Metagame Expectations for Cities

Dr.empoleon said:
buddy, Bring it on shark and we will see how ur stupid 4 turns to hit 100 will work for yea
go on Beach chat and ill tell you why Mence isent as good
and buddy i think u ment top 4 not top 3 :/
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If its appropriate, you can say it here. Im technically in school right now so I dont have the luxury of "chat".

FYI: I love dragon cards. So naturally I love Flygon. However, I find Salamence as better still.


Brawler: I partly agree with you. When HG/SS comes out, all good decks will be affected.
 
Ok kid how is Salamence better than flygon? Sally takes 4 turns to charge up while a Machamp can use take out and stuff or Trapinch can start pulling up your claydol. You get the first prize I could start psychic locking T3 if im playing gardy/fly. Or I could just OHKO Sally with a flygon and your recovery is bad because it takes too long to get up. I don't see how you have a good matchup against fly unless you are playing bad players
 
100% right chanman! This kid doesnt understand that 4 energy for 100 is bad :/ and by the time he gets set up hes gonna get his dols and techs Ko'd
 
revdjweb said:
gyarados must be the most misunderstood deck in the format right now. 90% of the criticism/counters i see of it are rather minor, but the authors act like they're presenting an auto-loss. there must be some bad gyarados builds at a lot of local leagues to perpetuate this perception. unless these posts are being secretly made by people planning on playing gyarados at cities and they are deliberately talking the deck down to lure other players into focusing on other things. which they should be anyhow, flygon is BDIF until proven otherwise.
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Yes, Flygon is the BDIF right now, but Gyrados gives it competition.
 
Dr.empoleon said:
100% right chanman! This kid doesnt understand that 4 energy for 100 is bad :/ and by the time he gets set up hes gonna get his dols and techs Ko'd
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Okay... I hate Mence myself, because I think it fails, but any good Mence player plays the SF Salamence, meaning they're doing 100 for TWO, not four. A huge difference there. It's still a slow deck, but not as slow as what you're trying to make it out to be.
 
chanman45 said:
Ok kid how is Salamence better than flygon? Sally takes 4 turns to charge up while a Machamp can use take out and stuff or Trapinch can start pulling yup your claydol. You get the first prize I could start psychic locking T3 if im playing gardy/fly. Or I could just OHKO Sally with a flygon and your recovery is bad because it takes too long to get up. I don't see how you have a good matchup against fly unless you are playing bad players
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"Ok kid?!?"

Watch who your talking to there. I dont take too kindly to rude people.

Ehem, anyways;

Flygon has the same weakness too. Or did no one ever notice that? And actually, Salamence can get set up faster then flygon.

T1: (anthing active) (bagon on bench) googleanes for another Bagon and an Unknown A. Attach energy to Bagon. Rare candy or BTS to Salamence PA. Use him and unknown A to charge Bagon. He now has 2 energy on him. Uxie. Draw more cards. Oh, rare candy again to salamence SW. Switch. Direct hit for 50.
T2: Unknown A and Sally PA to charge 2 energies to Sally SW. (do whatever else you would do)
Now Lv up and snipe the bench for 100 and take 2 prizes.


Salamence may take 1 more energy then Flygon, but he can charge them faster with the help from Sally PA. So ultimately, sally takes less time to fully power up then flygon does.

You could sit there and tell me that "ideal circumstances" are far and few, but guess what? Every time I play someone, they allwasy get perfect luck. So its very possible.

Mechamp CANT use Take out to KO sally. And I will only allow it to kill my Basics I chose to. Sally resists Fighting.
I played against 2 mechamp decks and won both times without much trouble.
 
Dr.empoleon said:
DUDE hes using the SW one :/ 4 energy :/ look it up dude
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Oh, in that case I rest my case. :p

But yeah, if we're going to discuss about the METAGAME here, we need to be talking about the SF Sally, because the SW one is just a horrible choice due to huge Energy costs. There's no point in arguing about a terrible card that takes four Energy to do anything serious.
 
PokeChamp said:
Oh, in that case I rest my case. :p

But yeah, if we're going to discuss about the METAGAME here, we need to be talking about the SF Sally, because the SW one is just a horrible choice due to huge Energy costs. There's no point in arguing about a terrible card that takes four Energy to do anything serious.
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yup :p told you :p

Yeah who would use the SW one seriously? The SF one is the best and the one that will see most play
 
PokeChamp said:
Okay... I hate Mence myself, because I think it fails, but any good Mence player plays the SF Salamence, meaning they're doing 100 for TWO, not four. A huge difference there. It's still a slow deck, but not as slow as what you're trying to make it out to be.
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Sally does fail. If it isn't going to get the first prize, you go attack with flygon and depending on the plays, Flygon will one shot it or do 70 with an Upper energy and sweep with a gardevoir.

EDIT: Also shadoworganoid, I don't expect a fast salamence if you are playing 2-3 uxie and Palkia G Lv X AND Omastar. Dusknoir will eat you alive and I don't expect a 1-1 tech with Sally techs going very fast.
 
gengar the baller said:
If its FlyChamp you could get Machamp out quickly which really hurts a set-up reliant deck like Sally.
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I agree 100%. Champ can be up by at least T3 while a Salamence will take 4-5 turns to charge up. If not, then Flygon(s) will be charged up to sweep
 
chanman45 said:
Sally does fail. If it isn't going to get the first prize, you go attack with flygon and depending on the plays, Flygon will one shot it or do 70 with an Upper energy and sweep with a gardevoir.

EDIT: Also shadoworganoid, I don't expect a fast salamence if you are playing 2-3 uxie and Palkia G Lv X AND Omastar. Dusknoir will eat you alive and I don't expect a 1-1 tech with Sally techs going very fast.
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Yeah buddy thats why i say flygon will own mence for the reason being mence does get the Ko then upper up flygon and your good to go! and if he doesnt then Flygon will just sweep regardless!

Gengar the baller FTW!
 
gengar the baller said:
If its FlyChamp you could get Machamp out quickly which really hurts a set-up reliant deck like Sally.
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I hate it when I have to defend a terrible deck, but honestly, what's Machamp going to do against a huge HP Pokemon that RESISTS its attacks? Very little. Unless you donk Salamence, Machamp is virtually useless. Stephen Silvestro, the world champion himself, admitted that Salamence was Machamp's worst matchup. Machamp doesn't do very much damage unless you tank a huge amount of Energy in the first place, so Machamp does nothing in that matchup. You could almost say Machamp makes your matchup WORSE.
 
Dr.empoleon said:
yup :p told you :p

Yeah who would use the SW one seriously? The SF one is the best and the one that will see most play
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Ha! I use SW.
It may be a Turn slower, but 2 turns to power up is faster then Flygon still.

If the SW sally is so horrible, tell that to the Kingdra and Mechamp decks I beat with it. They had no chance.

I dont use the SF one because its body can be turned off easily.

And guess what else; Flygon is ONLY powerful under 2 conditions.
1. Its Leveled up and attacks another Lv X.
2. You have lots of stage 1 or stage 2 cards on your bench.

Sally is powerful by itself.


STOP ACTING LIKE FLYGON IS SOME SUPER GOD. IT IS OHKO'D BY SALAMENCE TOO YA KNOW.
 
PokeChamp said:
I hate it when I have to defend a terrible deck, but honestly, what's Machamp going to do against a huge HP Pokemon that RESISTS its attacks? Very little. Unless you donk Salamence, Machamp is virtually useless. Stephen Silvestro, the world champion himself, admitted that Salamence was Machamp's worst matchup. Machamp doesn't do very much damage unless you tank a huge amount of Energy in the first place, so Machamp does nothing in that matchup. You could almost say Machamp makes your matchup WORSE.
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Salamence is slow getting the evolutions out and a T2 Machamp is good for like 2 prizes that's good right.
 
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