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##VOTE: quakingpunch73 for wariness concerning me
##VOTE: quakingpunch73 for wariness concerning me
Finished Mafia XLVII: The New Era (Fairy Tail)
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It's the holidays, the inactive clause now in general needs to be a lot looser right now.
Btw guys, the day is about half over. I'm gonna ##VOTE: TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK, because he's likely to get modkilled and I'd rather not have the game balance ruined with more modkills. Don't turbo-lynch, we still have enough time to figure out a better plan if there is one.
Morda has literally only posted this all day:
If he's able to get away with that, and I'm "inactive" when I have 3 times the posts (all much longer than his), then the calculation system is flawed, just saying. :L
Btw guys, the day is about half over. I'm gonna ##VOTE: TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK, because he's likely to get modkilled and I'd rather not have the game balance ruined with more modkills. Don't turbo-lynch, we still have enough time to figure out a better plan if there is one.
I think someone pointed this out already, but Nick could've forgotten to dumbtell here. It's not really a scum point but it's something I'm looking at rn.
And this is what everyone's been talking about. Whether or not he was actually fluff posting, he acknowledged that he was going to "post fluff" and continued doing it anyways.
All of this is basically suspicion on a player because of a grudge from last game. Terrible suspicion, but he's looking at inactives (which he wasn't as much of yesterday).
Now this is something. Quaking never actually voted for Nick, but Nick's voting for him because he's concerned about Nick's alignment, this is basically an indirect OMGUS. OMGUS intensifies.
I think the main scummy points from him are the forgetting to dumbtell, and what I'd say is an OMGUS for basically no reason.
I'm sorry for my actions this game. I have been a bit unstable over the past few IRL days and wasn't able to post due to my parents blocking the site. Today I finally decided that I was done with it and turned on my mobile data. That should explain my situation well enough.
Well, that last vote from Nick to Quaking with such an absurd reasoning is convincing me he is more scummy.
I believe that I am being indirectly targeted by you guys when there are certainly more scummy people in the game than me. To tell the truth I was just trying to keep from being modkilled there while I decide on TLS. As many of you were last game I am now wary of new players scum potential. This would sound like I'm trying to bounce attention off me but, there is no way for someone as unpersuasive as me.
K, that explains your inactivity. Nothing else.
That was the OMGUS I was talking about.
Okay. If you believe there're scummier people in the game, tell us who they are and build a case on them. You entered the day halfway through and OMGUS someone who suspected you. That reeks of scum. I'm looking forward to reading your case.
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK If you believe that there are scummier players in the game than yourself, and you voted me, does that mean that you consider me scummy?
Not at all. After analysis I have come up with my true thoughts:
##unvote:quakingpunch73
##vote:TheLastShaymin
For refusing to answer the same question twice, inactivity with no reason as of yet, and taking my word on Pinapl. The mistake there is that nobody should ever take my word on a player. To answer BB, I posted the fluff because it was what was on my mind and the time. Sorry for the late response.
I quite like this post. Reads as very genuine to me, even though the OMGUS was certainly not good.
I was not trying to OMGUS quaking but merely trying to avoid a modkill due to my involuntary inactivity.
Oh, hey, sorry guys for the inactivity. I was busy playing legend of Zelda botw on vacation. I have just been playing that, hope that is enough explanation. I just want to know how all this scumhunting stuff works. I am pretty much just reading the posts and thinking to myself, "ooh hey look that guy voted for me that's pretty sketchy right guys???" As you can see, that is probably not the best strategy. But I can tell you that that dead mafia member during the night is interesting to me. I wonder who killed them?
Yes, we know a Mafia member is dead. I suspect a rogue independent killed her m due to there only being townies, mafia, and independents being in this game. Just because someone voted for you it is nothing sketchy, they just went back through the thread history and pointed out al your sketchy actions.
It's fine. Just try to be more active in the future.
What sketchy actions of TLS's are you referring to?
100% this.
You didn't need to vote for someone to acknowledge your presence.
How is someone voting you sketchy, you're more scummy than townie atm? Oh and speculating about who killed them is useless. Vigilante or Killing Indie, either way it doesn't matter right now.
What you should be doing is scumhunting to figure that out, and you can learn how to do it by looking at the terms and guidelines. That's a start. Surface speculation won't get us anywhere.
Am I glad to see both Nick and TSL posting! Now we can actually play the game.
Major townie points to Mariano for getting discussion moving by pressuring people to post their thoughts, and some FoS at those who should have read Mariano's original post (e.g. quaking, lorde, NP) and posted something.
Major townie points to Mariano for getting discussion moving by pressuring people to post their thoughts, and some FoS at those who should have read Mariano's original post (e.g. quaking, lorde, NP) and posted something.
"true thoughts"? Were your other thoughts/vote not "true"?
Regarding TLS, do you remember when you were playing your first mafia game? Did you, by any chance, act similarly to TLS? (Trying to survive, or being too trusting, or sometimes ignoring things because you are confused/don't really know what to say?)
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This is a very interesting response, because Aqua admits that he posted some fluff and he did it because he didn't really know what to say. It's very honest, as NP was saying.
@The Last Shaymin; to scumhunt, you need to first figure out what a normal town player should be doing. Because the scum are pretending that they are town, you should look for people that don't quite match up to being a normal town player. The people who don't match up are more likely to be scum pretending (they are "scummy").
- TLS observes that his previous attempts to scumhunt (voting people who vote him) doesn't work
--- TLS probably thought this was sketchy since he knows that he's town (assuming he actually is town), and voting town is scummy, right? In fact, it would have be odd if TLS is scum and have this reason, because TLS would have only given it if he had remembered that everyone else doesn't know his alignment, yet it is the opposite that is is implied through his posts.
- TLS wants to improve and asks in thread for help. Why didn't he ask in the scumchat if he was scum?
- TLS shows he is trying to participate by commenting on the dead mafia member, as TLS has likely concluded that his own team wouldn't have killed him (despite the scum typically doing the killing), and would like an explanation to fill the knowledge gap.
So, I'm reading TLS as town.
On the other hand, I get scummy vibes from this post especially. It's very tunnel-y, and there's no apparent consideration for the fact that both Aqua and TLS are still rather new in Lorde's questions/reads. For example, "How is someone voting you sketchy, you're more scummy than townie atm?" is a question that one wouldn't ask if they were considering that TLS is new in their scumhunt. I generally FoS anyone who focuses significantly on new players in their scumhunt, because its easy to make those people look scummy and consequently get them lynched. In fact, lord has been focusing on new players for the majority of the game!
##UNVOTE: Aqua
##VOTE: Lord o
This is also a very genuine post:
- TLS observes that his previous attempts to scumhunt (voting people who vote him) doesn't work
--- TLS probably thought this was sketchy since he knows that he's town (assuming he actually is town), and voting town is scummy, right? In fact, it would have be odd if TLS is scum and have this reason, because TLS would have only given it if he had remembered that everyone else doesn't know his alignment, yet it is the opposite that is is implied through his posts.
- TLS wants to improve and asks in thread for help. Why didn't he ask in the scumchat if he was scum?
- TLS shows he is trying to participate by commenting on the dead mafia member, as TLS has likely concluded that his own team wouldn't have killed him (despite the scum typically doing the killing), and would like an explanation to fill the knowledge gap.
So, I'm reading TLS as town.
On the other hand, I get scummy vibes from this post especially. It's very tunnel-y, and there's no apparent consideration for the fact that both Aqua and TLS are still rather new in Lorde's questions/reads. For example, "How is someone voting you sketchy, you're more scummy than townie atm?" is a question that one wouldn't ask if they were considering that TLS is new in their scumhunt. I generally FoS anyone who focuses significantly on new players in their scumhunt, because its easy to make those people look scummy and consequently get them lynched. In fact, lord has been focusing on new players for the majority of the game!
##UNVOTE: Aqua
##VOTE: Lord o
I kinda agree with bbninjas until a certain point. I'm also reading last TLS's and Nick's posts as genuine, but I can't clear them yet, I only see them a bit townier than before. Please @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK and @The Last Shaymin , take this as an example that keeping active in the thread and saying exactly what you think make you see more townier. Unless you are scum, right? 
Regarding Lorde, what bb said is a possiblitity. I'd like to see her response to make a judgement.
Regarding Lorde, what bb said is a possiblitity. I'd like to see her response to make a judgement.
You say this as you really started the push on the Nick case. Don't flip this on me because of really weak and misinterpreted reads~ <3
No, I'm not tunneling. I've actually made the case that tunneling newbies is a horrible idea because they're easy prey. Besides, tunneling involves there being logic saying other people are scummy, so who exactly? Logic only points me to Nick rn, no one else. Even though I'm more adversed to applying huge amounts of pressure (which I haven't even) to newer players, they still have the same chances of rolling scum as any of us.
I'm trying to help them if they're town, if you read carefully. I gave TLS suggestions on what to do to get himself started. No s--- that voting town is a good thing, but the mindset he had was entirely wrong (and unhelpful) and I was pointing that out to him. I don't think TLS is scummy, I was saying he's being read by the town as scummy. I think Nick is acc scummy, but he's somewhat redeemed himself. My first points on him still stand.
This is also false. Even though I was involved in a lot of conversation involving new players, I have not pointed out a single one as scummy until Nick (PineApl was an inactive pressure vote). Gekki was the main person, really the only person, I analyzed and pushed as scum. And Gekki also happens to not be new.
And while I'm at it, reads:
TOWN:
- Mariano ~ Holding himself in a really similar manner to last game. Town
- NP ~ Still being generally really helpful, not acting his scum-meta. Town
NEUTRAL:
- bbninjas ~ He's not acting like a power-wolf like he does when scum. Still a tough person to read in general. Neutral, Town Leaning
- TLS ~ Still haven't seen enough from him. Neutral
- quaking ~ Flying under the radar a bit. Neutral, Scum Leaning
SCUM:
- Nick ~ I've said why, but it's still a lighter read. Scum
- Mariano ~ Holding himself in a really similar manner to last game. Town
- NP ~ Still being generally really helpful, not acting his scum-meta. Town
NEUTRAL:
- bbninjas ~ He's not acting like a power-wolf like he does when scum. Still a tough person to read in general. Neutral, Town Leaning
- TLS ~ Still haven't seen enough from him. Neutral
- quaking ~ Flying under the radar a bit. Neutral, Scum Leaning
SCUM:
- Nick ~ I've said why, but it's still a lighter read. Scum
Good response.
I agree with your reads beside NP, who I also feel has been flying under the radar, although not to the same extent as Quaking. Being a leaning scum read, perhaps you could be pressuring him as well?
The difference being that I have not been focusing on new players, like Aqua.
I agree with your reads beside NP, who I also feel has been flying under the radar, although not to the same extent as Quaking. Being a leaning scum read, perhaps you could be pressuring him as well?
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