I guess idk. It just seems that would be tougher.
Metagame Expectations for Cities
- Thread starter Power Swing
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You're just saying things out of the open and base your whole list of "top tier decks" on your random things.
Gyarados will only have one more enemy to content with - Spiritomb (Before anyone says Luxray PA, I laugh in your general direction). Spiritomb can be annoyed by Regice, but 2 Spiritombs in a Hit 'n Run deck that KO's Gyarados will generally spell game. This, however, is only one of many decktypes.
Mr. Mime is no problem for Gyara. Never will be either.
Gyarados will only have one more enemy to content with - Spiritomb (Before anyone says Luxray PA, I laugh in your general direction). Spiritomb can be annoyed by Regice, but 2 Spiritombs in a Hit 'n Run deck that KO's Gyarados will generally spell game. This, however, is only one of many decktypes.
Mr. Mime is no problem for Gyara. Never will be either.
Wow I've been keeping myself away from these "Top Tier" threads for awhile, simply because I've never seen any one of these be actually correct.
I don't see this thread being any different, this looks to be the most internet-fad oriented metagame that I've seen in awhile.
First off, Gyarados is decent, but it seems that people treat it as the most consistent deck to ever exist. It had a decent showing as far a some Battle Roads are concerned, but then again if 50% of the Pokemon community plays a deck it is bound to win sometimes... If you miss the Sableye start then the match switches from a 70-30 in Gyarados' favor to about a 20-80 in the other sides favor. The game has progressed, and we are far beyond the days of needing a starter Pokemon. Gyarados will remain a threat, but it has never been the threat it was presented as.
Secondly, Gliscor.dek is one of the worst cases of overhype I have ever seen. A good friend of mine referred to the deck as "an inconsistent Shuppet" and he is right. From the way that people are saying that they are going to play Gliscor, they think that they can get a good start every time, and keep Gliscor's coming consistently, when it seems almost ridiculous to even think of that as a possibility. Gliscor can deal 80 with Night Slash + Expert Belt, while Shuppet can normally get around 70 damage pretty quickly. The Poison/Paralyze may seem nice, but people are still able to Spray that (people think that Power Spray gets stopped by Spiritomb lolwut) not to mention that all it takes is a Stadium other than BTS or a Cyclone Energy to slow down Gliscor. The more people start to play the deck, the more those who created it laugh as they prepare their Kingdra's and thier Obamasnow's for cities.
Thirdly, you people are missing some serious things out there, just because you are blindsided by some of these decks. Things like Rhyperior (50+ Rage with 190HP) or Gengar Spiritomb. People are also missing things like Absol SW, which can be perfect for messing with Gliscor, Shuppet, and anything that uses Spiritomb to start. Ariados MT is another great card for this format, as it can destroy Spiritomb with Unown Q.
I don't see this thread being any different, this looks to be the most internet-fad oriented metagame that I've seen in awhile.
First off, Gyarados is decent, but it seems that people treat it as the most consistent deck to ever exist. It had a decent showing as far a some Battle Roads are concerned, but then again if 50% of the Pokemon community plays a deck it is bound to win sometimes... If you miss the Sableye start then the match switches from a 70-30 in Gyarados' favor to about a 20-80 in the other sides favor. The game has progressed, and we are far beyond the days of needing a starter Pokemon. Gyarados will remain a threat, but it has never been the threat it was presented as.
Secondly, Gliscor.dek is one of the worst cases of overhype I have ever seen. A good friend of mine referred to the deck as "an inconsistent Shuppet" and he is right. From the way that people are saying that they are going to play Gliscor, they think that they can get a good start every time, and keep Gliscor's coming consistently, when it seems almost ridiculous to even think of that as a possibility. Gliscor can deal 80 with Night Slash + Expert Belt, while Shuppet can normally get around 70 damage pretty quickly. The Poison/Paralyze may seem nice, but people are still able to Spray that (people think that Power Spray gets stopped by Spiritomb lolwut) not to mention that all it takes is a Stadium other than BTS or a Cyclone Energy to slow down Gliscor. The more people start to play the deck, the more those who created it laugh as they prepare their Kingdra's and thier Obamasnow's for cities.
Thirdly, you people are missing some serious things out there, just because you are blindsided by some of these decks. Things like Rhyperior (50+ Rage with 190HP) or Gengar Spiritomb. People are also missing things like Absol SW, which can be perfect for messing with Gliscor, Shuppet, and anything that uses Spiritomb to start. Ariados MT is another great card for this format, as it can destroy Spiritomb with Unown Q.
hipoke said:
Umm yes I am actually mother gengar has dropped and what else do u feel should be on there. Jw
Power Swing said:
Mother gengar as we know it may be declining, but gengar lock with spiritomb, and spread with the X will be popular.
amisheskimoninja said:
Ok I could see that a little. While where at it how do you stop spiritomb?
Luxray gl lv.x?
FGD is devilishly hard to play. ppl can netdeck it all they want but only the top notch players can make it work. for cities i don't think it is going to be as strong as it was during BRs.
spiritomb only poses any kind of a stall threat to gyarados once gyarados and the fourth magikarp are KOed. so unless the opponent gets the KO with spiritomb or is playing a hit n' switch deck, spiritomb won't be active on the gyarados players turn, when he wants to use pokemon rescue. besides that, there are still easy ways for a good gyarados build to get around this, even if they do have two spiritomb in play (no, i am not telling how). as a gyarados player spiritomb looks like a cheap prize waiting to be taken.
spiritomb only poses any kind of a stall threat to gyarados once gyarados and the fourth magikarp are KOed. so unless the opponent gets the KO with spiritomb or is playing a hit n' switch deck, spiritomb won't be active on the gyarados players turn, when he wants to use pokemon rescue. besides that, there are still easy ways for a good gyarados build to get around this, even if they do have two spiritomb in play (no, i am not telling how). as a gyarados player spiritomb looks like a cheap prize waiting to be taken.
^very well reasoned. fgd is extremely hard to play, it certainly wont be as strong but, consider how many people started playing, gyara after it did well. or even how many played blazeray when it was never even good, ppl believe the hype too much for me to not expect some fgd. and as far as playing around spiritomb i agree with you completly.
What is FGD?
Flygon/Gardevoir/Dusknoir.
I think Speed Gengar and Metal Gengar both should be on the list. I've seen a lot of straight Gengar lately, but I think Metal Gengar will be played too.
I think FGD will do great as long as those dumb Shuppet decks don't start popping up.
They're ok, but Dialga G or Palkia lock or Dialga/Palkia just kill them.
DarthPika said:
Shuppet a serious threat? That's a laugh. Easily counterable. Dialga G, Gastly, any Stage two deck that plays Call, Machamp, Mewtwo X, SPIRITOMB (capped for emphasis) all destroy it. With so many counters, the deck is far from good, especially in a format of stage two decks that will play Spiritomb.