Finished Mafia XXXIX: Superheroes Vs Supervillains - Mafia has won!

[Celever]

##UNVOTE: Did I even vote anyone?
##VOTE: mirdo

Your word choices are that of a minority. Scum are scared of lynches, townies are scared of nightkills. Lynches involve getting "ganged up on", while that doesn't really apply to nightkills at all.

"I'm scared to contribute" is something new players say as an easy excuse not to have opinions. It leads to them being worthless and, somewhat ironically, getting lynched early. If I'm wrong and you are town, don't be worthless.

While I generally don't like grouping players by experience in relation to nightkills once the game's started, I think it could be of relevance here. It's possible that the scumteam is comprised of Prof and new players. If this were the case, I would be the last on their hit list. I also think the kill would be logical for Prof because of his whole "rip that was my main townread!" post. That reads to me like "rip guess I'm good at reading people everybody trust me kkthx". I know it could be mafia trying to frame Prof and be all WIFOMy with their kill, but frankly I think this is something people want to happen because it's "legit stratz" more than it being a likely possibility. I can't think of a single games in several years where scum actively tried to frame someone with their kill, and if it has happened I'd be willing to bet a field and a donkey that it wasn't on Night 1. NP had the second-most votes on them at the end of the day; legitimate reasoning went behind his kill, which has made me more confident Prof could be scum.

@bb, while I defend easy targets, it's less relevant when almost the entire game is an easy target. I wouldn't say it's affiliation-unspecific necessarily. Regardless, your thoughts are great to read, and not as brain-achingly indie as last game!

 

[bbninjas]

##UNVOTE: Did I even vote anyone?
##VOTE: mirdo

Your word choices are that of a minority. Scum are scared of lynches, townies are scared of nightkills. Lynches involve getting "ganged up on", while that doesn't really apply to nightkills at all.

"I'm scared to contribute" is something new players say as an easy excuse not to have opinions. It leads to them being worthless and, somewhat ironically, getting lynched early. If I'm wrong and you are town, don't be worthless.

Mirdo's new and new town are very often scared of dying and it doesn't matter how. In fact, Jesi isn't new yet has been consistently scared of dying, but you didn't seem to find that a point to lynch her over in past games, from my memory. Since you're always so blunt to me; I think this case is silly. :L

If this were the case, I would be the last on their hit list.

Why? This doesn't make sense. If I was scum and if you were gunning for my lynch, I would very likely kill you Night 1, especially if we were the only particularly experienced player around. Most people won't notice this link until much later, so it's not really a high risk. Really the only reason I wouldn't kill you is if I was trying to outsmart the doctor.

I also think the kill would be logical for Prof because of his whole "rip that was my main townread!" post. That reads to me like "rip guess I'm good at reading people everybody trust me kkthx".

I agree that this is weird and a minor tell; it caught my attention too.

I know it could be mafia trying to frame Prof and be all WIFOMy with their kill, but frankly I think this is something people want to happen because it's "legit stratz" more than it being a likely possibility. I can't think of a single games in several years where scum actively tried to frame someone with their kill, and if it has happened I'd be willing to bet a field and a donkey that it wasn't on Night 1. NP had the second-most votes on them at the end of the day; legitimate reasoning went behind his kill, which has made me more confident Prof could be scum.

I'm really not following. I was thinking that the NP kill was unreasonable because he had the second-most votes on them at the end of the day - which makes it easier for them to be mislynched since Jesi flipped town. I'm also leaning towards the theory that a non-experienced player got killed because both you and PP were off track, because my own reads lines up with this.

@bb, while I defend easy targets, it's less relevant when almost the entire game is an easy target. I wouldn't say it's affiliation-unspecific necessarily.

I think defending Jesi is a neutral action, since you would probably defend Jesi as both scum and town. There's really no risk involved in defending her, it's basicially a win - you get town cred regardless of if she actually gets lynched. You've also defended her before for similar reasons, so that's another reason why I think this is affiliation-unspecific.

Regardless, your thoughts are great to read, and not as brain-achingly indie as last game!

Uh, yes, that's why you are not allowed to play mafia when I'm scum. >:UU

 

[mirdo]

The fridge is that logic of yours?
First you vote me for beeing intimidated by your Playstyle and you and PP pretty much poiniting fingers at everybody and aqqusing everybody of buddying. I do not not have opinions. I just dont wanna go compleatly over like some of you guys do.

Second then you write an whole article about PP probably beeing scum because the nightkill would make sense and so on and so forth. Why dont we vote him to lynch? As i think he would be a good candidate aswell. Or one of the inactives if you want to.
At least im trying to find myself into the game and give opinions on observations. Even if you claim me beeing "useless". Im still of more help then the others that are not contributing at all.

And i meant ganged up on as in: ok if i start eitch hunting x he and his scum friends may start turning on me in the lynching process. Obviously. I meam sure it would've been obvious if they did. But still. As i am a newer Player you might understand the "fear" of mine. And me beeing german is also a factor that might lead to "weird wording" here and there. Im not taking that as an excuse. Its just a thing i cant really control

Rn candidates as i think are Celever, PP and maybe Blakers. As i stated earlier already.

 

[bbninjas]

Also, I just want to say that when you revoted Professor P after voting him only a few pages before that, Celever, it amused me very much. xD

 

[bbninjas]

The fridge is that logic of yours?
First you vote me for beeing intimidated by your Playstyle and you and PP pretty much poiniting fingers at everybody and aqqusing everybody of buddying. I do not not have opinions. I just dont wanna go compleatly over like some of you guys do.

Second then you write an whole article about PP probably beeing scum because the nightkill would make sense and so on and so forth. Why dont we vote him to lynch? As i think he would be a good candidate aswell. Or one of the inactives if you want to.
At least im trying to find myself into the game and give opinions on observations. Even if you claim me beeing "useless". Im still of more help then the others that are not contributing at all.

And i meant ganged up on as in: ok if i start eitch hunting x he and his scum friends may start turning on me in the lynching process. Obviously. I meam sure it would've been obvious if they did. But still. As i am a newer Player you might understand the "fear" of mine. And me beeing german is also a factor that might lead to "weird wording" here and there. Im not taking that as an excuse. Its just a thing i cant really control

Rn candidates as i think are Celever, PP and maybe Blakers. As i stated earlier already.

Mirdo, you really should mention who your post is directed at; I got confused about who you were talking to (Celever) until I read a bit more.

Anyways, this defence just makes me believe stronger that your (Celever's) case on Mirdo is silly, since it's really not anything weird. He probably didn't read my own post beforehand either. Mirdo also mentioned a good point that I neglected to mention, his English clearly isn't as great as much of ours, and so I'm not sure why you're reading so much into wording.

 

[Scattered mind]

@Lord o da rings is on V/LA until Thursday

 

[Blakers]

"-

Here's some more specific FOSes:
- @Blakers and @丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅 because both were lurking pretty heavily. Both also left their votes on their RVS targets, which is scummier moreso for Blakers.

I did pick up on a potential newbie scumtell very early on during Day 1, and I think it's still relevant enough to pursue:


Basically I think that @Little Cherrim was told to not fall for any pressure in the scumchat. ##VOTE: Little Cherrim

Yeah, I know I need to up my activity. I didn't know who I could switch my vote to, I didn't pick up any specific scum reads because there was a lot of inactivity.

This is a good point about Little Cherrim. It would also explain NP's night kill, as his meta is lots and lots of pressure, and that's usually pretty bad for new players. Of course, if this is at all accurate, then we need to know @Little Cherrim 's past experience with Mafia. Would you please tell us if you've had any past Mafia experience?

##Vote: Little Cherrim

 

[Celever]

The fridge is that logic of yours?
First you vote me for beeing intimidated by your Playstyle and you and PP pretty much poiniting fingers at everybody and aqqusing everybody of buddying. I do not not have opinions. I just dont wanna go compleatly over like some of you guys do.

Second then you write an whole article about PP probably beeing scum because the nightkill would make sense and so on and so forth. Why dont we vote him to lynch? As i think he would be a good candidate aswell. Or one of the inactives if you want to.
At least im trying to find myself into the game and give opinions on observations. Even if you claim me beeing "useless". Im still of more help then the others that are not contributing at all.

And i meant ganged up on as in: ok if i start eitch hunting x he and his scum friends may start turning on me in the lynching process. Obviously. I meam sure it would've been obvious if they did. But still. As i am a newer Player you might understand the "fear" of mine. And me beeing german is also a factor that might lead to "weird wording" here and there. Im not taking that as an excuse. Its just a thing i cant really control

Rn candidates as i think are Celever, PP and maybe Blakers. As i stated earlier already.

Good response. ##UNVOTE: mirdo

Mirdo's new and new town are very often scared of dying and it doesn't matter how. In fact, Jesi isn't new yet has been consistently scared of dying, but you didn't seem to find that a point to lynch her over in past games, from my memory. Since you're always so blunt to me; I think this case is silly. :L

My case was just that he was scared of dying by means of lynch over nightkill. Could've been a freudian slip, but mirdo's response shot me down quite absolutely. :L

Why? This doesn't make sense. If I was scum and if you were gunning for my lynch, I would very likely kill you Night 1, especially if we were the only particularly experienced player around. Most people won't notice this link until much later, so it's not really a high risk. Really the only reason I wouldn't kill you is if I was trying to outsmart the doctor.

This is why I don't like making big posts on my phone. I forgot to finish the point Basically, in the game at that moment were me and Prof out of the "experienced" players category. Oftentimes, the last experienced player left alive ends up getting additional suspicion, if the other experienced players got targeted by nightkills. This tends to only be relevant in the late game, but considering there were a whole 2 experienced players at the time, I would be the absolute worst target for Prof, because logically he'd be next. Might redirect a doc for a night or two, but generally scum don't think that hard into their kills anyway.

I agree that this is weird and a minor tell; it caught my attention too.

But... we're not meant to agree on anything!

I'm really not following. I was thinking that the NP kill was unreasonable because he had the second-most votes on them at the end of the day - which makes it easier for them to be mislynched since Jesi flipped town. I'm also leaning towards the theory that a non-experienced player got killed because both you and PP were off track, because my own reads lines up with this.

I think we're saying the same thing but drawing opposite conclusions. We both agree that the NP kill was unreasonable, but from that I infer that there was good reasoning that went behind it. Nightkills are never arbitrary shots in the dark, and the default kill from the inexperienced player group would be someone who seldom contributed. An NP kill sparks discussion, which means the kill was meant as a means of directing this discussion. This discussion has one primary benefactor: Prof. Hence why I believe Prof is the likeliest scum right now.

But I don't think his lynch is likely. Experienced players don't get lynched before Day 4; new town are scared to lose that wise town direction, should the lynch be misguided and hit one of their own. It's annoying. :U

I think defending Jesi is a neutral action, since you would probably defend Jesi as both scum and town. There's really no risk involved in defending her, it's basicially a win - you get town cred regardless of if she actually gets lynched. You've also defended her before for similar reasons, so that's another reason why I think this is affiliation-unspecific.

IDK, I don't use WIFOM really. But sure

Uh, yes, that's why you are not allowed to play mafia when I'm scum. >:UU

There's a reason I offered to sub; it was too painful to spectate :3

##VOTE: Blakers. No, it's not a good case. Excellent bandwagon. I'll go into it later but rn I wanna play some Splatoon before I have to go to my Dad's SORRY PRIORITIES :U

@bbninjas in case you come on before I shoot down your Little Cherrim case, share your second-best read please. This post seems to imply you have more than 2 scumreads, and I'm very interested who else is on the list.

 

[Blakers]

##VOTE: Blakers. No, it's not a good case. Excellent bandwagon. I'll go into it later but rn I wanna play some Splatoon before I have to go to my Dad's SORRY PRIORITIES :U

@bbninjas in case you come on before I shoot down your Little Cherrim case, share your second-best read please. This post seems to imply you have more than 2 scumreads, and I'm very interested who else is on the list.

I understand that it could seem like bandwagon, but I'm trying to contribute what I can, and I said what I honestly thought. But I need to know why my case is poorly executed, so I can be of more help. So what exactly is wrong with my case?

 

[TheSceptileMaster]

@bbninjas, the only reason I kept my vote on Little Cherrim was since they didn't contribute a lot, and to get them to post some more
@Celever I agree with your theory and the night kill choice explanation. It could very well mean that @Professor Palutena is scum. Additionally as I read the previous day's posts, a triangle of players came up. PikaMasterJesu is targeted by most, Professor Palutena is targetted by some, and as far as I remember, NinjaPenguin targeted him the most, in terms of case. We can see if the triangle is correct and scum is WIFOMing is we figure out PP's side.

 

[丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅]

"
Here's some more specific FOSes:
- @Blakers and @丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅 because both were lurking pretty heavily. Both also left their votes on their RVS targets, which is scummier moreso for Blakers.

I was lurking mostly because I'm still inexperienced and was trying to get a hold on the situation, which I did not quite understand. It didn't help that when I actually posted with what I'd observed, no one really responded to it except for TSM, who just agreed with me, so I had no idea if what I was saying made sense. I kept my vote on Jesi because there was no other solid lynch option since a lot of people were inactive. Little Cherrim was on my list, but he/she promised to contribute some more, so I stopped pressuring him/her and just left my vote on Jesi, who was the only one who had a clear case on her. And I have no idea what her playstyle is, so I assumed everyone else was correct in saying that she was acting out of the ordinary.

"
I did pick up on a potential newbie scumtell very early on during Day 1, and I think it's still relevant enough to pursue:


Basically I think that @Little Cherrim was told to not fall for any pressure in the scumchat. ##VOTE: Little Cherrim

It is also important to note:

The reason I haven't been posting much, is that I don't feel I can contribute to the discussion much. If you fellows would like, I could try.

Says he/she is going to post, then waits two days until right before Day 1 ended to say:

##Unvote ProfesorPalutena
I need to reread all of this to formulate my opinion a bit better.

Takes off her RVS vote.

We may post now?

Yes.

Doesn't post anything after this.

 

[Celever]

Yeah, I know I need to up my activity. I didn't know who I could switch my vote to, I didn't pick up any specific scum reads because there was a lot of inactivity.

This is a good point about Little Cherrim. It would also explain NP's night kill, as his meta is lots and lots of pressure, and that's usually pretty bad for new players. Of course, if this is at all accurate, then we need to know @Little Cherrim 's past experience with Mafia. Would you please tell us if you've had any past Mafia experience?

##Vote: Little Cherrim

Why do you think what bb said is a good point? I'll debunk it once I get a response.

Also, literally the entire game is comprised of new players. Jesi and NP were two of the absolute most experienced, so the whole "NP's meta is bad for new players" is by no means exclusive to him.

 

[Professor Palutena]

FOS on Blakers. You were absent from the entirety of Day 1 (and if you did post, you were totally forgettable which is the same thing in my opinion). Then you start today off with an evident bandwagon vote.

It's possible that the scumteam is comprised of Prof and new players. If this were the case, I would be the last on their hit list. I also think the kill would be logical for Prof because of his whole "rip that was my main townread!" post. That reads to me like "rip guess I'm good at reading people everybody trust me kkthx". I know it could be mafia trying to frame Prof and be all WIFOMy with their kill, but frankly I think this is something people want to happen because it's "legit stratz" more than it being a likely possibility. I can't think of a single games in several years where scum actively tried to frame someone with their kill, and if it has happened I'd be willing to bet a field and a donkey that it wasn't on Night 1. NP had the second-most votes on them at the end of the day; legitimate reasoning went behind his kill, which has made me more confident Prof could be scum.

I think you could have a potential career in being a conspiracy theorist, provided the pay is decent.

I do find it interesting that you're more confident in me being scum and then vote for Mirdo, and then Blakers. Are you afraid to bus your buddy? :U

Mirdo is fine and I don't get the poor case you made.

Experienced players don't get lynched before Day 4; new town are scared to lose that wise town direction, should the lynch be misguided and hit one of their own. It's annoying. :U

I find this peculiar, given that my experience in past games has often proved the opposite of this (I've been killed Night 1 many times despite being that wise town direction, and I've been lynched Day 1 multiple times even though I have the experience). Your statement doesn't add up, as the evidence suggests that scum target the experienced players first, as it gives them a strategic edge over the remaining players.

Regarding kills, if anything, I find it odd that a more experienced player did not die which is indication of one of these things:
- An experienced player is hiding amongst experienced players (unlikely because there was really only two I think)
- Someone smart wants to keep the experienced players around because they either aren't hunting scum (I think this VERY likely from observations during Day 1, see later) or is a gamble that they would push mislynches for the scum (which sorta goes hand and hand).

Scum Celever would fit both of these perfectly, and it's especially convincing with the post from Celever I just quoted. Something is off here and I can't perfectly explain it, but it's definitely there.

##VOTE: Celever

 

[Celever]

FOS on Blakers. You were absent from the entirety of Day 1 (and if you did post, you were totally forgettable which is the same thing in my opinion). Then you start today off with an evident bandwagon vote.


I think you could have a potential career in being a conspiracy theorist, provided the pay is decent.

It's not particularly conspiracy theoristy considering the whole game is new players besides me and you (and now bb, but he wasn't around last night). If you're scum, your teammates would by extension be comprised of entirely new players, cos I'm not one of them.

I do find it interesting that you're more confident in me being scum and then vote for Mirdo, and then Blakers. Are you afraid to bus your buddy? :U

I already explained this with the next thing you arbitrarily took issue with. When a resource is scarce, people like to protect it. When there are 3 experienced players left in the game, the inexperienced on the town want to protect them. Obviously scum is a different matter, and usually experienced players are the first to be nightkilled. That's why NP's death is so notable; it's abnormal. And it only makes sense if you're scum, really.

Mirdo is fine and I don't get the poor case you made.

By now it's painstakingly obvious that it was to gauge a reaction. I don't get why you're so desperate to try and discredit me, what with the nightkill of my top scum read and now this!

I find this peculiar, given that my experience in past games has often proved the opposite of this (I've been killed Night 1 many times despite being that wise town direction, and I've been lynched Day 1 multiple times even though I have the experience). Your statement doesn't add up, as the evidence suggests that scum target the experienced players first, as it gives them a strategic edge over the remaining players.

I missed being presented with incessant strawman arguments when I didn't play last time around. Sure, experienced players do tend to be the first to be nightkilled. That'd be a great point if I'd argued the inverse, but what you said has no connection with what I said, and that is that experienced players don't get lynched very early on. And regardless, even if you've been lynched Day 1 "multiple times" despite being experienced, you've never been in a game before where there have been so few experienced players this early on into the game. I'm playing this by game phase in the more metaphorical sense, not the numerical one. On day 2, usually about half the game would be considered experienced. I'm treating where we're at right now as though it was a 30 man game and all the experienced players have been hit by nightkills already, and now scum are moving onto the inexperienced ones. Because, besides having less information, that's where we're at. You being killed night 1 and being lynched day 1 couldn't be any more irrelevant and you know that, which has made me FoS you harder. I know you're smart enough to not pull a strawman accidentally.

Scum Celever would fit both of these perfectly, and it's especially convincing with the post from Celever I just quoted. Something is off here and I can't perfectly explain it, but it's definitely there.

##VOTE: Celever

I must commend you on this case; it's really excellent. "Something is off here but IDK how to phrase it so I'm not gonna try lol :3". One for the ages, I'm sure. I don't know how you do it!
##UNVOTE: Blakers
##VOTE: Professor Palutena

The case on @Little Cherrim is bad because "they might've been told this in a scum chat" is always bad logic. That statement in itself is too much assuming, because we really have no idea whether it happened or not -- unless you've got eyes in the chat, which bb presumably wouldn't admit to in thread. What the case means without the buzzwords is "this players is acting a little bit differently to the absolute textbook example of a new player". That's not a scumtell, even if you infer from it that there is a possibility they are being coached. It's very vague, very indirect and very weak.

So I'd still love to know who @bbninjas has as his second-biggest scumread.

 

[Little Cherrim]

Yeah, I know I need to up my activity. I didn't know who I could switch my vote to, I didn't pick up any specific scum reads because there was a lot of inactivity.

This is a good point about Little Cherrim. It would also explain NP's night kill, as his meta is lots and lots of pressure, and that's usually pretty bad for new players. Of course, if this is at all accurate, then we need to know @Little Cherrim 's past experience with Mafia. Would you please tell us if you've had any past Mafia experience?

##Vote: Little Cherrim

Alright, as for my past mafia experience, it is much as the number of times Zimbabwe has won a Winter Olympic gold medal.

 

[Professor Palutena]

It's not particularly conspiracy theoristy considering the whole game is new players besides me and you (and now bb, but he wasn't around last night). If you're scum, your teammates would by extension be comprised of entirely new players, cos I'm not one of them.

I already explained this with the next thing you arbitrarily took issue with. When a resource is scarce, people like to protect it. When there are 3 experienced players left in the game, the inexperienced on the town want to protect them. Obviously scum is a different matter, and usually experienced players are the first to be nightkilled. That's why NP's death is so notable; it's abnormal. And it only makes sense if you're scum, really.

By now it's painstakingly obvious that it was to gauge a reaction. I don't get why you're so desperate to try and discredit me, what with the nightkill of my top scum read and now this!

I missed being presented with incessant strawman arguments when I didn't play last time around. Sure, experienced players do tend to be the first to be nightkilled. That'd be a great point if I'd argued the inverse, but what you said has no connection with what I said, and that is that experienced players don't get lynched very early on. And regardless, even if you've been lynched Day 1 "multiple times" despite being experienced, you've never been in a game before where there have been so few experienced players this early on into the game. I'm playing this by game phase in the more metaphorical sense, not the numerical one. On day 2, usually about half the game would be considered experienced. I'm treating where we're at right now as though it was a 30 man game and all the experienced players have been hit by nightkills already, and now scum are moving onto the inexperienced ones. Because, besides having less information, that's where we're at. You being killed night 1 and being lynched day 1 couldn't be any more irrelevant and you know that, which has made me FoS you harder. I know you're smart enough to not pull a strawman accidentally.

I must commend you on this case; it's really excellent. "Something is off here but IDK how to phrase it so I'm not gonna try lol :3". One for the ages, I'm sure. I don't know how you do it!

OMGUS anyone?

Fairly sure NP is an experienced player, at least in my eyes. Not sure why you think he isn't.

 

[bbninjas]

OMGUS anyone?

Fairly sure NP is an experienced player, at least in my eyes. Not sure why you think he isn't.

Why is this OMGUS and why is it scummy, and especially why is it scummy for Celever?

 

[Blakers]

Why do you think what bb said is a good point? I'll debunk it once I get a response.

Also, literally the entire game is comprised of new players. Jesi and NP were two of the absolute most experienced, so the whole "NP's meta is bad for new players" is by no means exclusive to him.

The part of my quote that for some reason didn't transfer is what I thought was a good point. (It's below and bolded for easy reference.) You've already said what you have to say about that, though. And I would disagree about the entire game being new. Almost everyone has at least a couple games of experience. Besides, to me, NP has always stood out as the person who applies lots of pressure. I haven't seen much of PP's meta, so to me, who else could possibly stand out as that person? Yes, I understand that it's not a good idea to assume about the scumchat. But Little Cherrim is also not contributing at all, because they "think it won't be useful." And when they answered my question, they answered the question and said nothing more. These could certainly serve as scumtells. So @Little Cherrim , I'd like to know who your current scumread is.

Little Cherrim ignoring the vote/s on them and also voting Professor P without reason (potential buddying with Celever) is a potential newscum tell. New players normally would respond in some way, shape or form, unless they've been specifically told otherwise.

 

[bbninjas]

@bbninjas, the only reason I kept my vote on Little Cherrim was since they didn't contribute a lot, and to get them to post some more.

There was a lot of people not contributing a lot, but I'm glad you responded. ^.^

I do find it interesting that you're more confident in me being scum and then vote for Mirdo, and then Blakers. Are you afraid to bus your buddy? :U

Wait, so are you and Celever scumbuddies? :O

Scum Celever would fit both of these perfectly, and it's especially convincing with the post from Celever I just quoted. Something is off here and I can't perfectly explain it, but it's definitely there.

It would fit you and myself (I got my role in the middle of the night) just as well, so we should all be lynched by this logic.

It's not particularly conspiracy theoristy considering the whole game is new players besides me and you (and now bb, but he wasn't around last night). If you're scum, your teammates would by extension be comprised of entirely new players, cos I'm not one of them.

The case on @Little Cherrim is bad because "they might've been told this in a scum chat" is always bad logic. That statement in itself is too much assuming, because we really have no idea whether it happened or not -- unless you've got eyes in the chat, which bb presumably wouldn't admit to in thread. What the case means without the buzzwords is "this players is acting a little bit differently to the absolute textbook example of a new player". That's not a scumtell, even if you infer from it that there is a possibility they are being coached. It's very vague, very indirect and very weak.

But mirdo is new-new. Everyone else is just not experienced. :U

Anyways, I do not think the Little Cherrim case is as weak as you're making it out to be, as I think that potential newbie tells are good leads. I think the assumption is no more assuming than half of your predictions regarding Prof P. My problem right now is that @Little Cherrim ignored my case on them as well. Righteo. I'd like more votes so that they realise I'm not playing around.

I must commend you on this case; it's really excellent. "Something is off here but IDK how to phrase it so I'm not gonna try lol :3". One for the ages, I'm sure. I don't know how you do it!
##UNVOTE: Blakers
##VOTE: Professor Palutena

I'm not convinced that PP is scum (I still think it's townie vs townie), but the case is totally legit and has caught me out (as scum) before. It's just something that can happen in both alignments.

So I'd still love to know who @bbninjas has as his second-biggest scumread.

I did not leave enough time to respond to this, so I'll do it later if I remember. Blakers, because he was so under the radar, fits both of my main FOSs and that bandwagon vote. He still hasn't actually contributed very much. I do find it interesting that both yourself and PP have pointed Blakers out in the last 24 hours.

 

[Celever]

Why is this OMGUS and why is it scummy, and especially why is it scummy for Celever?

'ey, I literally asked who your second-biggest scum read is twice while you were away!