Finished Mafia XXXVII: Celever's School Grades ~ Game Over!

[Squirtle Squad]

This all goes by so fast. I hardly know what's going on now. In the space of 12 hours, you all added three pages.
Can someone please summarize all of this information for me so I can at least try to make a logical guess?
Also, I think I will actually vote now that there's been some interaction. I'll have to see.

From what I can understand Jesi and Robin are the two predominately on the spotlight,

But make sure you read back for yourself because if you just go off the answers that someone gives you then you're missing the word for posts of potential suspects
Try and get in the habit of just reading back and not asking

 

[Reinforce]

Ah, Day 1.

*goes to a corner at the back of the classroom* I'll be back when most of the carnage is over.

I'd note though, that the people who are usually concerned about how they look like when they're scumhunting is often scum.

 

[Inferno390]

From what I can understand Jesi and Robin are the two predominately on the spotlight,

But make sure you read back for yourself because if you just go off the answers that someone gives you then you're missing the word for posts of potential suspects
Try and get in the habit of just reading back and not asking

Yeah. There's just so much information going around, it's hard to keep track.

 

[double o squirtle]

Ah, Day 1.

*goes to a corner at the back of the classroom* I'll be back when most of the carnage is over.

I'd note though, that the people who are usually concerned about how they look like when they're scumhunting is often scum.

You pop in, state something and then say you'll come back later? I can understand if you want to avoid D1 but don't you have any other comments?

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Jesi is too willing to please and too concerned about looking scummy, but she's already close to the lynch, so I won't vote for her.
Robin has been much more anti-scumhunt than Eevee, and has been sarcastic. Even if he is town, he won't help at all.
##UNVOTE: TheAnticipationEevee
##CheckYourAttitude: Robin Aisaga

 

[TheAnticipationEevee]

I don't know what Reinforce is thinking, but I hope you realize that leaving a message to not get modkilled and then trying to avoid everything else is not a viable tactic, and if town, not helpful at all.

For that reason,
##VOTE: Reinforce

Please contribute to the discussion rather than avoiding it!

 

[Professor Palutena]

Yeah. There's just so much information going around, it's hard to keep track.

The sooner you go back and read for yourself, the better grasp you'll have on the situation. You'll thank us later.

It's significantly easier to read 20 posts a day for five days than it is to read 100 posts in one day.

 

[Reinforce]

You pop in, state something and then say you'll come back later? I can understand if you want to avoid D1 but don't you have any other comments?

*sigh* Must I spell it out?

-Yes, I'm avoiding the early Day 1.-

It's easier to understand and analyze Day 1 posts after you've got context for them during Day 2. You say you understand but idk why you're acting like it's a new and/or odd thing. Plenty of other players on the site do this and they hardly get questioned about it.

 

[TheAnticipationEevee]

Yeah. There's just so much information going around, it's hard to keep track.

Yeah, you are going to have to read everything or you'll be out of the loop and then especially in later portions of the game you'll be held firmly for your actions, and can be the difference between winning/losing!!

 

[Robin Aisaga]

Jesi is too willing to please and too concerned about looking scummy, but she's already close to the lynch, so I won't vote for her. Robin has been much more anti-scumhunt than Eevee, and has been sarcastic. Even if he is town, he won't help at all.

Oh, I LOVE scum hunting <3 Now that is out of the way, be my guest and make up some more reasons to vote me that simply are not true. Also you do realise that certain attitudes can be used for scum hunting?No?

I'm not mad, I'm absolutely FABULOUS

 

[bbninjas]

You already quoted the part where I already explained the plausible reasoning

"When you commented about not voting = scum, it makes sense because if scum doesn't vote it can potentially increase their "innocence" because they were not apart of the lynching of another town member"

"
Your explanation of these reasons are fine... your implication that there was multiple reasons indicates a bit of carelessness common to scum (because scumhunting is not there primary concern). Just something I'm flagging, but not enough to base my read on imo.

• I haven't played forum Mafia for a month. I'm doing my best to improve and help out. It's not like I could play my own game for practice.

I haven't played forum Mafia for a month either.

• Forcing my hunt? I'm just doing my best to hunt so that I don't just echo people again. I don't want a repeat of XXXV, and I'm sure you guys don't either. That may seem like forcing to you, but it's better than saying what's already been said in my opinion.

Okay. I'm just pointing out to everyone else that you seem to be trying very hard to find scummy things about people and are thus tunneling and it is odd.

• I actually wanted to switch my vote earlier, but I didn't, because if I did, I'd have been called out for throwing my vote around, and I didn't want that, so I played like I was still interested in the TSM lynch.

Town shouldn't do this. If you're town, you shouldn't be this afraid about looking suspicious. In fact, I personally wouldn't have had a problem if you genuinely dropped from the TSM lynch.

Call it more self-awareness, but that's how I am as a person. I likely won't be changing what I think is actually an okay quality of myself for a game. (This response is a bit iffy right now because I've been a bit passive at school with letting people get rid of me in their table groups and pretend I don't exist, so I feel like this is translating to other parts of my life, but with good reason.)

Basically "If you're town, you shouldn't be afraid about looking suspicious" if it blocks out your aim, "to lynch scum".

I realize I'm handling this pressure badly and I'm trying to make things better for myself, but it's so hard to figure out how to respond to it sometimes, and then how to even word it. Right now, I feel like I can't even play the game as me because of all this pressure. I hate it.

This is how most people feel when pressure... I definitely used to.

Is this correct? If not, we can confirm that one of Simsands, DOS, SS, and Robin have a double vote weight. I don't think Celever would add Spark Brushel/Emily Quartam again.

Keep the vote weight analysis to yourself. In the off chance that the scum doesn't care about vote counts, you've just reminded them.

This is my fourth game. I understand RVS, but I don't understand why me saying anything about RVS turns into this. I only said we were exiting RVS, and that's what it looked like to me.

This is what RVS is. A person makes a BS votes and if anyone reacts oddly, you've just found a lead. You (Jesi) acted oddly, so people are pursuing you.

PikaMasterJesi has an official V/LA for 24 hours.

Aaaaand you've got to be kidding me.

Oh well. I'm not interested in pursuing this lynch any more, unless there is not a better option later on. Jesi reacted in a similar scummy way last game (lots of AtE and , so I think she's just town that hasn't really improved. (Please prove me wrong as the game progresses, Jesi! =D)

I don't know what Reinforce is thinking, but I hope you realize that leaving a message to not get modkilled and then trying to avoid everything else is not a viable tactic, and if town, not helpful at all.

For that reason,
##VOTE: Reinforce

Please contribute to the discussion rather than avoiding it!

Just a note, Reinforce never participates in RVS, so this is pretty standard for him.

 

[bbninjas]

Anyways, new lead. I've been keeping an eye on since their first post.

So, I feel like Inferno's behavior isn't that of scum, but rather that of just a new player that doesn't quite know what's going on yet. While those two behaviors are not mutually exclusive, I feel like his reactions are justified.
SceptileMaster seems more suspicious to me at this point. As bbninjas said, he has been bandwagoning and unvoting when being called out for it. And now he's trying to turn it around on bbninjas? I feel like this is just kind of odd behavior.
Also, just saying "trying to influence people" alone is not a valid reason for voting for someone. This whole game is about sharing opinions and making convincing arguments. If those arguments have merit then they should influence other people's opinions

##VOTE: TheSceptileMaster

This is more a poor logic thing that got my attention immediately, since it sounds like scum giving hogwash in attempt to give a reason for their jump on a wagon. The poor logic is that new players tend to be confused at the start, and as such will bandwagon and sheep. Wailord is expecting optimal play from a new player. Also, he's really only echo'd regarding TSM. This is all the more interesting considering he said "[Inferno is] just a new player that doesn't quite know what's going on yet.", which is a little contradictory.

Being new definitely explains his behavior more, bandwagoning is typical among all new players. But it also especially common among new scum players. Going with the flow and agreeing with people is an easy way to look town.
I think I'll keep my vote on Sceptile for now

Now, I wasn't 100% sure that Wailord knew that TSM was new, so I reminded him. His response sorta sounds like he didn't actually know, but he knew that Inferno was, so idrk. Than main problem is that the contradiction still stands and it is interesting that he continued to stick with his vote.

##UNVOTE: TheSceptileMaster
TSM has been quieter today and I feel like his panicking is more likely him being a new town member getting caught up in the early stages of the game rather than a new scum player.

Now, this is interesting cause it's entirely an echo. I'm curious to why you thought that his panicking was scummy before, yet now you think it's just new town. I could easily see this as scum blending in by hopping off a 'dead' lynch.

I understand your logic here, but I feel like that might be overthinking things a little too much. If you have solid reasoning for switching your vote, you should do so and if your explanation is justified, then people won't question it. Keeping a vote on someone only because you're worried about how it will look to other people is more suspicious than switching your vote a few times on the first day.

Good advice, but doesn't actually contribute to anything. It's a neutral stance, which I think is scummy when accompanied by no contribution.

##VOTE: Wailord_2 is a good Day 1 lynch.

 

[bbninjas]

The Robin lynch has potential, but I'm not 100% sure what the case is. They did hop onto the Jesi lynch, but I'd say that most town players with lesser experience would do that because Jesi is definitely scummy. Their flip would give information on other players, but that's not a reason to lynch when better options are available imo.

 

[bbninjas]

@Squirtle Squad hasn't been contributing all too much either and is more either posting fluff or just agreeing with people, so eye on him too. Couples posts are contributing, but I'd like to see more.

 

[Camoclone]

Oh, I LOVE scum hunting <3 Now that is out of the way, be my guest and make up some more reasons to vote me that simply are not true. Also you do realise that certain attitudes can be used for scum hunting?No?

I'm not mad, I'm absolutely FABULOUS

Be my guest then and scum hunt.

 

[Wailord_2]

Anyways, new lead. I've been keeping an eye on since their first post.


This is more a poor logic thing that got my attention immediately, since it sounds like scum giving hogwash in attempt to give a reason for their jump on a wagon. The poor logic is that new players tend to be confused at the start, and as such will bandwagon and sheep. Wailord is expecting optimal play from a new player. Also, he's really only echo'd regarding TSM. This is all the more interesting considering he said "[Inferno is] just a new player that doesn't quite know what's going on yet.", which is a little contradictory.


Now, I wasn't 100% sure that Wailord knew that TSM was new, so I reminded him. His response sorta sounds like he didn't actually know, but he knew that Inferno was, so idrk. Than main problem is that the contradiction still stands and it is interesting that he continued to stick with his vote.

I didn't actually know that TSM was a new player. Inferno, I could tell was, because he edited a post and refused to vote, because it would be "foolish". To be honest, it's hard for me to know exactly who is new and not, because I haven't played in over a year and a half. I know a handful of players, but otherwise I don't know what to expect from people or how they usually play.
As to why I stuck with my vote, its because there wasn't a better option at that point. TSM was still overreacting to suspicion on him

Now, this is interesting cause it's entirely an echo. I'm curious to why you thought that his panicking was scummy before, yet now you think it's just new town. I could easily see this as scum blending in by hopping off a 'dead' lynch.

More time had passed since my last post, and with came more discussion and more worthwhile lynch candidates. in the context in which it was made, my initial read on TSM made more sense, but as time went on, more valid concerns came up. TSM went quiet and other players made questionable decisions. The whole back and forth between Jesi and Robin really caught my attention. I feel like both of them are valid candidates for lynching.
Jesi's posts have been filled with emotion and excuses. I feel like she's almost trying to play the victim? She seems desperate, but I feel like it came out of good intentions, trying to help out, but then things kind of spiraled out of control. On the other hand, Robin's posts have been few and far between. One of his first posts was saying that he wasn't going to contribute yet. Then later on he omgus'ed Jesi with little new evidence. He leaves for a while and comes back with this

Oh, I LOVE scum hunting <3 Now that is out of the way, be my guest and make up some more reasons to vote me that simply are not true. Also you do realise that certain attitudes can be used for scum hunting?No?

I'm not mad, I'm absolutely FABULOUS

This seems like he's just purposely being difficult. I understand that during Day 1, there isn't a whole lot of good evidence to go on, but posts like this don't really stimulate discussion, they just make you a target.
I feel like this post makes Robin more suspicious, until he backs up his words with actual evidence, he is the best lynch candidate

##VOTE: Robin Aisaga

 

[Camoclone]

If anyone hammers even accidentally you are 100% dead tomorrow. We are getting close with Robin.

 

[Professor Palutena]

Oh, I LOVE scum hunting <3 Now that is out of the way, be my guest and make up some more reasons to vote me that simply are not true. Also you do realise that certain attitudes can be used for scum hunting?No?

I'm not mad, I'm absolutely FABULOUS

You're contradicting yourself here.

Thank you for reaffirming that my vote is in the right place by building a case on yourself by yourself.

From not voting to not scumhunting, this play is uncharacteristic of you. The passive aggressiveness is also entirely unwarranted and completely out of character.

Also, am I the only one viewing Jesi's VLA as "I don't want to talk right now", especially as she was so active right before it was posted? To me, it seems like she's using VLA to get away from suspicions. Of course, it's not going to work when she comes back later today.

 

[Scattered mind]

The Robin lynch has potential, but I'm not 100% sure what the case is. They did hop onto the Jesi lynch, but I'd say that most town players with lesser experience would do that because Jesi is definitely scummy. Their flip would give information on other players, but that's not a reason to lynch when better options are available imo.

I think this post explains well the case on Robin:

There's not really much to go off of, but I think they're interesting. Gonna try to write a small case in this post.


Like PP said, not voting hinders town. Without town votes, scum could easily make the lynch whatever they want. Are you waiting to hammer on the last day, and are just saying this to avoid suspicion? Also, "not much to discuss"? @Robin Aisaga, what are your thoughts on the votes on and behaviours of Inferno and TSM?


I said this before: Not obviously scumhunting does town no good. The town needs every possible lead they can get. I can also taste the sarcasm so strongly from here. You seem very annoyed in this line. I do also think Camo would've elaborated more than he did, though, so that's a little strange...
In addition to this, you sound like you're reluctant to scumhunt. Possible tell?


Reading this post, I don't think you read this:

You dodged his question here. What evidence do you have from those points I have conveniently quoted at the top of this post? Why are those relevant? Why should we be looking further into those instead of you, or TSM, or me? Are they scumtells?

Right now, I'm feeling unsure about my vote on TSM. Switching it for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Robin Aisaga
Please answer the questions I've presented to you.

As for the Wailord case: I think that when scums want to jump on a wagon they indeed feel like justifying their vote by echoing, but townies can do that too. Same thing goes when scums try to hop off a dead wagon, only here, it is more common for scum, imo, than town to echo when they unvote. Not sure if that's the main point of your case, but it is not something I feel that is stronger than the points on Robin and Jesi.

 

[TheAnticipationEevee]

"
Just a note, Reinforce never participates in RVS, so this is pretty standard for him.

[/QUOTE]

Oh, did not know that :O

Shame that he doesn't participate... ever

I guess

##UNVOTE

@simsands would you like to join the conversation too!