Fairy Tail once while you were in the alliance them but you have since left the group to form your own guild with former members of the surviving members Grimoire Heart.

Passive Ability: Traitor – Aside from Erza, no one else knew that you have left the alliance. If you were investigates, your alignment will be shown as “New Balam Alliance”

Active Ability: Though Projection – Although not always there, you always keep taps on your beloved Erza. Once per night you may PM me a message of not more than 10 words, that message will be sent to the person that has Erza as his or her role.

Active Ability: True Heavenly Body Magic > Sema – Due to the immense strength of this magic, it is really hard to use. Once per game, you may post in the thread “SEMA”. The following night will be skip.

Alignment: Kingdom of Fiore

Win Condition: Eliminate all threat to the Kingdom of Fiore


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Night 02 ends at
3rd January 2018n(0900 PM) [GMT+8]

Countdown Timer
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I'm giving you guys an extra IRL Day for Night 2 as a New Years Gift
 
Day 03 - P01

As the midnight bell struck twelve, someone approached Lord o da rings who was still writing finishing his report. The victim was then plunge with a Lacrima Bomb. Just under one minute, what used to be Lord o da rings is now replaced with a Lacrima Crystal with a Paper Core.

@Lord o da rings was killed, he was

Levy McDonald (Reporter)

You were always reading some book whenever you had time. This is the reason that you mastered a magic which was based on scripture. With so much free time in your hand you find yourself researching more detail about a certain Dragon Slayer whom you have fallen in love with.

Passive Ability [Locked]: Tracking – You know all the secret entrance of the headquarter due to your extensive research. Each night you will be told which player that was targeted by one of the Generals.

Active Ability: Army Report– As the book keeper of the army, you need to write a report to your commander hence you need to always be available to them. Once per night you may PM me a name of a player. If he or she is a General you will be told. Once you have known the 3 General. You will unclock an ability.

Active Ability: Solid Scripture – You writing is truly hold a weight. As such it can truly influence others. Once per night you may PM me a name of a players. During the next day, that player’s vote will be the same as yours.

Alignment: Kingdom of Fiore

Win Condition: Eliminate all threat to the Kingdom of Fiore

....

*Sharp at 9 AM*

Q.Hisui : It seems rather quite today, where are the guards I saw yesterday.

Arcadious
: It appears to be only one person go turned into Lacrima last night. Hence the guards have less work so I sent them for some morning sparring.

Q.Hisui : I see. I do hope that we can find the culprit soon.

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Day 03 ends at
8th December (1000 PM) [GMT+8]

Countdown Timer
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It takes a majority of 4 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Do be warn, failure to Lynch a Mafia Member today may lead to unfavorable outcome.
 
Oh well, now I feel a bit guilty for doing that vote analysis and discovering Lorde's vote steal ability, I'm pretty sure Mafia would have seen it as a powerful thing and decided to kill her. I shouldn't have done it, I'm sorry Lorde.

Now looking at the future of the game... ##VOTE: mordacazir . He has been staying under the radar for so much time and that is very scummy at the beggining of Day 3.

Come on guys, let's try to be more active that Day 2, we desperately need to lynch a Mafia member and that's the only way to make some reads on people. Every person not being active will be seen as scum, at least by me.
 
Hey, something I have been noticing is that when we vote out the most scummy players, it is always a town. Maybe we should vote out the people in the middle who haven't been read on either side, eg: me. The mafia should be smart enough to not be read as scummy, but maybe not so much as a town.
 
Day 03 - P02

The following Vote Count is true up to Post #347

It takes a majority of 4 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Vote Count - Players
2 - mordacazir

This vote summary only reflect the Vote/Unvote posted in the thread.

Mariano11887 #346 - mordacazir


> The Following Players need to increase their activity (Lvl 1)
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> The Following Players are close to be on the above list (Lvl 2)
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> The Following Players in marginally safe from the above list (Lvl 3)

- @mordacazir , @The Last Shaymin
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BB just has to be scum at his moment. He hasn’t been killed in a nightkill, which is really surprising for him if he would have town, which is scummy.
To repeat myself, writing something off as WIFOM is lazy. Mafia is all about figuring out which of “could be this” or “could be that” is more likely.

Scattered’s pressure does not suddenly become moot because of what Quaking said... ##unvote ##vote: fiery

Why are you voting people and not posting any reasons why or making any actual contributions?

##UNVOTE ##VOTE: TLS

Okay, once chance for Gekki to prove himself tomorrow, then. Fingers crossed this isn't the wrong decision...

Wait, you weren't sure if it was a vig or seer? If this was the case, why didn't you mention it early? Both of your earlier posts suggest that you were pretty confident that it was a vig. You didn't even ask the GM for clarification?

You have to be lying... ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Gekki. Because of the above, I'm expecting this vote will stay.

@The Last Shaymin; to scumhunt, you need to first figure out what a normal town player should be doing. Because the scum are pretending that they are town, you should look for people that don't quite match up to being a normal town player. The people who don't match up are more likely to be scum pretending (they are "scummy").


This is also a very genuine post:
- TLS observes that his previous attempts to scumhunt (voting people who vote him) doesn't work
--- TLS probably thought this was sketchy since he knows that he's town (assuming he actually is town), and voting town is scummy, right? In fact, it would have be odd if TLS is scum and have this reason, because TLS would have only given it if he had remembered that everyone else doesn't know his alignment, yet it is the opposite that is is implied through his posts.
- TLS wants to improve and asks in thread for help. Why didn't he ask in the scumchat if he was scum?
- TLS shows he is trying to participate by commenting on the dead mafia member, as TLS has likely concluded that his own team wouldn't have killed him (despite the scum typically doing the killing), and would like an explanation to fill the knowledge gap.

So, I'm reading TLS as town.



On the other hand, I get scummy vibes from this post especially. It's very tunnel-y, and there's no apparent consideration for the fact that both Aqua and TLS are still rather new in Lorde's questions/reads. For example, "How is someone voting you sketchy, you're more scummy than townie atm?" is a question that one wouldn't ask if they were considering that TLS is new in their scumhunt. I generally FoS anyone who focuses significantly on new players in their scumhunt, because its easy to make those people look scummy and consequently get them lynched. In fact, lord has been focusing on new players for the majority of the game!

##UNVOTE: Aqua
##VOTE: Lord o

To be honest, I never really understood this weird "vote stolen" thing before, and trying to understand it now is doing my head in. >.>

I was going to quote these before but didn't get time; take a look at quaking's recent posts:













Notice how these are predominantly focused on asking questions about roles (potential roles, claiming roles, players rolefishing; bolded), or involve Quaking defending himself (italics). The posts remaining ask other questions, but Quaking never really does anything with the answers he receives. He hasn't been making any actual scumhunt contributions/alignment discussion, and only role-based discussion. (If you don't understand how this is scummy, consider that mafia know everyone's alignments, but don't know everyone's roles.)

##UNVOTE ##VOTE: quakingpunch
In each of these posts, bb makes a valid point against someone, and votes that person. But when there is no one else that votes that person, he moves on to the next person. Especially with his votes on lord and gekki. In my view this is really scummy.
The town who know what actually happened will just end up lynching anyone who tries to manipulate the facts.
Strange wording here from bb because he is saying the town, and not like something that he is apart of.
In my view bb has to be scum at this point.
Well tell BB that's annoying for everyone else playing the darn game. :UU
It wasn’t annoying, I would’ve been lynched day 1 if it wasn’t for them. (We had scum teams consisting of 4 people back then.
Day 03 - P02

The following Vote Count is true up to Post #347

It takes a majority of 4 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Vote Count - Players
2 - mordacazir

This vote summary only reflect the Vote/Unvote posted in the thread.

Mariano11887 #346 - mordacazir


> The Following Players need to increase their activity (Lvl 1)
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> The Following Players are close to be on the above list (Lvl 2)
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> The Following Players in marginally safe from the above list (Lvl 3)

- @mordacazir , @The Last Shaymin
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Mariano, if your town unvote right now because scum might be able to turbo lynch me. And everyone who is town do not vote yet. Also NP has also been trying to fly under the radar. Sorry for this unorganized post but I had to post my thoughts.
 
@bbninjas I don't know if you are in charge of this, but the site is not working fine when trying to quote messages and open spoiler sections.
I'm going to respond by copying and pasting the text.

TLS: "Alright, now we know mariano's vote weight."
Ok, I'm not going to disclaim it.

Morda: "In each of these posts, bb makes a valid point against someone, and votes that person. But when there is no one else that votes that person, he moves on to the next person. Especially with his votes on lord and gekki. In my view this is really scummy."
I don't see what is the scummy thing in doing that. It's a logical thing that when you try to bulid a case on someone and none or very few people support you, you move to another person that you also think is scum. You can't lynch someone alone, you need consent.

Morda: "Mariano, if your town unvote right now because scum might be able to turbo lynch me. And everyone who is town do not vote yet. Also NP has also been trying to fly under the radar. Sorry for this unorganized post but I had to post my thoughts."
Ok, I'm going to ##UNVOTE you right now just to avoid a turbo lynch and to give you more chances to defend yourself. It's the beggining of the day. This doesn't mean you aren't scum to me at this point.
 
My keyboard has been playing up and I've only just now got a new keyboard plugged in, so sorry for not posting my thoughts until now.

Hey, something I have been noticing is that when we vote out the most scummy players, it is always a town. Maybe we should vote out the people in the middle who haven't been read on either side, eg: me. The mafia should be smart enough to not be read as scummy, but maybe not so much as a town.
Great insight TLS! Now you just need to follow that up with an informed decision on who, out of those people, are scummy.

BB just has to be scum at his moment. He hasn’t been killed in a nightkill, which is really surprising for him if he would have town, which is scummy.
It makes sense for the mafia to be keeping me alive because I keep pushing mislynches, and then get me lynched through this sort of claim, which is a WIFOMy fallacy.

Otherwise, those votes/unvotes of mine have been taken very much out of context. Did you look at what might have caused me to move my vote? (e.g. their responses?). In that other post, I'm using "the town" collectively much like how one'd say "the townies", to distinguish from the scum. I don't really use the inclusive "we" as much as you'd expect since I got shouted out the first time I did that, back when I first started playing. :<

@bbninjas I don't know if you are in charge of this, but the site is not working fine when trying to quote messages and open spoiler sections.
It's a known issue for certain browsers; we're trying to get it sorted ASAP. I'd recommend people don't use spoilers for the meanwhile~
 
My vote is also figuratively on morda, for the flying under the radar. On another note, I'm planning on taking a look at that vote counts to see connections, when I'm more awake.
 
Okay I'm done representing you guys on MU, which means I finally have time to play for real and even talk about what I've learned from it if you want that. Should reread the thread tonight to see interactions now that I can see flips associated with them.
Oh well, now I feel a bit guilty for doing that vote analysis and discovering Lorde's vote steal ability, I'm pretty sure Mafia would have seen it as a powerful thing and decided to kill her. I shouldn't have done it, I'm sorry Lorde.
Wow, NP always says something is bad and it hurts us! :O
Seriously though, don't do VCA in thread. It really isn't useful.
Hey, something I have been noticing is that when we vote out the most scummy players, it is always a town. Maybe we should vote out the people in the middle who haven't been read on either side, eg: me. The mafia should be smart enough to not be read as scummy, but maybe not so much as a town.
The whole point of the scummiest player is that they're most likely to be scum. We need to calibrate how we determine scumminess rather than do that.
Alright, now we know mariano's vote weight.
Did you not read Mariano saying how this hurt us before?
BB just has to be scum at his moment. He hasn’t been killed in a nightkill, which is really surprising for him if he would have town, which is scummy.
In each of these posts, bb makes a valid point against someone, and votes that person. But when there is no one else that votes that person, he moves on to the next person. Especially with his votes on lord and gekki. In my view this is really scummy.

Strange wording here from bb because he is saying the town, and not like something that he is apart of.
In my view bb has to be scum at this point.

It wasn’t annoying, I would’ve been lynched day 1 if it wasn’t for them. (We had scum teams consisting of 4 people back then.

Mariano, if your town unvote right now because scum might be able to turbo lynch me. And everyone who is town do not vote yet. Also NP has also been trying to fly under the radar. Sorry for this unorganized post but I had to post my thoughts.
"Must be scum b/c WIFOM point" is pretty bad. Additionally, he's led both mislynches so far, which while scummy in its own right, could explain why scum would leave him alive.
Can't view the spoiler so I'll assume for now that's legit.
It's not flying under the radar as much as playing a game with all our reputation on the line in LYLO.
My keyboard has been playing up and I've only just now got a new keyboard plugged in, so sorry for not posting my thoughts until now.Great insight TLS! Now you just need to follow that up with an informed decision on who, out of those people, are scummy.It makes sense for the mafia to be keeping me alive because I keep pushing mislynches, and then get me lynched through this sort of claim, which is a WIFOMy fallacy.Otherwise, those votes/unvotes of mine have been taken very much out of context. Did you look at what might have caused me to move my vote? (e.g. their responses?). In that other post, I'm using "the town" collectively much like how one'd say "the townies", to distinguish from the scum. I don't really use the inclusive "we" as much as you'd expect since I got shouted out the first time I did that, back when I first started playing. :<It's a known issue for certain browsers; we're trying to get it sorted ASAP. I'd recommend people don't use spoilers for the meanwhile~
I'll just put in a word here that "we" was one of Camo's favorite scumtells at a point in time. And nobody ever wants to argue with Camo.
 
Day 03 - P03

The following Vote Count is true up to Post #354

It takes a majority of 4 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Vote Count - Players
0 - mordacazir

This vote summary only reflect the Vote/Unvote posted in the thread.

Mariano11887 #346 - mordacazir (Unvoted - #351)


> The Following Players need to increase their activity (Lvl 1)
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> The Following Players are close to be on the above list (Lvl 2)
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> The Following Players in marginally safe from the above list (Lvl 3)
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I think it's weird if the scum killed Lorde primarily because of Mariano's vote analysis; I'm sure they would have been very capable of looking at the vote count themselves.

The whole point of the scummiest player is that they're most likely to be scum. We need to calibrate how we determine scumminess rather than do that.
No, TLS is very right in that the people who are middle ground should also be looked into. This game exemplifies the fact that the scummiest players aren't always mafia.
 
Come on, guys! I kind of want more activity!
I think that morda is making some good points about how bb would be killed if he wasn't on the mafia. But then, of course, bb is making some very good claims right back. How many people are still alive? I might have to actually participate in this scumreading thing.
 
I think that morda is making some good points about how bb would be killed if he wasn't on the mafia. But then, of course, bb is making some very good claims right back. How many people are still alive?
Six, which means there is probably 2 mafians hiding out there.

I might have to actually participate in this scumreading thing.
That is a great idea.
 
Still having issues with the site, so I'm quoting myself:

BB: "No, TLS is very right in that the people who are middle ground should also be looked into. This game exemplifies the fact that the scummiest players aren't always mafia."
I agree with this.

TLS: "Come on, guys! I kind of want more activity!"
This is the attitude we were looking for since the beggining of the game! (or at least since I entered on Day 2) :)

TLS: "Oh, and I have very good evidence that I am town, just ask if you want it."
This sounds a little scummy... Why do you offer evidence when nobody pressured you to do so? I'm not thaaat experienced player, but what I normally see is people preserving that "evidence" for the most critical points of the game or when they're about to be lynched. And I'm putting "evidence" with quotation marks because the only thing 100% true is what Drac says, not what a player says.

BB: "Six (players remaining), which means there is probably 2 mafians hiding out there."
I know it could vary, but I understand the standard is 1/3 of the players being scum. In this game it could be 4 people and only 1 is dead, so I think there are 3 mafians out there. Remember that Drac warned us that if we don't lynch a Mafia member today, we are almost screwed.
 
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