New townies bandwagon all the time. When most players are voting for Prof. P and the consensus appears to be to ending the day, a new townie could decide that bandwagoning is the right idea.
Who do you find scummy and why?
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I explained this here NP:
I am still trying to work out my current reads
Then why is the buddying relevant?
What are your thoughts on the "people with p legit reasons"?
But 2 people doesn't equate to a town. Besides, why are you giving Jesi sole blame for this? Rainy was the one who brought up the "let's just end the day" in the first place. Not mentioning him is potentially an even tighter connection than between you and Prof.
It was unnecessary pressure for new players to try and get them to crack. Scum tactic.
In case I die it's recorded. Noting these links are never bad.
Jesi is frazzled. That's about it. Because your posts on her were over-aggressive, her frazzleness is unindicative of alignment.
Rainy is pretty new, and does a lot of crazy things. If any other experienced player brought it up, I would be giving them attention.
By attention, I mean that I would be pressuring them.
How is "post more" an attempt to get them to crack? It's best practice in mafia to post as much as possible.
Yes, Jesi's frazzleness is not-indicative of her alignment, but her defense is still none-the-less peculiar.
I'm not sure why you think NP and I are together. All I can tell is that we agree on the lot of the same points. That's not indicative of a shared alignment. He's also the one buddying me, which may say more about his own alignment than it does of mine.
How do you know this isn't coincidental?
Vracken
Just a Ghost of the Past
Ok, so I stopped getting updates for this, probably because I left it open, but whatever, current notes on people
In the past I am pretty sure I remember Celever saying that when we was on the scum team with some other experienced player (Camoclone I believe) that they did more or less what is happening between Celever and Professor Palutena here, so that has caught my eye.
Professor Palutena's I guess salty responses to quote whoever said that, or something along those lines also has raised my suspicion though I haven't played in a game where they weren't killed early (except maybe Vom and Keepers one, but I don't really remember that one since I had no idea what was going on in the first place) but I still don't like the attitude, can't attribute it to anything I know though, so not putting you down as scummy yet except for the Celever and you thing
Ninjapenguin, you called out Lord o da rings for voting for someone inactive, despite voting for someone inactive as well, so that could be nothing, but you also voted for someone with out actually unvoting before, and then ignored that when pointed out in the update. Lord o unvoting and not revoting was strange, but I am pretty sure she is new, so that could easily be seen as thinking they had done something wrong, and not knowing how to respond.
with that said, lord o da rings your "sigh" comment implies apathy, and I don't like apathy, so try to contribute something, anything otherwise I am watching you as well
I don't think Pikamasterjezi looks overly scummy, at least no more than in the other game I have played with her. I can totally see her disappearing again though despite wanting to try playing differently, I have found it is really easy to revert to what you usually do in this game, especially if you dodge pressure
to be honest, I don't put much stock into RVS, and I really don't know how to pressure people particularly well, so I don't feel like I have much to add at this point. I don't think anyone else has done anything notable thus far, but I need to go through this again to be sure, so give me like 40 minutes or something and I will see what has changed in my opinions
In the past I am pretty sure I remember Celever saying that when we was on the scum team with some other experienced player (Camoclone I believe) that they did more or less what is happening between Celever and Professor Palutena here, so that has caught my eye.
your potential foreshadowing here also has me alerted
Professor Palutena's I guess salty responses to quote whoever said that, or something along those lines also has raised my suspicion though I haven't played in a game where they weren't killed early (except maybe Vom and Keepers one, but I don't really remember that one since I had no idea what was going on in the first place) but I still don't like the attitude, can't attribute it to anything I know though, so not putting you down as scummy yet except for the Celever and you thing
Ninjapenguin, you called out Lord o da rings for voting for someone inactive, despite voting for someone inactive as well, so that could be nothing, but you also voted for someone with out actually unvoting before, and then ignored that when pointed out in the update. Lord o unvoting and not revoting was strange, but I am pretty sure she is new, so that could easily be seen as thinking they had done something wrong, and not knowing how to respond.
with that said, lord o da rings your "sigh" comment implies apathy, and I don't like apathy, so try to contribute something, anything otherwise I am watching you as well
I am with pp on this one, comments like these don't ring out so well to me, but I have come to expect this from you. Emotional responses like the "friggn" comments imply that you haven't learnt from past games, I get that it takes time, but until you do, there will always be that residual scum feeling coming from youWell np wants the day to end, Celever seems like he's got an interesting ability, and I know I have one I'd love to use, but I'm guessing most of them work at night phase so I personally would love it to be night for all the interesting abilities to start up. I really don't care who dies today as it is RVS and we have no clue who's scum, but I really wanna see my Ability in action!
This is litterally the game rainyman123, question everything, trust no one until they can prove they are trust worthy. if someone seems to trust someone else without you being able to figure out why, mark that, cause there is a more decent chance they are scum buddies
I disagree, though it could end quickly
I don't think Pikamasterjezi looks overly scummy, at least no more than in the other game I have played with her. I can totally see her disappearing again though despite wanting to try playing differently, I have found it is really easy to revert to what you usually do in this game, especially if you dodge pressure
to be honest, I don't put much stock into RVS, and I really don't know how to pressure people particularly well, so I don't feel like I have much to add at this point. I don't think anyone else has done anything notable thus far, but I need to go through this again to be sure, so give me like 40 minutes or something and I will see what has changed in my opinions
Can you go deeper into this? I think my defence has actually been better so far than in previous games, or at least, it isn't riddled with AtE.
That's honestly what makes it peculiar. It's so unlike you.
To my knowledge, you haven't been scum before, and so I think it's possible that you may have buddies helping to calm you down. This would explain why you're trying to stay calm despite making hasty plays.
I mean. I was inactive cause you were going at it quite heaviliy and i hadnt much to contribute to that. Also, as im european, i have to read up in the morning most of time ^^. But here goes:
For me its hard to tell. The only thing i see is that NP and PP are pointing an awful lot of Fingers. Or wings in NP's case.
I mean you could say its "best practise" and they just try to get Info out. But could also mean that they are scummy. Not saying either of them are. Its to early to be entirely sure.
And who ever said "we have to find the indie" he's not wrong if there is one or multiple. But we can only really determine that there is one when a performes and action at night right? So why bring it up. Seems weird. Not suspicious. Just weird.
As for a Day 1 Lynch. Could it be helpful? Maybe. There is a good chance that we hit a scum that way. Would it be sensible? Prooobably not. Like i said. There are some people where one could justify a lynch. But maybe we shouldnt push one to happen.
For me its hard to tell. The only thing i see is that NP and PP are pointing an awful lot of Fingers. Or wings in NP's case.
I mean you could say its "best practise" and they just try to get Info out. But could also mean that they are scummy. Not saying either of them are. Its to early to be entirely sure.
And who ever said "we have to find the indie" he's not wrong if there is one or multiple. But we can only really determine that there is one when a performes and action at night right? So why bring it up. Seems weird. Not suspicious. Just weird.
As for a Day 1 Lynch. Could it be helpful? Maybe. There is a good chance that we hit a scum that way. Would it be sensible? Prooobably not. Like i said. There are some people where one could justify a lynch. But maybe we shouldnt push one to happen.
Short post because on phone, but the indie comment was fine, and whoever shot it down was out of line (I'll go back and check at home later). An indie won last game so it's fresh on people's minds; for a newer player it can also be generalised into a "oh so indies are the big threats".
The issue was that he said that we needed to end the day so that we could find the presence/absence of an indie, not that we need to beware indies. A) I don't see how that could work and B) it's deflecting scumhunting in favor of ending the day randomly.
I don't know much about how PP plays, but that's just how NP's meta is. I pointed this out in my first game, it hurt us rather than help.
We have to lynch someone today. The real question is who we lynch.
My (probably way off) observations:
But until he/she posts more, I can't be sure. @Little Cherrim I think it would be better for you to post something than post nothing at all.
PP's constant pressure on Jesi has me slightly suspicious, but that could just be his play style. But…
Jesi is acting a bit erratic, although she reads to me as just cracking a bit under PP's aggression. Vracken has posted once, but it was a productive post, so he's not on my radar. Rainy's responses are sometimes a bit heated, and I agree with Vracken that it makes him look a bit scummy. Rainy's claims that he's basing his votes off of his guesses strike me as kind of unhelpful until he can explain exactly why he feels that way. His play style is quite unique, to say the least. NinjaPenguin has been sort of agreeing with PP this whole time and is making an effort to getting the inactives to post, which I appreciate. He is also thinking logically about not just randomly RVSing. I am getting a weird vibe from him, though…ask me later, I'm still trying to figure it out. TSM and Blakers have been pretty neutral to me.
Celever has been defending Jesi and been pretty lenient on the newbies so far, and idk what to think about his buddying theory between PP and NinjaPenguin. I don't honestly see it, but Celever has played way longer than I have, so I'm going to observe some more and see.
This was from skimming, so feel free to contradict what I've said.
Are kind of fluffy and do not contribute to the discussion, but Little Cherrim is new to Mafia (as far as I know) and I think maybe that he/she is simply trying to post to avoid looking scummy, but doesn't really know what to say for now, because, again, he/she's new. I do, however, find it interesting that he/she left once PP and TSM began to pressuring him/her (I'm sorry I don't know what your gender is btw) about her comments.I think I'm at 2 now
He/she has been on since then, so this reads to me as a new scum panicking over being targeted. Then again, he/she might just be a panicking new player that doesn't know how to defend him/herself, which would probably be me as well.
But until he/she posts more, I can't be sure. @Little Cherrim I think it would be better for you to post something than post nothing at all.Why are you unvoting Cherrim just because he/she said that? That was a clear attempt to stifle the conversation.
PP's constant pressure on Jesi has me slightly suspicious, but that could just be his play style. But…
I'm not sure how to react to this change in behavior. PP claims otherwise, however.OK, so you get lucky. Next.
The latter is a conscious choice.
Jesi is acting a bit erratic, although she reads to me as just cracking a bit under PP's aggression. Vracken has posted once, but it was a productive post, so he's not on my radar. Rainy's responses are sometimes a bit heated, and I agree with Vracken that it makes him look a bit scummy. Rainy's claims that he's basing his votes off of his guesses strike me as kind of unhelpful until he can explain exactly why he feels that way. His play style is quite unique, to say the least. NinjaPenguin has been sort of agreeing with PP this whole time and is making an effort to getting the inactives to post, which I appreciate. He is also thinking logically about not just randomly RVSing. I am getting a weird vibe from him, though…ask me later, I'm still trying to figure it out. TSM and Blakers have been pretty neutral to me.
Celever has been defending Jesi and been pretty lenient on the newbies so far, and idk what to think about his buddying theory between PP and NinjaPenguin. I don't honestly see it, but Celever has played way longer than I have, so I'm going to observe some more and see.
This was from skimming, so feel free to contradict what I've said.
To @丅ᗴᗰᑭᗴᔕ丅: you may be right about LittleCherrim not being sure how to react to posts.
To @Vracken: Your position is logical to be in, and i think you misunderstood my post. At the time of the post I had no certain reads, the PP and Pika thing was just to explain when we started to move out of RVS.
To @Vracken: Your position is logical to be in, and i think you misunderstood my post. At the time of the post I had no certain reads, the PP and Pika thing was just to explain when we started to move out of RVS.
You don't see how it could work. That's because it doesn't make sense. That's because it's by no means what was originally said and you are intentionally misreading because you don't want to "backpedal"; scum vehemently avoid common scumtells.
What Prof said about the buddying is true. You're the culprit; he's the possibly-in-on-it-and-more-fun-to-pressure-maybe-victim.
##UNVOTE: PROF P
##VOTE: NP
Oops, forgot to talk about lord o.
This feels a bit scummy, as she has just gone with the opinions of everyone else. NP points out that voting an inactive is counterproductive, so she changes it. Rainy points out that PP was an easy RVS target because he'd accumulated the most votes, so she votes for him. The *sigh* she makes feels a bit weary and irritated, which I don't like, either. Then she drops in a post basically saying what others have said, then drops off. She might just think that there isn't anything to say, thus the lack of posting, or feels annoyed that everyone is commenting on her RVS unproductivity and doesn't feel the need to justify. Then again, she could be scum bending to the demands of others to deflect suspicion, then making a small, unmemorable post that bandwagons on what everyone else has said to avoid being accused as an inactive, then dropping off with posting once PP, NP, Celever, and Jesi started firing off at each other. She was online this morning, so I'd like to hear her thoughts.
Bending to the demands of others.
Again, bending to the demands of others.
Slight bandwagon, but is being productive.
This feels a bit scummy, as she has just gone with the opinions of everyone else. NP points out that voting an inactive is counterproductive, so she changes it. Rainy points out that PP was an easy RVS target because he'd accumulated the most votes, so she votes for him. The *sigh* she makes feels a bit weary and irritated, which I don't like, either. Then she drops in a post basically saying what others have said, then drops off. She might just think that there isn't anything to say, thus the lack of posting, or feels annoyed that everyone is commenting on her RVS unproductivity and doesn't feel the need to justify. Then again, she could be scum bending to the demands of others to deflect suspicion, then making a small, unmemorable post that bandwagons on what everyone else has said to avoid being accused as an inactive, then dropping off with posting once PP, NP, Celever, and Jesi started firing off at each other. She was online this morning, so I'd like to hear her thoughts.
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