@Reinforce Thoughts on Day 1 before the lynch please.
Finished Mafia XXXVII: Celever's School Grades ~ Game Over!
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So, I feel like scattered mind isn't really a valid lynch candidate at this point. His questions seem to be logical and are a good way of engaging with other players and making sure they can give actual evidence, which is a good thing.
The other more recent possible lynch candidate is Professor Palutena and looking back at their posts the only thing that jumps out as me as suspicious is the neighborhood thing, but that's not necessarily scummy, just worth noting for the future. I could easily see there being a scum member infiltrating the neighborhood, but without knowing all the details I can't say much. For now, PP is leaning town for me, because there is good intentioned scumhunting, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on them
For me, Robin still seems like the best case of lynching today. I'm somewhat intrigued in what his "back up" is for his behavior so far, but it seems like just a way of buying time preventing an early lynching, just hoping that we'll forget about him later on in the game.
Some have pointed to this as buddying, but personally I don't think that really constitutes that. Maybe I'm wrong, but buddying is more agreeing with another player or actively defending any criticism, consistently throughout a game. This is just acknowledging possible flaws in an argument.
The other more recent possible lynch candidate is Professor Palutena and looking back at their posts the only thing that jumps out as me as suspicious is the neighborhood thing, but that's not necessarily scummy, just worth noting for the future. I could easily see there being a scum member infiltrating the neighborhood, but without knowing all the details I can't say much. For now, PP is leaning town for me, because there is good intentioned scumhunting, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on them
For me, Robin still seems like the best case of lynching today. I'm somewhat intrigued in what his "back up" is for his behavior so far, but it seems like just a way of buying time preventing an early lynching, just hoping that we'll forget about him later on in the game.
Who do you see as a valid lynch candidate then?
Noted, will keep in mind for future games....
Meh, I'm going to stop the act now. I thought it would be an interesting approach to take an offensive stance and make matters personal. It's just a game after all. But a jerk is still a jerk is how I feel about it so I'm going to stop. Though, It's really nice to see that players do use some of their feelings for their decisions.
Now for some contribution, I could've showed it earlier today but that may have prevented discussion. I received a random ability, though a name is not included. This ability is either from Palutena or another member of the Mafia Team.
Active: Gaydar
Drama is a stereotypically “gay” activity, and though stereotypes are usually totally wrong, in this case you really are fabulous. Being gay in school is a minefield, and you’ve been separated from the only other gay in school! Every night, including night 0, until you find your partner, please PM Celever “Night X -- Ask [user1] if they’re gay”. If you correctly identify your partner, a mason chat will be initiated between you. Your partner will be part of the mafia team.
Drama is a stereotypically “gay” activity, and though stereotypes are usually totally wrong, in this case you really are fabulous. Being gay in school is a minefield, and you’ve been separated from the only other gay in school! Every night, including night 0, until you find your partner, please PM Celever “Night X -- Ask [user1] if they’re gay”. If you correctly identify your partner, a mason chat will be initiated between you. Your partner will be part of the mafia team.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: PROFESSOR PALUTENA
I don't think there's much more to it... I could argue how Palutena lied about there being multiple gays, but simply being part of the mafia should suffice. I know this info comes a little late but my Lynch is absolute nonsense. You won't get any good information from my dead, I can tell. And people are confused about my allignement? Seriously like we cleared anyone town or scum...
Yep, that's my role.
Seems I missed the part about there being only one gay though (not like anyone would believe it at this point though). This does check a few things for me though, namely that the other gay is likely scum (why would they be neighbors as opposed to masons then?)
I had seen many roles like this before where the number of correct targets for neighborizing was 2 or more, so my assumption was the same here (which is what I get for reading my role PM while studying for midterms; I literally just looked at a syntax). To be fair, I did ask Celever if there were multiple correct targets for Gaydar and was given a "I can't comment" answer even though the role PM had the answer in it for me, so I'm personally confused here. I'd like to think that if there was just one Gaydar target, he would've told me to read the PM harder.
Lets backpedal then.
Seems I missed the part about there being only one gay though (not like anyone would believe it at this point though). This does check a few things for me though, namely that the other gay is likely scum (why would they be neighbors as opposed to masons then?)
I had seen many roles like this before where the number of correct targets for neighborizing was 2 or more, so my assumption was the same here (which is what I get for reading my role PM while studying for midterms; I literally just looked at a syntax). To be fair, I did ask Celever if there were multiple correct targets for Gaydar and was given a "I can't comment" answer even though the role PM had the answer in it for me, so I'm personally confused here. I'd like to think that if there was just one Gaydar target, he would've told me to read the PM harder.
Lets backpedal then.
Because it was still very early in the day. Also I hoped I could convince Palutena to remove his vote when I said ''I'm not mad, I'm fabulous''
I absolutely agree. PP's case seemed incredibly forced, and scattered is playing like he always does.
Wait wait wait
Did PP just claim this ability? There is no way that it belongs to a town aligned player.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Professor Palutena
The host gives safeclaims though...
Hmm... what's the point of the Mason chat? If PP were town then as soon as He found his scum partner he would logically step call him out and get him lynched.
Unless PP's role is designed to be this games "cop" I don't see the point of the Mason chat.
You never believe anything a confoscum member would post so it seems dumb
##unvote Wailord
##vote Professor Palutena
Not to be that guy who calls indie, but if PP were an indie then there could be a benefit to knowing that his partner is a member of the scum faction.
Unless PP's role is designed to be this games "cop" I don't see the point of the Mason chat.
You never believe anything a confoscum member would post so it seems dumb
##unvote Wailord
##vote Professor Palutena
Not to be that guy who calls indie, but if PP were an indie then there could be a benefit to knowing that his partner is a member of the scum faction.
-Voting: I don't know why I haven't use my vote yet, I could technically use it as a pressure tool on TSM or Jesi, but that would not be my opinion that this is the one I think is scum. Your philosophy kinda ignores pressure votes, which I often use,(but simply didn't use them this game, no idea why). When I vote, and you can check it in other games, it's either a pressure vote, a case that I started, and if that's a wagon vote, meaning it's me going for a current case that I think is good) then that vote comes really late after a lot of questions I ask to make the case clear for me, and to see that it is good.
-My short questions are not there to contain info, but to gain info.
-Jesi: As an experienced player (not that experienced but whatever) that saw new and old players do "by the book" scummy things(TGK, Jesi, SS) and getting lynched D1 although they do that all the time or most of the time, I feel that it is not wise to ignore the obvious scummy things, but it is also important to acknowledge that they are very easy target for scums, and thus it is important to dig in and find extra evidence (something scummy that is not by the book, when by the book means their meta like AtE OMGUS bandwagoning etc). That is why I gave attention to the case, with taking posts from other games to find something that contradicts her play, and I did find a little thing, however, I don't mind to wait and see how things go with her for the next day.
-If my opinion is not clear, let me simply clear it for you: I think Jesi is scummy by the book, I did find something that is not by the book scummy for her but I am willing to see how she is doing tomorrow. Robin is very aggressive, he can't stop bandwagoning and try to insult people and I am genuinely confused from this play of his. It does remind me of what happened with another player who got annoyed, arrogant and aggressive and he was scum, but I agree with SS that this also reminds what happened with SS when he was town D1. I know you hate to hear that but what can I do, I need more evidence. I said that I'm not sure that Wailord's case is stronger than the current cases on Robin and Jesi partly because they are stronger (the Wailord case is about how he unvoted once the wagon on TSM died and how he took care to explain it, bb posted another thing about that that I have not read yet, though) and also to get bb to share his thoughts on the other cases and to make him tell why this case is better than the current cases (which shortly after he did), and I didn't vote either Robin or Jesi because I needed more evidence in each case.
Well ain't this just peachy. This is what Celever sent me.
Active: Gaydar
The performing arts are a stereotypically “gay” activity, and though stereotypes are usually totally wrong, in this case you really are fabulous. Being gay in school is a minefield, and you’ve been separated from the only other gay in school! Every night, including night 0, until you find your partner, please PM Celever “Night X -- Ask [user1] if they’re gay”. If you correctly identify your partner, a mason chat will be initiated between you. Your partner may be a part of the mafia team, however.
##UNVOTE: scattered mind
##VOTE: Professor Palutena
Look into Robin tomorrow if (read: when) my flip doesn't match his quote because I have suspicions that he's the other gay role, and thus mafia aligned. This is the best lynch for getting info.
This role is dumb as hell and I'll be glad to be rid of it.
Active: Gaydar
The performing arts are a stereotypically “gay” activity, and though stereotypes are usually totally wrong, in this case you really are fabulous. Being gay in school is a minefield, and you’ve been separated from the only other gay in school! Every night, including night 0, until you find your partner, please PM Celever “Night X -- Ask [user1] if they’re gay”. If you correctly identify your partner, a mason chat will be initiated between you. Your partner may be a part of the mafia team, however.
##UNVOTE: scattered mind
##VOTE: Professor Palutena
Look into Robin tomorrow if (read: when) my flip doesn't match his quote because I have suspicions that he's the other gay role, and thus mafia aligned. This is the best lynch for getting info.
This role is dumb as hell and I'll be glad to be rid of it.
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What even?
Mason= players that knows each other's alignment (both town) by definition. Neighbors do not. It just doesn't make sense. After all, what's the difference between a mason and a neighbor? Or am I missing something?
What even?
Mason= players that knows each other's alignment (both town) by definition. Neighbors do not. It just doesn't make sense. After all, what's the difference between a mason and a neighbor? Or am I missing something?
You already identified the difference.
It's a small difference, but it makes all the difference in the world.
It doesn't matter if the host gives safe claims... it makes robins claim stronger. Unless robins ability is worded in a way that implies it gives safe claim results then the results robin gains from Celever are more trustworthy than the person being accused because PP most likely has the safe claim since Robin has allegedly posted host given results
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