Finished Mafia XXXV: Pokemon Card GB3: Team GR's Last Stand

[Scattered mind]

Morda's scumminess isn't necessarily indicative of his alignment. Are there any points in the case on him that aren't also true for his townmeta?

How about the fact that he is NOT acting entirely like last game he was town? He is too calm and careful. Last game he was town, when he got pressured, he panicked and asked for the reason he was blamed. He also tried to contribute. This game, it is like his first game where he was scum all over again.

 

[GM DracLord]

@Reinforce

I just have a feeling something not really right about the QT. But since Luis pointed out that anyone can get that card. Hence like you said, this issue no longer have any merit to be pursue. So I'm just gonna let the QT fly away with a fleeing ZapDoS

Anyway, Luis when did you get the card and which day you used it. Out of curiosity

 

[Jabberwock]

So you think the best course of action is just to leave him alone even though he's scummy?

I don't think he's the scummiest player in the game right now. No, we shouldn't leave him alone entirely (especially when there are questions he still needs to answer) but there are scummier players to pursue today.

My sole ability is (well, was...) that I could read out a single person's cards. I used it on sm and he had none of the cards from team GR, so that'd sorta rule him out for now.

I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in that. Keeper's flip didn't have the cards as part of his role; there's no reason why scattered would.

How about the fact that he is NOT acting entirely like last game he was town? He is too calm and careful. Last game he was town, when he got pressured, he panicked and asked for the reason he was blamed. He also tried to contribute. This game, it is like his first game where he was scum all over again.

I'm not seeing any measure of calmness or carefulness about him at all. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I'm almost sure he did ask for the reason he was blamed this game. I agree there's something off about him, but I feel like you're just trying to push an easy lynch on a player who won't do much in the way of a defense.

 

[Jabberwock]

Oh wait, but the cards would be in his hand anyway, not in his role. I'm still unsure of how indicative that really is of scattered's alignment, though. Since they can all use the cards, it doesn't make sense for any one of them to have the cards in his hand.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

I agree there's something off about him, but I feel like you're just trying to push an easy lynch on a player who won't do much in the way of a defense.

Thing is, we've presented some points on him today and Morda hasn't commented on one of them. His most recent post was him asking BB what he meant by what he was doing on Night 2, but I don't see how they could be hard to understand unless it was mistaken for something IRL.

 

[Jabberwock]

My point is that everything you've been saying about morda is true for his townmeta as well as his scummeta. He's avoiding questions, but that doesn't fit into either one of his metas, so it doesn't indicate alignment.

Jesi, why have you abandoned the scattered lynch? You were an early proponent of it along with Camo, and then you switched over to the SS lynch, and now you're on morda. Do you think morda is scummier than scattered?

 

[VinculumStellarum]

Yes, because Scattered had made an effort to defend himself and is improving on his play, although small watch should still be kept on him. For now, Morda and Drac are much better lynch targets. Likewise, with the SS lynch, I was finding him more scummy at the time than Scattered.

 

[Jabberwock]

Yes, because Scattered had made an effort to defend himself and is improving on his play, although small watch should still be kept on him. For now, Morda and Drac are much better lynch targets. Likewise, with the SS lynch, I was finding him more scummy at the time than Scattered.

Why is Drac a good lynch target? You're drawing pretty near to OMGUS here.

 

[Luispipe8]

Anyway, Luis when did you get the card and which day you used it. Out of curiosity

N1, both questions.

And @Reinforce, not having the card doesn't make them confo-town; but having one would be 100% scum. That's what I'm saying, if anyone scans a hand and sees one of Team GR's cards, there's literally no way that player is town.

 

[Luispipe8]

LOL, confused @Jabberwock with Reinforce for a moment >.< derp

 

[VinculumStellarum]

Drac's acting a little scummy to me. He's avoided a question (why he voted me, I asked and I'm pretty sure Scattered asked too but I can't find the quote although it does exist) and has been contributing little, which you could say is very similar to what we have on Morda right now. In addition, he subbed in for Excal, who wasn't exactly the most towny when he played, even with my trying to pin him as scum aside.

Also, Luis, there's no guaranteeing the card (if it existed in the hand) wasn't already used. What night did you use the ability on?

 

[Jabberwock]

And @Reinforce, not having the card doesn't make them confo-town; but having one would be 100% scum. That's what I'm saying, if anyone scans a hand and sees one of Team GR's cards, there's literally no way that player is town.

Yeah, that's more or less what I meant to say, too. I was just pointing out that it's unlikely your scanner would pick them up anyway, since cards that the entire scum team shares probably wouldn't be in a single person's hand.

 

[Vom]

We saw through Quaking's lynch that Team GR has a set of extra cards that town cannot have. Well, what if they had them from the start? The post indeed said "they have", not "they can get". That'd mean that, as long as we keep reading people's cards, we could find out who's from Team GR.

I highly doubt Team GR players would have those cards individually. I think they work kind of like Rocket's Machines in Athena's game, where they were just there and could be used by any member of the team. Alternatively, I could see each member having 1 card, which would mean Keeper's card died with him, but I think the collective hand (?) theory is far more likely to be correct. The wording of Super Energy Removal (cards in Team GR's possession) further supports this, but we can't know for sure unless someone Hand Scopes a Team GR member.

there are scummier players to pursue today.

Like who?

I don't see how they could be hard to understand unless it was mistaken for something IRL.

I highly doubt that question could be mistaken for something irl, hence my saying morda's playing dumb, perhaps buying time until his team can provide him insight in the QT.

In addition, he subbed in for Excal, who wasn't exactly the most towny when he played

This is like, the almost exact same wording I used when pointing this out.

Also, Luis, there's no guaranteeing the card (if it existed in the hand) wasn't already used.

I'm fairly certain none of their cards have been used. They get one shot with each card, they have to think their use through. Besides, we'd know, since the person the card was used on would probably post about it or we'd find out in the update.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

This is like, the almost exact same wording I used when pointing this out.

Didn't mean to copy your wording. Sorry!

 

[Vom]

Didn't mean to copy your wording. Sorry!

You don't have to apologize lol. I was just pointing that out in case it's needed in the future. I find you tend to agree and even apologize with and to the people who pressure you, and it's really starting to look kind of weird. I think its the third (?) time you do it, it's like your mind is set to 'avoid pressure at all times' which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you're overdoing it. If you add that to your echoing and the rest of your case (that I don't have at hand rn, if someone could find it that'd be great) it's not looking too good for you.

 

[Scattered mind]

Drac's acting a little scummy to me. He's avoided a question (why he voted me, I asked and I'm pretty sure Scattered asked too but I can't find the quote although it does exist)

he subbed in for Excal, who wasn't exactly the most towny when he played

I also have a feeling about Drac. His latest posts in particular seem off. Furthermore, he subbed in for Excal, who wasn't the towniest personduring D1.

Echo, like usual.

@PikaMasterJesi - Can you share your reads on the other players?

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Me being potential scum because various people "linked" to me have died; that's super WIFOMy and as others said, would only be relevant in the case of proper evidence.

RE: morda; he's playing a similar "dumb" approach as he had when he first played. He's generally contributes more than this, iirc.

@Reinforce

I just have a feeling something not really right about the QT. But since Luis pointed out that anyone can get that card. Hence like you said, this issue no longer have any merit to be pursue. So I'm just gonna let the QT fly away with a fleeing ZapDoS

Huh? What's with the random DoS reference?

LOL, confused @Jabberwock with Reinforce for a moment >.< derp

Big [Future Reference] here.

I'm going to look through things a bit more.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: morda; he's playing a similar "dumb" approach as he had when he first played.

*As scum

 

[PMJ]

mordacazir is at L-2.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Guys, the Morda lynch is horrible. He appears to always act this way. Here is some quoting from Maria XXXI (where he was town) to demonstrate this:

You're right
##VOTE: squirtle squad

Yo Mord can you explain your reasoning?

The point you made?

Which was?

Because he was denying the questions, I think. I still don't really play serious right now, just pressuring.

Oh? Please explain to me why you think he was denying the questions.

Now i think twice about it, there wasn't really a question asked.

So you weren't thinking before?

Why'd you vote for him then?

Because... You made a point i still don't understand?

So you voted for him because I did?

Yeah

I still believe in a Drac lynch because he and Excal both did some highly questionable thing. Here is a list of some of these weird posts:

I've been told I should contribute

In all truth, this quote is very over-hyped, as it it very likely this is referring to Jesi, but it's still worth mentioning.

I think that I can get away with things because no one knows how I play due to this being my first game.

This quote screams scum. Why would any townie need to get away with anything?

If I were you, I wouldn't care much nor mention anything about Jesi since votes aren't piling on her and I'm don't need to protect Jesi. If you weren't totally new here. I would just chalked it off as a sudden interest to defend a fellow teammate that gone wrong

As everybody has pointed out, I wasn't defending her.

In a normal game it should be normal for a town align player to have a role that can make private qt but since this game has random card drop, theres probability a scum to gain this role right? If so that scum can use this to his advantage to look townie.

A seasonal player with townie role would definately used this to connect with one of the best player or a good older player rather a fresh one. So any of you have any though on this matter.

So I'm just gonna let the QT fly away with a fleeing ZapDoS

This strange focus on QTs looks weird by itself, so let me explain. DoS started a QT with Excal with a friend ball, presumably to help Excal, who he thought was a struggling townie. As both players have subbed out, Drac and I have basically been in a standstill when it comes to talking, as we both have no reason to trust each other. The quotes you see above are weird, as some people have pointed out, because Luis and TGK are both seasoned players. With this new knowledge, you can see that what he is really referring to is DoS, a fairly experienced player, making a QT with Excal, a new player. Since I was telling the town of my suspicion of him above, this is just him grasping at straws to attack me and a very subtle OMGUS.
In conclusion, Drac/Excal has many more reason to be lynched than morda.

• Obviously scummy lines
• Random attacks on me
• OMGUS
• Grasping at straws

##Vote: Drac