Finished Mafia XLVII: The New Era (Fairy Tail)

[mordacazir]

Here’s a quick post before I go to sleep

I wasn't aware I had any questions to answer. Direct me towards them, and I will gladly answer them.

I read back and didnt find any questions sorry my memory was wrong on that one.

IDK why everyone has this strange idea of coaching, but that's not how coaching works. Nobody ever gets ordered to act newbie, because it will never help them down the line. The general order for newbies is "act like you would if you were town" and that's it.

I was coached by bb my first game a long time ago, and he ordered me to be confused and not understand stuff,

 

[bbninjas]

Just in the future guys, if you're not on my reads lists you're probably too inactive to read, or so inactive I just forgot about you in general. This is why you need to be active when you can be.

Morda’s been flying under the radar and not getting much attention, which is suss.

I also had forgotten about that regarding NP.

Remember, BB, that Nick was scum his first game. Him thinking that TLS is acting similar to himself may be more indicative of being scum to him.

I can’t remember that since I didn’t play that game. That does explain things.

All of those ideas could be seen a completely different and scummy way.

I don’t follow.

Well, I was waiting to see how the first night played through so I could consider the damage dealt to this community and post this upcoming in game night. That is what I believed would be best

This reads strongly as a decision Aqua made by himself, not in a team.

I was coached by bb my first game a long time ago, and he ordered me to be confused and not understand stuff,

If I recall correctly you got the hang of things quickly and we both decided it would be better if you contributed to feign newbie? Something like that.

 

[Mariano11887]

People, I finished my analisys of the votations for the first day. There were 3 moments in the day where the vote count didn't coincide with the previous vote count. They are the ones in the posts #91, #154 and #248.

#91: The abnormal thing here is that Quaking has 2 votes, while he should have 1. At the same time, scattered mind (SM from now on) has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from SM to Quaking. The only person who truly voted Quaking at that time was Lorde.

#154: The abnormal thing here is that PineApl has 2 votes, while he should have 1. At the same time, SM has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from SM to PineApl. The only person who truly voted PineApl at that time was Lorde.


#248: The abnormal thing here is that Gekki has 5 votes, while he should have 4. At the same time, PineApl has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from PineApl to Gekki. At that time, Lorde voted Gekki.

The common pattern I find there is Lorde transforming TLS's vote into the person she voted.
However, that not necessarily means Lorde is scummy, it could be just a Town member with that ability.

 

[Mariano11887]

Copying the same again with the correct spacing between lines. Sorry for the spam.

Spoiler: Corrected previous post

#91: The abnormal thing here is that Quaking has 2 votes, while he should have 1. At the same time, scattered mind (SM from now on) has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from SM to Quaking. The only person who truly voted Quaking at that time was Lorde.

#154: The abnormal thing here is that PineApl has 2 votes, while he should have 1. At the same time, SM has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from SM to PineApl. The only person who truly voted PineApl at that time was Lorde.

#248: The abnormal thing here is that Gekki has 5 votes, while he should have 4. At the same time, PineApl has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from PineApl to Gekki. At that time, Lorde voted Gekki.

The common pattern I find there is Lorde transforming TLS's vote into the person she voted.
However, that not necessarily means Lorde is scummy, it could be just a Town member with that ability.

 

[GM DracLord]

Day 02 - P07

The following Vote Count is true up to Post #322

It takes a majority of 5 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Vote Count - Players
1 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
0 - quakingpunch73
1 - Lord o da rings

Spoiler: Vote Summary

This vote summary only reflect the Vote/Unvote posted in the thread.
bbninjas #271 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (Unvoted - #297)
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK #281 - quakingpunch73 (Unvoted - #288)
Lord o da rings #282 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK #288 - The Last Shaymin
bbninjas #297 - Lord o da rings

> The Following Players need to increase their activity (Lvl 1)
- @The Last Shaymin (1/7)
> The Following Players are close to be on the above list (Lvl 2)
- @mordacazir (4/7)
> The Following Players in marginally safe from the above list (Lvl 3)
____________________________________________________________
Day 02 ends at > 30th December 2017 (0300 PM) [GMT+8]

Countdown Timer

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[GM DracLord]

You have around 1 day & 4 hours LEFT!!

 

[Lorde]

Morda’s been flying under the radar and not getting much attention, which is suss.

Unless he acc asked Drac for V/LA, then I'm inclined to agree.

Copying the same again with the correct spacing between lines. Sorry for the spam.

Spoiler: Corrected previous post

#91: The abnormal thing here is that Quaking has 2 votes, while he should have 1. At the same time, scattered mind (SM from now on) has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from SM to Quaking. The only person who truly voted Quaking at that time was Lorde.

#154: The abnormal thing here is that PineApl has 2 votes, while he should have 1. At the same time, SM has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from SM to PineApl. The only person who truly voted PineApl at that time was Lorde.

#248: The abnormal thing here is that Gekki has 5 votes, while he should have 4. At the same time, PineApl has 0 votes, while he should have 1. That means someone moved the TLS's vote from PineApl to Gekki. At that time, Lorde voted Gekki.

The common pattern I find there is Lorde transforming TLS's vote into the person she voted.
However, that not necessarily means Lorde is scummy, it could be just a Town member with that ability.

So I'm controlling his vote? That's new. Also don't worry about formatting in future posts, it really doesn't matter.

 

[bbninjas]

To be honest, I never really understood this weird "vote stolen" thing before, and trying to understand it now is doing my head in. >.>

I was going to quote these before but didn't get time; take a look at quaking's recent posts:

@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK If you believe that there are scummier players in the game than yourself, and you voted me, does that mean that you consider me scummy?

It's fine. Just try to be more active in the future.

What sketchy actions of TLS's are you referring to?

Why did you claim that without pressure?

I wasn't aware I had any questions to answer. Direct me towards them, and I will gladly answer them.

Alright, my phone is being annoying right now and I can't quote posts. Lorde, last game I was indie and I mentioned there possibly being an indie early on, which could give NP's theory a little credibility. Mariano, why are you rolefishing Nick, especially since he previously mentioned he won't be on for the rest of the day?

So, why haven't you used it? I don't recall seeing any messages of the sort in an update. The only thing I remember seeing was the strange message TLS posted a while back, but that wasn't in an update.

Notice how these are predominantly focused on asking questions about roles (potential roles, claiming roles, players rolefishing; bolded), or involve Quaking defending himself (italics). The posts remaining ask other questions, but Quaking never really does anything with the answers he receives. He hasn't been making any actual scumhunt contributions/alignment discussion, and only role-based discussion. (If you don't understand how this is scummy, consider that mafia know everyone's alignments, but don't know everyone's roles.)

##UNVOTE ##VOTE: quakingpunch

 

[bbninjas]

When you forget the quotes cause the text to be automatically italicised...

You should be able to figure out which parts of quaking's posts are defending himself.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Well, I was waiting to see how the first night played through so I could consider the damage dealt to this community and post this upcoming in game night. That is what I believed would be best

Couldn't you have just said something like "Hello world"?

I was coached by bb my first game a long time ago, and he ordered me to be confused and not understand stuff,

Well tell BB that's annoying for everyone else playing the darn game. :UU

I absolutely hate this theory. Hate it. Never works, besides that one occurrence almost a year ago, I've never seen this work elsewhere.

This.

Yeah the theory is generally misused because every indie on site has learned from the mistakes of the past that this always comes up. Nick hasn't been given that.

There's nothing under "This." Can you show me the post I should respond to again?

I don’t follow.

-TLS realizes he was called out for his OMGUSing
-TLS probably was like FL and didn't think things through
-TLS asks in thread for help isn't scummy at all, so nothing here
-TLS wants to know who killed his ally so he can kill them next night

^This could have been that list you posted. None of the observations besides the third pointed towards town necessarily for me at all.

 

[quakingpunch73]

Notice how these are predominantly focused on asking questions about roles (potential roles, claiming roles, players rolefishing; bolded), or involve Quaking defending himself (italics). The posts remaining ask other questions, but Quaking never really does anything with the answers he receives. He hasn't been making any actual scumhunt contributions/alignment discussion, and only role-based discussion. (If you don't understand how this is scummy, consider that mafia know everyone's alignments, but don't know everyone's roles.)

##UNVOTE ##VOTE: quakingpunch

This is because that's where the majority of the discussion lies right now: about role spec. And who is to say that asking questions doesn't help me develop reads towards other players that you aren't aware of, since I haven't said them yet?

 

[GM DracLord]

Day 02 - P08

The following Vote Count is true up to Post #331

It takes a majority of 5 to lynch.
In the event of the majority vote isn't achieved, the person with the highest vote will be lynch.
In the unlikely event of a tie, an RNG will be use to decide the lynch candidate.

Vote Count - Players
1 -TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
1 - quakingpunch73
0 - Lord o da rings

Spoiler: Vote Summary

This vote summary only reflect the Vote/Unvote posted in the thread.
bbninjas #271 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (Unvoted - #297)
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK #281 - quakingpunch73 (Unvoted - #288)
Lord o da rings #282 - TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK #288 - The Last Shaymin
bbninjas #297 - Lord o da rings (Unvoted - #328)
bbninjas #328 - quakingpunch73

> The Following Players need to increase their activity (Lvl 1)
- @The Last Shaymin (1/8)
> The Following Players are close to be on the above list (Lvl 2)
- @mordacazir (4/8)
> The Following Players in marginally safe from the above list (Lvl 3)
____________________________________________________________
Day 02 ends at > 30th December 2017 (0300 PM) [GMT+8]

Countdown Timer

*If you can't be online for more than 24 hours please do tell me in advance in PM.

 

[Mariano11887]

So I'm controlling his vote? That's new.

There are 2 possibilities here:
- Someone else's ability controled TLS's vote and reassigned to who you voted.
- You are lying.

Notice how these are predominantly focused on asking questions about roles (potential roles, claiming roles, players rolefishing; bolded), or involve Quaking defending himself (italics). The posts remaining ask other questions, but Quaking never really does anything with the answers he receives. He hasn't been making any actual scumhunt contributions/alignment discussion, and only role-based discussion. (If you don't understand how this is scummy, consider that mafia know everyone's alignments, but don't know everyone's roles.)

##UNVOTE ##VOTE: quakingpunch

I don't think quaking is scum. If you look at the votation of Day 1, FL kept his vote on quaking for the whole day and I don't see a reason why Mafia members would do that between them.

Sincerelly, it's being really difficult for me to suspect of anybody right now, and that's not good, we have less than a day left to lynch someone.

 

[quakingpunch73]

I'm going to ##Vote: Nick right now, since not using his ability is suspicious, and we have a tie right now.

 

[Mariano11887]

Quaking, why are you voting Nick after telling me this?:

Mariano, why are you rolefishing Nick, especially since he previously mentioned he won't be on for the rest of the day?

You chased me because I was "rolefishing" Nick when he could not respond, and now you vote him knowing he cannot defend himself for being on V/LA. I see something scummy here...

 

[Mariano11887]

I recall my last post. I just realized that Nick saying that thing about his ability was after that quaking's post. My bad.

 

[bbninjas]

-TLS realizes he was called out for his OMGUSing New players will generally not understand OMGUS and won't react to it. The way TLS worded the post where he admits "that didn't work" lends to my theory, unless TLS is playing rather elaborately.
-TLS probably was like FL and didn't think things through Of course this is possible, but you can also say this about everyone.
-TLS asks in thread for help isn't scummy at all, so nothing here
-TLS wants to know who killed his ally so he can kill them next night What TLS asked is ambiguous; it doesn't specify if he's asking about a "how" or a "who", but in light of the rest of this, I think it was the former.

^This could have been that list you posted. None of the observations besides the third pointed towards town necessarily for me at all.

Bolded.

This is because that's where the majority of the discussion lies right now: about role spec. And who is to say that asking questions doesn't help me develop reads towards other players that you aren't aware of, since I haven't said them yet?

The majority of the discussion being role spec is because you've been swinging it that way. If you're scumhunting based primarily on roles and similar, then you're characteristic of scum taking the easier scumhunting route (as said already); plus role-hunts are typically misleading.

I don't think quaking is scum. If you look at the votation of Day 1, FL kept his vote on quaking for the whole day and I don't see a reason why Mafia members would do that between them.

This is a good point. I wouldn't say that FL parked his vote, since he stopped posting not longer after voting quaking, and so he probably would have changed it if he had returned. Mafia members do vote each other because otherwise it'd be far too easy to determine who's avoiding who, although FL doing that (or being told to do that) is less likely as he's new.

I'm reading Nick as leaning town, and think that quaking has more of a chance of flipping mafia than Nick does, but neither are really great. :/

 

[bbninjas]

I'm going to ##Vote: Nick right now, since not using his ability is suspicious, and we have a tie right now.

Why is Nick not using an announcement ability suspicious?

 

[Lorde]

There's nothing under "This." Can you show me the post I should respond to again?

By that I meant I agreed with you, since I also didn't know what I needed to respond to.

The majority of the discussion being role spec is because you've been swinging it that way. If you're scumhunting based primarily on roles and similar, then you're characteristic of scum taking the easier scumhunting route (as said already); plus role-hunts are typically misleading.

Agreeing with this. Everyone remember he started this at the beginning of Day 1, and this is a valid point.

 

[bbninjas]

There is a bit over half the day remaining. Those who do not vote are not helping the town (in fact, you really should have voted someone 24+ hours ago, even if you end up changing it). I