Finished Mafia XXXVIII: Battle for the Republic (Congratulations Darth Sidious!)

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So, just took a quick skim over simsand's earlier posts, and it reminded me that a lot of his early play was fairly passive (asking questions) and didn't really comment on major things that are happening. It pinged my scumdar then, but I didn't really bring it up cause it can be a legitimate scum-hunting depending on their play during Day 3 and 4. Since simsands was pushing for lynches then, I'm going to put down their passive questioning to scumhunting as oppose to "trying to look like town".

That really only leaves the aggressive push on Robin when the other wagon was on scum, for me. I don't think that's enough to lynch someone on its own, especially since simsands could still be right on Robin (although I don't think Robin is scum). The other thing that pings my scumdar is the fact that there isn't really anything that simsands has done that is particularly townie (iirc), which is strange. But still not enough for a lynch.

##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi She's my other scumread for a number of points already mentioned by Vracken and a few others. Jesi was defending rainy for a bit until they voted them while not think they were scummy (strange in its own right). quaking was also defending rainy in a similar way, and while not a major thing, it's more important considering the other scummy stuff. There's also this, which could be scumbuddying. Jesi aslo tends to not attach herself to wagons yet subtly push them this game, which is standard scum play. I'll have to find the specific posts later when I have time. Finally, there's that hammer scenario, which I mentioned already, it doesn't seem genuine to me.

I think there's a few things that have been, or could be, brought up against Jesi that I think are neutral, so I thought I might mention those. She doesn't always prioritise Mafia over other things. She says she has been quite busy with school, but she clearly has time to be active in the Skype chat and to make her various art pieces. I think she got lynched as town before due to a similar inconsistency. I also think she did got around apologising for her absence and not contributing much else in another game as town, but I can't remember that clearly.

I think that @Robin Aisaga and @PikaMasterJesi both should claim, since it looks like the lynches are going to be pretty close and either could get lynched. I think we need have as much information to go off as we can, for both now and for future.
 
I can claim if you like. Do you want my night actions too? I'm going to presume so, so I'll add them in:

Bail Antilles

Alignment: Republic (Senator)

A rather popular Senator of the Republic, you were one of the 3 closely considered candidates for the position of Chancellor of the Republic. Unfortunately you were trumped at the line, but that hasn't reduced your popular and much loved status with the people of the Republic.

Passive Ability: Favoured
Following the Vote of No Confidence against Chancellor Valorum you were one of the favourites to become Chancellor, though you were trumped by Sheev Palpatine. Your popularity has netted you a large fanbase who often support you. Throughout the game, if you vote ##FOR a Senate Order and the Order is passed, you will receive an Ability for the duration of the following Day Period.

Win Condition: All anti-Republic aligned players are eliminated.
Before I forget, I'mma do ##FOR because I want abilities. Being vanilla at night isn't the greatest, but at least I don't have to worry about sending in an action at night.
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Bail Antilles

Alignment: Republic (Senator)

A rather popular Senator of the Republic, you were one of the 3 closely considered candidates for the position of Chancellor of the Republic. Unfortunately you were trumped at the line, but that hasn't reduced your popular and much loved status with the people of the Republic.

Passive Ability: Favoured
Following the Vote of No Confidence against Chancellor Valorum you were one of the favourites to become Chancellor, though you were trumped by Sheev Palpatine. Your popularity has netted you a large fanbase who often support you. Throughout the game, if you vote ##FOR a Senate Order and the Order is passed, you will receive an Ability for the duration of the following Day Period.

Unlocked Ability (Day 2): Double Time
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0.

Win Condition: All anti-Republic aligned players are eliminated.
Gonna do ##FOR again. Here's hoping I don't get nerfed again.
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Bail Antilles

Alignment: Republic (Senator)

A rather popular Senator of the Republic, you were one of the 3 closely considered candidates for the position of Chancellor of the Republic. Unfortunately you were trumped at the line, but that hasn't reduced your popular and much loved status with the people of the Republic.

Passive Ability: Favoured
Following the Vote of No Confidence against Chancellor Valorum you were one of the favourites to become Chancellor, though you were trumped by Sheev Palpatine. Your popularity has netted you a large fanbase who often support you. Throughout the game, if you vote ##FOR a Senate Order and the Order is passed, you will receive an Ability for the duration of the following Day Period.

Locked Ability (Day 2): Double Time
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0.

Unlocked Ability (Day 3): Double Suspect
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked you may PM me a player name. That player will have an additional vote placed on them. This vote is anonymous and cannot be changed.

Win Condition: All anti-Republic aligned players are eliminated.
I would like to place my extra vote on rainyman123 so as to lynch him.
Gonna vote ##For. This role is actually pretty cool, now that I've had more playtime with it.
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Bail Antilles

Alignment: Republic (Senator)

A rather popular Senator of the Republic, you were one of the 3 closely considered candidates for the position of Chancellor of the Republic. Unfortunately you were trumped at the line, but that hasn't reduced your popular and much loved status with the people of the Republic.

Passive Ability: Favoured
Following the Vote of No Confidence against Chancellor Valorum you were one of the favourites to become Chancellor, though you were trumped by Sheev Palpatine. Your popularity has netted you a large fanbase who often support you. Throughout the game, if you vote ##FOR a Senate Order and the Order is passed, you will receive an Ability for the duration of the following Day Period.

Locked Ability (Day 2): Double Time
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0.

Locked Ability (Day 3): Double Suspect
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked you may PM me a player name. That player will have an additional vote placed on them. This vote is anonymous and cannot be changed.

Unlocked Ability (Day 5): Bandwagon Breakdown
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0. During this Day Period you may vote as normal in your Role PM conversation. Votes placed in this conversation will be worth 1, and will be anonymous.

Win Condition: All anti-Republic aligned players are eliminated.
Awww man! This is much better than my Day 2 ability! Now I can vote without getting myself in suspicion for changing my vote around!

##Vote: NinjaPenguin

I'm feeling safe with my vote here for now, as he felt a bit pushy. I'm relatively bad at getting reads on people though, so I dunno.
##Unvote
##Vote: Robin Aisaga
 
My problem with Jesi is how she responded to being called out, and to when quaking voted himself.
To me, Jesi is generally so conscious about not having a scumtell that her responses read as genuine to me. I might be wrong though.
How is Robin's posting pattern and content completely different to their meta?
In the past, he was always posting and never lurking. Now, he is never posting and lurking all the time.
Isn't he normally OMGUSy?
He used to pay attention to other cases when deciding to OMGUS. Now, all he is doing is OMGUSing (besides a wagon on QP).
I wouldn't say this brand of AtE that you are referring to is new or scummy on both accounts.
Looking through that game, it does look pretty similar. The only major difference is the "___ much" comments, which I guess just stuck in my mind.

I can claim if you like. Do you want my night actions too? I'm going to presume so, so I'll add them in:
That claim looks incredibly anti-town. Why would a townie want to lie about their votes? Can you tell us when you placed those votes today?

##UNVOTE: Robin Aisaga
##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi
 
That claim looks incredibly anti-town. Why would a townie want to lie about their votes? Can you tell us when you placed those votes today?
It's not that I would want to lie about my vote so much as that I would want to freely vote without having to get under fire for where I put my vote, or when I switch it. The vote on NP (you) was placed when I saw my new role (post says "Monday at 9:58 pm"), and the vote on Robin was placed yesterday (post says "Yesterday at 9:41 pm").
 
Oh goodness. That claim.

Okay the thing is, it looks really edited to me. It looks to me like Jesi is trying to rationalize each of her Night Actions to us here and now, when she wouldn't have bothered rationalizing them to SS by PM. Like, "I'm feeling safe with my vote here for now, as he felt a bit pushy. I'm relatively bad at getting reads on people though, so I dunno."? There's no point saying that to a GM. There's every point in saying that to an audience that has, through bb leading, awarded NP significant towniepoints.
 
Oh goodness. That claim.

Okay the thing is, it looks really edited to me. It looks to me like Jesi is trying to rationalize each of her Night Actions to us here and now, when she wouldn't have bothered rationalizing them to SS by PM. Like, "I'm feeling safe with my vote here for now, as he felt a bit pushy. I'm relatively bad at getting reads on people though, so I dunno."? There's no point saying that to a GM. There's every point in saying that to an audience that has, through bb leading, awarded NP significant towniepoints.
It's not edited. I tend to make these sorts of remarks in my role PMs. Take that as you will, but I took everything and posted it as it was in my conversation.
 
It's not edited. I tend to make these sorts of remarks in my role PMs. Take that as you will, but I took everything and posted it as it was in my conversation.
Can anyone who has modded a game that Jesi has played in confirm/deny this?
 
Can anyone who has modded a game that Jesi has played in confirm/deny this?
I'm not too sure. It doesn't strike me as particularly out of character for Jesi. I did find that "Do you want my Night Actions" thing weird considering Jesi's actions are Day actions, though I forgot about the Senate's Orders which are technically night actions. Anyway, the role itself isn't particularly townie, so I'm fine with my vote.
 
Okay, not gonna lie, Jesi's role does look like it could belong to scum. I still think Robin is a better lynch, though.
 
Looking at that claim, I noticed that the 3rd quote (Where she gained her 0 vote weight) and the 8th quote (where she gained her role PM vote) both link to the same thing, which means that claim is a lie.
 
Due to some stuff in real life I'm going to sub out at the end of the day. I'm going to leave it up to the new player wether they want to post a full role claim. Sorry wish I could be more helpful.
 
Looking at that claim, I noticed that the 3rd quote (Where she gained her 0 vote weight) and the 8th quote (where she gained her role PM vote) both link to the same thing, which means that claim is a lie.
Good catch! Jesi definitely should be lynched.
 
Looking at that claim, I noticed that the 3rd quote (Where she gained her 0 vote weight) and the 8th quote (where she gained her role PM vote) both link to the same thing, which means that claim is a lie.

I don't understand. What do you mean by link to the same thing?
 
I don't understand. What do you mean by link to the same thing?
See those little arrow things next to her quote? Each of those links should have a different #number. However, if those links have the same #number, then they've been duplicated.
 
What are you thoughts on this potential slip, simsands?

I'm unsure - I don't see the point in quoting a different message as scum. It would make sense if she wanted to hide something from the original PM, but with the way her role is structured, it only looks like she copied a more recent role card and removed some parts of it just because.

Actually, while writing this, I realize that if she rewrote some part of her role, she might have been too lazy to write it over again, and instead simply copied the first message she rewrote.
 
Did I accidentally link the same message? Weird, I thought I got it all...
*checks*
Weird, I did. I never even noticed that. They're different messages though. I'm really confused. I went into my PMs and checked the messages, and they both have different numbers, so I'm honestly not sure what went wrong there. I copied using "Reply" and then copy-pasted what was in the quote (since that's how SS seems to be formatting my role), so like I said, I probably just messed up somewhere.
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Bail Antilles

Alignment: Republic (Senator)

A rather popular Senator of the Republic, you were one of the 3 closely considered candidates for the position of Chancellor of the Republic. Unfortunately you were trumped at the line, but that hasn't reduced your popular and much loved status with the people of the Republic.

Passive Ability: Favoured
Following the Vote of No Confidence against Chancellor Valorum you were one of the favourites to become Chancellor, though you were trumped by Sheev Palpatine. Your popularity has netted you a large fanbase who often support you. Throughout the game, if you vote ##FOR a Senate Order and the Order is passed, you will receive an Ability for the duration of the following Day Period.

Locked Ability (Day 2): Double Time
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0.

Locked Ability (Day 3): Double Suspect
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked you may PM me a player name. That player will have an additional vote placed on them. This vote is anonymous and cannot be changed.

Unlocked Ability (Day 5): Bandwagon Breakdown
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0. During this Day Period you may vote as normal in your Role PM conversation. Votes placed in this conversation will be worth 1, and will be anonymous.

Win Condition: All anti-Republic aligned players are eliminated.

Your role has been updated.
Bail Antilles

Alignment: Republic (Senator)

A rather popular Senator of the Republic, you were one of the 3 closely considered candidates for the position of Chancellor of the Republic. Unfortunately you were trumped at the line, but that hasn't reduced your popular and much loved status with the people of the Republic.

Passive Ability: Favoured
Following the Vote of No Confidence against Chancellor Valorum you were one of the favourites to become Chancellor, though you were trumped by Sheev Palpatine. Your popularity has netted you a large fanbase who often support you. Throughout the game, if you vote ##FOR a Senate Order and the Order is passed, you will receive an Ability for the duration of the following Day Period.

Unlocked Ability (Day 2): Double Time
During the Day Period that this ability is unlocked your vote will be worth 0.

Win Condition: All anti-Republic aligned players are eliminated.

Here's the requotes––this should fix it.
 
The quotes with the same number were quite clearly different quotes, so reposting the same quotes but changing the numbers doesn't change the case.
 
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