Finished Mafia XXXIX: Superheroes Vs Supervillains - Mafia has won!

[bbninjas]

The activity has been going great! Five people haven't vote yet, and if you're one of those people, please place your vote. If you have voted, please make sure the player you're voting is the player you want to lynch today. Remember, you can change your vote.

Couple of other things;
@Professor Palutena seems to have gone a bit quiet, don't know what's up with that.
@Little Cherrim Why haven't you been responding to my vote on you? I feel like you're ignoring me, which is very odd, and that is the reason I've been voting you and why I think you're scummy.

 

[bbninjas]

All those who are don't know what to say, I want you to answer these questions:
- Who do you think should be lynched today?
- Who do you think are townie? OR Who are you finding hard to read?
- What is your general thoughts on what's happened so far this current day phase?
- Why do you think you don't have anything say?

If you're @Professor Palutena, I've got a special bunch of questions for you (see the original post for context):

Why is this OMGUS and why is it scummy, and especially why is it scummy for Celever?

If you're @Celever, I've got a question for you too!

Can you restate your case [on Professor P]

 

[bbninjas]

In the past I am pretty sure I remember Celever saying that when we was on the scum team with some other experienced player (Camoclone I believe) that they did more or less what is happening between Celever and Professor Palutena here, so that has caught my eye.

your potential foreshadowing here also has me alerted

I don't think your vote on Celever is strong at all. You said in the post you voted that this is why you are voting Celever. From my understanding, you're saying that Celever is scum because he could be scumbuddies with PP, arguing with each other to get towncred. This is a bit of a fallacy as you're assuming that Celever and PP are both scum, where in fact there isn't really evidence that both are actually scum.

Which is actually funny because of what you said here:

scum chat hasn't lead anywhere in anything I have seen as it is more or less a coin flip speculation unless the person has wildly changed tactics either mid game or between games. I don't think we have that kind of data on Little Cherrim, so I don't like what you said there bbninjas, seems weak to me, so suspicions of bbninjas are raised.

There is a lot more evidence that Little Cherrim is being coached than there is that Celever and PP are scumbuddies messing with the town.

 

[bbninjas]

Also, because pursuing this lead on Little Cherrim is becoming a waste of time (although I still want you to answer this) and because the lead is still flimsy, I'm moving on to my bigger scum read.

I've said it multiple times now that I think @Blakers is scummy. Here's why I think he's scummy:
- Blakers has been lurking/flying very low on the radar/not contributing
- Blakers left his vote on who he RVS'd (quakingpunch73), which is a completely useless vote considering quaking was V/LA.
- Blakers bandwagoned big time here
- I'm pretty sure Blakers contributed much more in a reent game, so there's also a small metatell.

##UNVOTE: Cherrim
##VOTE: Blakers

Note: Yes, some of these tells do fit other players, but that does not make the case any less valid. I think Blakers is the scummiest and there isn't time for me to pursue all the other players.

Yeah, I know I need to up my activity. I didn't know who I could switch my vote to, I didn't pick up any specific scum reads because there was a lot of inactivity.

I didn't notice it before, but this is false. There was not "a lot of inactivity" so that's an invalid reason for not contributing. It's not really a valid reason even if there was inactivity, anyway, because you could've made it active by scumhunting.

 

[mordacazir]

All those who are don't know what to say, I want you to answer these questions:
- Who do you think should be lynched today?
- Who do you think are townie? OR Who are you finding hard to read?
- What is your general thoughts on what's happened so far this current day phase?
- Why do you think you don't have anything say?

1I think PP or Little Cherrim should be lynched today, because Little Cherrim is just ignoring everything and PP has just changed her playstyle drasticly in 1 day. And the case that Celever made.
2I think Vracken and TheSceptileMaster are a little towny, because they don't post a lot, but the posts are useful.
3This day phase is a lot different then last day phase, because you (bb) are making a lot of good posts, and PP hasn't said a lot. I think that is really strange.
4I guess I'm not that good at Mafia?

 

[bbninjas]

You don't have to be "good" at mafia, which is a subjective descriptive anyway. You may phrase something differently that makes other understand, you might inspire one of us or bring something none of us thought about. And even if you don't think you've got anything "good", you've just given your opinions and thoughts on the matter, which is super helpful for reads. Thankyou! ^.^

 

[Blakers]

Also, because pursuing this lead on Little Cherrim is becoming a waste of time (although I still want you to answer this) and because the lead is still flimsy, I'm moving on to my bigger scum read.

I've said it multiple times now that I think @Blakers is scummy. Here's why I think he's scummy:
- Blakers has been lurking/flying very low on the radar/not contributing
- Blakers left his vote on who he RVS'd (quakingpunch73), which is a completely useless vote considering quaking was V/LA.
- Blakers bandwagoned big time here
- I'm pretty sure Blakers contributed much more in a reent game, so there's also a small metatell.

##UNVOTE: Cherrim
##VOTE: Blakers

Note: Yes, some of these tells do fit other players, but that does not make the case any less valid. I think Blakers is the scummiest and there isn't time for me to pursue all the other players.


I didn't notice it before, but this is false. There was not "a lot of inactivity" so that's an invalid reason for not contributing. It's not really a valid reason even if there was inactivity, anyway, because you could've made it active by scumhunting.

Yes, I know it looks like a very obvious bandwagon, but I do think that Cherrim is scum. In terms of RVS, yeah, I'll admit that it's a scummy play, and I should have changed it. I know my contribution is a bit lower than usual, but right now I'm pretty busy. I'll try to step up contribution, though. At least I can respond to posts directed towards me, though. But should your distrust get to the point where you need me to role claim, I'd be happy to oblige should it be necessary.

 

[Celever]

Prof started Day 1 with highly unnecessary pressure against newer players, doing the scum tactic of targeting new townies to make them panic and slip because of their inexperience with the game rather than their faction. He was the primary push behind Jesi's premature and underdeveloped lynch because he shouted louder than everyone else. This is also not how Prof usually plays as town on Day 1, as he oftentimes steps back a little bit and observes rather than charging into the action head-first.

Day 2 brought about a radical playstyle change, which is also strange of Prof, as he's played the game long enough to be comfortable with an established way of playing the game. I think this is because he's noticed that the more he posts the more opportunity we have to build evidence on him, and the more publicity he forms around him. I speculate that this is because Little Cherrim is a member of the town, and he is looking to be the likeliest lynch besides Prof. He's hoping that his silence will passively direct pressure and bloodlust towards Little Cherrim, which is ironic, considering the main point bb has on Little Cherrim is inactivity. This means that if Prof flips scum, bb looks quite likely to be scum as well, looking at how these cases interact.

The nightkill really only makes sense if Prof is mafia. It defies logic besides. The two logical kills were myself and Prof, and if neither of us die Night 1, the likeliest scenario is that one of us is mafia... and that ain't me. bb confirmed that he got his role part-way through the night, so this also opens up the possibility that he didn't want to kill experienced players. However, based on past games, I believe bb would have tried to feign a team of inexperienced players to gain credibility amongst the new players on the town once he nightkills the advanced ones. It fits his playstyle well, and is a strategy he's tried before to great success. I've stated in a couple previous posts why the kill p much only makes sense if Prof is mafia, so I won't repeat entirely. His desperate plea for credibility after NP's death backs this point up immensely.

Prof's lynch will also provide a lot of information. I hadn't brought it up yet, but it's true.

Blakers is my second-strongest scumread, but I'd like people to comment on Prof. @Lord o da rings, @rainyman123, @丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅, @Blakers, @Little Cherrim, @TheSceptileMaster, and @mirdo, this actually includes you. @Vracken hasn't commented on Prof much either. If deadline approaches (I need to check when it is, actually, but if someone could restate it in a post that'd be appreciated because I've g2g now) then I'll potentially switch my vote to Blakers if it's between him or Little Cherrim or whatever. Otherwise, my vote is staying on Prof.

If I've tagged you you're not necessarily being useless, because players like TSM are making really great posts whenever he manages to make one. Just make more of them and it'll be even better!

Most of you are being useless, though. Stop talking in your scumchats and do it publically instead; I want to hear your thoughts too! :U

 

[Nyora]

I don't have much to say on PP right now, though I must say, I'm finding it quite scummy the amount of pressure he's been putting on newer players. Also I've noticed how Celever is Defending newer players, which is like him but it can still mean he's trying to defend a scum who can't defend him/herself. I'd agree that lynching PP will provide us with information even if he's not scum, as it might help us find more leads to who's mafia and might help us figure out if there is an indie or not, of pp flips indie.

 

[Celever]

I don't have much to say on PP right now, though I must say, I'm finding it quite scummy the amount of pressure he's been putting on newer players. Also I've noticed how Celever is Defending newer players, which is like him but it can still mean he's trying to defend a scum who can't defend him/herself. I'd agree that lynching PP will provide us with information even if he's not scum, as it might help us find more leads to who's mafia and might help us figure out if there is an indie or not, of pp flips indie.

Vote for someone.

 

[Nyora]

Vote for someone.

Ok. ##Vote: Professors Palutena

Same as Day 1

 

[Celever]

Good choice.

Remember guys, a vote is the most definitive way of articulating your point.

 

[Nyora]

##Unvote: Professor Palutena
##Vote: Celever

For not questioning my last two posts, and instead immidiately agreeing with what i said. Very unusual from even what I've only seen in this game, and seems scummy to me.

 

[Celever]

##Unvote: Professor Palutena
##Vote: Celever

For not questioning my last two posts, and instead immidiately agreeing with what i said. Very unusual from even what I've only seen in this game, and seems scummy to me.

What would I question in your last 2 posts? Especially for a new player, they're good posts. The only flawed point is that the "if he flips indie we'll know there's an indie in the game", as that could apply to anyone. So don't do that? :U

I am capable of agreeing with people lmao. I agreed with bb on a few points and iirc Jesi made some good points yesterday too. Didn't TSM also say something good? I think so. The behaviour would be notable if it were abnormal but it's not..?

 

[Celever]

Oh good, @Professor Palutena is viewing the thread; I'm expecting great things

 

[Professor Palutena]

I need to sub out.

Should've said it a few days ago. Sorry!

 

[Nyora]

What would I question in your last 2 posts? Especially for a new player, they're good posts. The only flawed point is that the "if he flips indie we'll know there's an indie in the game", as that could apply to anyone. So don't do that? :U

I am capable of agreeing with people lmao. I agreed with bb on a few points and iirc Jesi made some good points yesterday too. Didn't TSM also say something good? I think so. The behaviour would be notable if it were abnormal but it's not..?

Oh good, @Professor Palutena is viewing the thread; I'm expecting great things

Well I might be thinking that you can't especially since I've been told that this is a game of questioning.

 

[Nyora]

I need to sub out.

Should've said it a few days ago. Sorry!

Here's you "great thing" @Celever

 

[Celever]

Well I might be thinking that you can't especially since I've been told that this is a game of questioning.

You might be thinking I can't what? I'm like, hella confused. I think you're voting me because it's fun and not for good reason. "I'm sorry for complimenting you and thinking you were playing well. You're bad at this game; stop posting." There, better? >~>

Legit if you're voting me for not questioning everything you say that is just hella flawed.

 

[丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅]

All those who are don't know what to say, I want you to answer these questions:
- Who do you think should be lynched today?
- Who do you think are townie? OR Who are you finding hard to read?
- What is your general thoughts on what's happened so far this current day phase?
- Why do you think you don't have anything say?

1. I think Blakers or Little Cherrim should be lynched today. Blakers has contradicted himself several times and has been lurking, as you said, and is not posting as much as he usually does, although he claims that this is attributed to "busyness."

Yes, I know it looks like a very obvious bandwagon, but I do think that Cherrim is scum. In terms of RVS, yeah, I'll admit that it's a scummy play, and I should have changed it. I know my contribution is a bit lower than usual, but right now I'm pretty busy. I'll try to step up contribution, though. At least I can respond to posts directed towards me, though. But should your distrust get to the point where you need me to role claim, I'd be happy to oblige should it be necessary.

These might be true, but it could be you simply making excuses to justify your lurking and lack of posting just to get the pressure off of you. Are there any other ways you think Cherrim is scum? What are your other reads?

Little Cherrim hasn't posted much, even though he/she is under pressure from bb and others, and I don't honestly understand why not. If I were under constant scrutiny, I would definitely post to defend myself (although it would probably be a pretty crappy defense), but not posting at all would guarantee my lynch. Then again, I'm not Cherrim, and Blakers seems scummier to me, so ##VOTE: Blakers.

2. I think TSM and Vracken are looking town, as their posts are productive and they aren't making any scummy decisions. TSM has dropped off activity, though, so I'm keeping an eye on him. bb and Celever are looking more neutral, because they're mostly trying to tear each other's arguments apart. Rainy has been playing as he always has, but it is unlike him to "not know anything to say"; he's usually posting all the time. At least, in Day 1 he was. And his case on Celever is spontaneous and not sensible.

3. I feel like we're going nowhere, it's mainly Celever and bb butting heads while everyone else goes inactive.

4. No one has responded to what I say yet, so I kinda wanted to go back to observing unless someone questions me.