Finished Mafia XXXIX: Superheroes Vs Supervillains - Mafia has won!

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How is "Have the suspicious people defend themself and decide after" not effective when it comes to killing scum?

I agree to the cake part not really beeing that effective
Oh. I was moreso speaking about the draw thing and everyone living.

Organized voting is a good idea.
 
Well, I've got school, so I don't have enough time to build a case unless I use my Humanities block, and I'm not going to just let myself get lynched. I'll see what I can do to build a case on NP.
 
These are in a misc. order because I'm trying to write this before I get lynched. I also expect that this is a really bad case and that I'm bitter in some of these statements, but with the time crunch and being in class, this is the best I can do.

To clarify, the question is "Why did you believe it was either him or you?" During RVS, the votes don't truly matter, as we should never get a lynch out of it. There was no way the lynch was only between you two (since it was just RVS) and you should have known that.
P.S. I consider it scummy as a) it could be manipulating the newbies to hammer early and waste an entire day or b) it is polarization, which is a common scum tactic.
I think you misread my post. At the time I'd posted that message, I was referring to who had the most votes.
That's dodging the question. Why, when the day was so early, did you believe that the two lynch candidates were already decided?
I thought I answered this. I never thought they were decided.
Did you realize that it could be be taken by the newbies as legitimately requesting a hammer of Prof. P?
As Celever said, this is hugely stretching what I said. Requesting a hammer? He wasn't even in hammer range.
Look at the master doc, where a lot of scumtells are listed. Try to point out players committing those scumtells. So far, the inactivity has been so extreme that we don't have much to analyze, but as more post and give their opinions, we can find more scumtells.

Could you clarify this?

Only IRL.
How is this extreme inactivity?
This from the guy who was getting on Carson's case for tagging. I find it a bit ironic.
Rainy is pretty new, and does a lot of crazy things. If any other experienced player brought it up, I would be giving them attention.
This doesn't mean that we shouldn't be pressuring him on it to some degree, new or not. You're saying "Oh, he's new," and ignoring him when he could be scum. I believe he also played in last game.
My vote was still on you. If I found your defense good enough, I would have switched my vote.

Besides you, the scumreads are very light. Lord has done some scummy stuff, but it fits her meta pretty well and she looks to be improving. Quaking has been lurking a lot while not posting, which correlates with him being scum. Blakers has been nowhere near as helpful/contributing as he has been in the past, but it's Day 1 and he has no TGK to constantly tag him, so there's plenty of time for that to change.
Again, I'm a little confused as to why you replied to something that wasn't directed at you. Potential buddying, although I doubt it. In addition, Quaking's been on V/LA, so he has a bit of leeway with posting.
 
Day 1: Final Votecount

The people who are being voted are in chronological order

8 votes for a majority

The player with the most votes is tagged

If you think there’s anything wrong, just ask

EeveeTheFishey 0: Lord o da rings (vote)
NinjaPenguin 3: Vracken (vote) | Celever (vote) | PikaMasterJesi (vote)
Professor Palutena 1: Celever (vote) | Little Cherrim (vote) | rainyman123 (vote) | Lord o da Rings (vote) | PikaMasterJesi (vote) | Celever (vote) | rainyman123 (vote)
Vracken 1: mirdo (vote) |
@PikaMasterJesi 4: Quakingpunch73 (vote) | Tempest (vote) | NinjaPenguin (vote) | Professor Palutena (vote)
mirdo 0: NinjaPenguin (vote) |
Little Cherrim 0: NinjaPenguin (vote) | rainyman123 (vote) |
quakingpunch73 1: Blakers (vote) |
Blakers 1: TheSceptileMaster (vote) |
Tempest 0: PikaMasterJesi (vote) |
Celever 0: Professor Palutena (vote) |
rainyman123 1: PikaMasterJesi (vote) | Lord o da rings (vote)

Not Voting: EeveeTheFishey | Little Cherrim



NIGHT 1

There were a couple people that had been at risk of getting killed today. But it seems the one that chose to wear an entirely black costume during the day was the most suspicious.
"I'm Batman! You can't kill me!" Shouted the victim.
"Actually we can, says right here in the rules."
"But those doesn't matter because I'm B-"
Suddenly an energy beam came from out of nowhere and hit Batman, resulting in his death.
"I never really did like it when he said that. Now let's see who it was shall we?"
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You are Batman and you are aligned with the Superheroes. You don’t have any special powers, but you are able to use your intellect, technology and hand-to-hand combat in battle. Ever since you inherited Wayne Enterprises from your parents, you’ve also been filthy rich.

Passive Ability: The Batcave

The Bat Cave is your secret hideout that you use as a command center. Very few people know it’s location and sometimes, you can find those people there. During night 0, you will find someone in the batcave and receive a link to a quicktopic so you can talk to them.

Win Condition: Eliminate all players not aligned with the Superheroes
"Wow, that really was Batman."

Night 1 has started. No player is allowed to post here during the night. All players may now use their night actions, if they have any.

Night 1 will end on Sunday at 5pm EST.
 
DAY 2

scattered mind looked at the big screen, showing him the city. "DoS! Any reports from last night?"
"Nope, I can't find who was the person that was in contact with Batman before he died" said DoS.
"Well did you check that bat cave?" scattered ask.
"Well, I tried" said DoS. "But I was too busy watching the battle of that super fire man".
"Oh, yeah, it was a long one. I fell asleep in the middle. Did he win?" scattered asked.
"Well.."

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You are Human Torch and you are aligned with the Superheroes. After your spacecraft got hit by cosmic rays, your life was changed forever, and you became really hot. Not in a good way, but in an even better way. You can control fire, and while this may be simple, it is pretty effective in fighting evil.

Active Ability: Flame On!

Each night, you may PM the hosts the name of a player. You will light everything around them with powerful flames, keeping them where they are. As a result, that player will not be able to use any actions during that night.

Win Condition: Eliminate all players not aligned with the Superheroes

There are 12 players alive. Majority to lynch is 7.

Day 2 will end on Friday at 7pm EST

@mordacazir has subbed in instead of EeveeTheFishy.
@bbninjas has subbed in instead of quakingpunch73.
 
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Celever predicted that he would be killed Night 1. NinjaPenguin, who also commented on the subject, was killed instead. But Celever, being an experienced player, probably wouldn't do that if he were scum. It would be too obvious. But that makes trying to set Celever up seem obvious too. So my thoughts are that we have at least one fairly inexperienced player who is scum. Does that make any sense to you guys?
 
Celever predicted that he would be killed Night 1. NinjaPenguin, who also commented on the subject, was killed instead. But Celever, being an experienced player, probably wouldn't do that if he were scum. It would be too obvious. But that makes trying to set Celever up seem obvious too. So my thoughts are that we have at least one fairly inexperienced player who is scum. Does that make any sense to you guys?
Anything said in the pre-game is completely irrelevant.
 
Huh I thought I posted who else I meant to vote for but apparently not!

##Vote: ProfessorPalutena

Do not expect me to explain, but something's going off only my scumdar that says that PP is scum. And while I'm not really good at mafia, I've got pretty good instincts when it comes to trying to determine who is mafia. Example I do it all the time IRL mafia, which I don't think it's much different, having instincts on who's mafia and whos not, and it's not determined by anything other than random guessing and of course seomtimes other reasons like change in behavior. And also in the last game I absolutely knew that TGK was scum and was pretty sure on BB, and it turned out I was right.
I just realized I kind of already explained it xD. My reason was that my scumdar is going off and I just find you scummy, and I have rather nice instincts.
My scumdar is broken and randomly activates, as I said, it's just random instinct. By the way if your going to then ask why I didn't vote you in my first post I'll say I have no clue why, it just kind of happens as we go along that I find people scummy. I'm not really good at explaining things, so I'm unable to tell people why. Of course then that kind of makes it look like I'm hiding something which gets me lynched, which is what I'm trying to stop. I want to explain things better it's just not something I do very well. Well, TGK I knew for a fact wasn't because, while,I can't remember the situation, he said something that basically said that one of his abilities triggers when an ally is targeted or something and at the time i knew it wasn't true because something with my abilities basically made not true what he said, but since I couldn't explain it very well, I was eventually lynched. bb i think might've been a lucky guess but I'm just saying I'm pretty instinctive at knowing who's mafia, as I said, I do it all the time in real life, and in real life I've been trusted to the point where games end much faster now, but sometimes my instincts aren't right. And then of course there are times when I am mafia, which is like 1/1000 for me, and I don't know what th eheck i gotta do to win. This I've never won as mafia.
Okay, so you say your scumdar is almost always right/you have nice instincts, but it is also broken? Whut?
This is the one thing I thought was really strange, i'll look for more things later today.
 
Just a bit of context, I was reading along with this thread during Day 1, so these observations are me from the sidelines.

NP kill is weird because he was scummy and was a great look-into option for today. Thank you scum! ^.^

Regarding kills, if anything, I find it odd that a more experienced player did not die which is indication of one of these things:
- An experienced player is hiding amongst experienced players (unlikely because there was really only two I think)
- Someone smart wants to keep the experienced players around because they either aren't hunting scum (I think this VERY likely from observations during Day 1, see later) or is a gamble that they would push mislynches for the scum (which sorta goes hand and hand).
- They scun team is trying to outbluff the town (so WIFOM basically).

Also the Jesi lynch was terribly stupid and should not at all have happened. Day 1 discussion should also have not revolved around her, nor finished at her. This is what happens most Day 1s or Day 2s and is never ever productive. At least to me, she was quite clearly the normal scummy Jesi doing weird things, and while that doesn't inherently mean she is town, it in no way means she is scum. This is a lynch that could've waited a few day phases, if at all.

I'm going to give @Professor Palutena the benefit of the doubt because I don't think he fully gets Jesi yet, but still some FOS on him. That said, huge FOS to all the apathetic players who just let this lynch sit by and happen. Which is most of you. Double FOS if you left your vote on whoever you voted during RVS, because that's unproductive and optimal for not attaching yourself to a town lynch (classic scum play).

So tl;dr before my next post:
- NP kill is weird
- Jesi lynch was stupid
- FOS at anyone who just let the Jesi lynch happen
- FOS at anyone who left their vote on whoever they RVS'd
 
Yes. I agree. The Jesi lynch was weird. And i said that everybody who had at least 2 votes in the privious voting count thing should have made a case against them selfs. Or at least against someone else. And i didnt want to randomly vote for who ever because of obvious reasons so i just didnt switch. Because there wasnt really any one bothered to swing attentiom to someone else.

As on the topic of NP getting killed: it does seem odd yes. But could mean anything. I just dont think that we can really tell the reason behind that after Day 1.
Blakers jumping instantly jumping to defend Celever does seem odd aswell. Again. Im not pointing fingers. Just observating.
 
"- FOS at anyone who left their vote on whoever they RVS' ------> I do want to clarify this; I'm not FOSing you if you RVS'd on Jesi but actively contributed in pushing her lynch, even though the lynch was stupid. :p

Also something I wrote while I was spectating sums up the above post p'good:
Anyway... town is wasting their time on Jesi. Jesi is not going to stop being scummy and she's a lynch option if nothing better comes up (cause she can be hard to read accurately), but hunting only her will mean that nothing better will come up. FOS at everyone sitting around apathetically.

I think this Celever vs Professor P thing is townie vs townie, possibly townie vs scum. Here's a number of the factors as to why I think that:
- Celever would predictably defend Jesi (regardless of alignment sure) anyways
- I don't think PP realised the extent of Jesi's meta
- I don't find either party particularly "off" in the first place
- PP and Celever both find themselves townie vs townie early game regularly
- the nightkill and my prediction that the experienced players aren't hunting scum
- gut feeling

Here's some townie reads:
- @TheSceptileMaster I appreciate the active attempt to contribute and give thoughts on things. It's a very welcome improvement and quite pro-town, hence why I'm reading town here. My only problem is that he left his vote on his RVS player.
- @rainyman He feels like the rainyman of the past, but I think he's been at least trying to improve, and that's good enough for me not to worry about him Day 2.

Here's some more specific FOSes:
- @Blakers and @丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅 because both were lurking pretty heavily. Both also left their votes on their RVS targets, which is scummier moreso for Blakers.
- Same as to @Vracken, though apparently he just forgot about this thread, so it may not be indication of a scum alignment

I did pick up on a potential newbie scumtell very early on during Day 1, and I think it's still relevant enough to pursue:
Little Cherrim ignoring the vote/s on them and also voting Professor P without reason (potential buddying with Celever) is a potential newscum tell. New players normally would respond in some way, shape or form, unless they've been specifically told otherwise.

Basically I think that @Little Cherrim was told to not fall for any pressure in the scumchat. ##VOTE: Little Cherrim


 
Yes. I agree. The Jesi lynch was weird. And i said that everybody who had at least 2 votes in the privious voting count thing should have made a case against them selfs. Or at least against someone else. And i didnt want to randomly vote for who ever because of obvious reasons so i just didnt switch. Because there wasnt really any one bothered to swing attentiom to someone else.

As on the topic of NP getting killed: it does seem odd yes. But could mean anything. I just dont think that we can really tell the reason behind that after Day 1.
Blakers jumping instantly jumping to defend Celever does seem odd aswell. Again. Im not pointing fingers. Just observating.
If you think the Jesi lynch was weird, why didn't you do much about it?
 
I called for organized voting and them defending themselfs. What am i supposed to do else.
I wasnt in danger but i also wasnt convinced Jesi cant be scum. And if just started pointing fingers at s/o else they could've ganged up on me (if i hit a scum with that for example) and i wiuld've been the first out. So i chose that my work was done with that one thing i did.
I mean. Its not like i have an idea who would be a scum to lynch. So there is that
 
I called for organized voting and them defending themselfs. What am i supposed to do else.
Did you participate in "organised voting" or at least moved your vote to someone you actually found scummy? Just a little pointer, you will not be able to expect everyone to vote the same person - people aren't always going to agree - and you have to actually do a bit of pushing if you think someone is particularly scummy. :p

I wasnt in danger but i also wasnt convinced Jesi cant be scum. And if just started pointing fingers at s/o else they could've ganged up on me (if i hit a scum with that for example) and i wiuld've been the first out.
This is something you don't need to worry about, and this is why:
- Pointing fingers is how you play the game! If you don't point fingers, you can't find scum. :p
- Currently town actually outnumber the number of scum. That's why scum is the informed minority, so you won't really be "ganged up on"/
- Leading off that, scum can't realistically "gang up" on you, because then the scumteam would be very obvious if you flipped town.
- You don't need to worry about being the first out. Apart from the fact that I don't think you would've been the first one at regardless, you should be worried about getting the scum lynched instead of surviving. You wincon shouldn't say "survive to the end of the game" after all, if you are town. It should say something about having all the enemies dead. ;P

I suggest that you consider these things so that you aren't too worried about speaking up in future. Look at me - I speak a ton. =P

So i chose that my work was done with that one thing i did.
I mean. Its not like i have an idea who would be a scum to lynch. So there is that
Your opinion is completely valid, so I'd suggest that you do think a bit more about who you think is scum. You might even notice something that no one else has noticed! After all, everyone else can't do the scum-hunting for you! :p
 
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