Thats why for me, im not using claydol. Im using 2-3 Uxie. They are less affected by "Invite and trap"
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I still play claydol, but I guess it depends on what you feel.
I play 2 Scoop ups. They are for Salamence's Double Fall power.
I play 1-1 Palkia G Lv X for the Uxie's.
Keeps my bench clear, and can mess up my opponent too.
I play 1-1 Palkia G Lv X for the Uxie's.
Keeps my bench clear, and can mess up my opponent too.
@ level100 arsenal owns Liverpool. LOL
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ROFLiron said:
Its too early to tell. Only played the deck once so far. Im still collecting the last few cards to the deck. I'll let you know later on when its tested more.
T-Tar is a great deck and spiritomb just made it better.
I think most ppl in this thread are jumping to theorymon to quickly to prove their point of what is awesome. firstly Salamence isnt that great yet. i can see a lot of potential problems with it, the biggest being the Flygon threat. yeah Sally can put Exploud in there as well, but it could turn into a mess very quickly. Very good power and ability to take extra prizes but you need a really solid build to keep him going once 1 is gone, i am not sure if Sally can do that...yet.
Gyarados is ok at best. there are simply to many counters out for him. 2 Mime and you are dead. and a smart player will use at least 1 Mime jnr. he is also a Gyarados killer, and that negates the Regice. Luxray GL is literally in every deck, i saw 1 in a 4-4 Claydol deck and he 1 shots him with a Crobat and Lucario GL in play. Dusknoir DP and SF also are autoloss and anything that devolves will win generally win against a Gyarados due to the fact it doesnt play Unown g. i also like the chances of a tech 1-1 Honchkrow just to ruin the Gyarados players plans and fill their bench.
SP is not dead yet. Absol g will see some play with the very big gengar threat coming. he is probably the perfect match for him, and a useful power that can wreak havoc on the opponent. Palkia g and Dialga g is still a very good locking beatdown deck with a lot of options for ppl to run a couple of surprises. Gengar is going to have the biggest spike in play i think. the lv.x is better than what i thought and there are too many cards to put it with to make it powerful. plus with so many varients teching against it will be rather diffucult. Tangrowth imo is rubbish. yeah he heals but boy is he slow. i would rather take my chances with Leafeon lv.x cause at least i will probably get 1 attack in.
DCE brings so many cards back into play, mostly GG but what ppl do with it is yet to be seen.
Spiritomb is little more than a 2 turn stall. lets face it, you cant win with it so you are eventually going to retreat it. Once you do decks will make comebacks and SP will be a little slower at the start but still just as effective.
Right now we live in a format that is so huge and varied it would be stupid of anyone to expect to know what you are up against and if you do then you deserve to lose.
PS how is the new Luxray crap. He has some potential
Gyarados is ok at best. there are simply to many counters out for him. 2 Mime and you are dead. and a smart player will use at least 1 Mime jnr. he is also a Gyarados killer, and that negates the Regice. Luxray GL is literally in every deck, i saw 1 in a 4-4 Claydol deck and he 1 shots him with a Crobat and Lucario GL in play. Dusknoir DP and SF also are autoloss and anything that devolves will win generally win against a Gyarados due to the fact it doesnt play Unown g. i also like the chances of a tech 1-1 Honchkrow just to ruin the Gyarados players plans and fill their bench.
SP is not dead yet. Absol g will see some play with the very big gengar threat coming. he is probably the perfect match for him, and a useful power that can wreak havoc on the opponent. Palkia g and Dialga g is still a very good locking beatdown deck with a lot of options for ppl to run a couple of surprises. Gengar is going to have the biggest spike in play i think. the lv.x is better than what i thought and there are too many cards to put it with to make it powerful. plus with so many varients teching against it will be rather diffucult. Tangrowth imo is rubbish. yeah he heals but boy is he slow. i would rather take my chances with Leafeon lv.x cause at least i will probably get 1 attack in.
DCE brings so many cards back into play, mostly GG but what ppl do with it is yet to be seen.
Spiritomb is little more than a 2 turn stall. lets face it, you cant win with it so you are eventually going to retreat it. Once you do decks will make comebacks and SP will be a little slower at the start but still just as effective.
Right now we live in a format that is so huge and varied it would be stupid of anyone to expect to know what you are up against and if you do then you deserve to lose.
PS how is the new Luxray crap. He has some potential
Okay, to answer your earlier question, Palkia G X is a little over crowded in the deck but it seems ok. I might swap it.
But, I played my Salamence Deck in 4 games yesterday. Won all of them.
VS Kingdra; I won. Salamence has such high HP he can endure dragon pump, and once powered, runs all over them.
VS Machamp; I won again. Resistance really helps me. Its a 60/40 in my favor.
VS: Flygon/Gardevoir; I won. It was close. I was snipping off his bench a bit to slow him down. Easily could of lost too.
VS: Machamp again; won. nuf said.
But, I played my Salamence Deck in 4 games yesterday. Won all of them.
VS Kingdra; I won. Salamence has such high HP he can endure dragon pump, and once powered, runs all over them.
VS Machamp; I won again. Resistance really helps me. Its a 60/40 in my favor.
VS: Flygon/Gardevoir; I won. It was close. I was snipping off his bench a bit to slow him down. Easily could of lost too.
VS: Machamp again; won. nuf said.
shadoworganoid said:
Are you serious? Wow, Flygon Runs over Mence! yeah have fun Sniping off the bench. What are you gonna snipe with ? The Arceus one? yeah the 50 + 20 is really gonna hurt when i drop my nidoqueen, and plus by the time you get a good 3 energy on Mence it will be DEAD sure you have your power but can you garentee an energy without using all the crappy techs in the deck? and sure use the crappy techs and it slows you down even more, i just think you have the whole Flygon matchup wrong :/
Flygon Varients > Mence Varients
Mence doesnt run the same amount of consitency as flygon. Look at Stallgon, how can mence beat that with the large amount of techs? or Flychamp, how can they beat that when your getting a KO every turn which he/she is trying to get Energy, Mence, Claydol and a varienty of techs.
Once again
Flygon Varients > mence varients
Once again
Flygon Varients > mence varients
gyarados must be the most misunderstood deck in the format right now. 90% of the criticism/counters i see of it are rather minor, but the authors act like they're presenting an auto-loss. there must be some bad gyarados builds at a lot of local leagues to perpetuate this perception. unless these posts are being secretly made by people planning on playing gyarados at cities and they are deliberately talking the deck down to lure other players into focusing on other things. which they should be anyhow, flygon is BDIF until proven otherwise.
@ shadoworganoid, yeah it is a great idea but i just couldnt get pgx to work as well as was hoping either.
@ Dr. empoleon, flygon has solid lists cuz its been around, can you really expect that the best players are showing there sally lists prior to cities, and i dont think there has been enough time for sally to even have been play tested enough to have as solid a list as some good flygons do however there is still some time to make it happen. also shadoworganoid said that it was close and easily could have lost. what about that statement mystified you so much as to wow at it?
@ Dr. empoleon, flygon has solid lists cuz its been around, can you really expect that the best players are showing there sally lists prior to cities, and i dont think there has been enough time for sally to even have been play tested enough to have as solid a list as some good flygons do however there is still some time to make it happen. also shadoworganoid said that it was close and easily could have lost. what about that statement mystified you so much as to wow at it?
Dr.empoleon said:
I dont make the numbers, I just report them. If you think Flygon is better, come find me and prove it. Either way it will be about 50/50.
The techs in Salamence are not crappy. They may be a little rough around the edges, but they work well.
As for the sniping part, I am using the SW salamence. 100 damage to the bench. Have fun with that.
And with my Omistar tech, I can OHKO pretty much any pokkemon on the bench.
I tell you all one thing though; Salamence has a better gengar match up. Gengar Lv X's power will actually HELP salamence. It will let him use that Double Fall power again. Plus, unlike flygon, Salamence has "direct Hit" The damage from that attack is NOT affected by resistance or Flygon's Sand wall attack.
The only thing that Flygon has over sally is free retreat.
EDIT: Thank you ROFLiron, that was the other point i was going to make.
FLygon has been to Worlds and back. Its had LOTS of time to be tested and worked with. Salamence just came out. THe cards that are obvious now, could easily change after cities. This deck COULD end up being way better then flygon.
I bet it will be top 3 in WOrlds.
buddy, Bring it on shark and we will see how ur stupid 4 turns to hit 100 will work for yea
go on Beach chat and ill tell you why Mence isent as good
and buddy i think u ment top 4 not top 3 :/
go on Beach chat and ill tell you why Mence isent as good
and buddy i think u ment top 4 not top 3 :/