Metagame Expectations for Cities

PokeChamp said:
I hate it when I have to defend a terrible deck, but honestly, what's Machamp going to do against a huge HP Pokemon that RESISTS its attacks? Very little. Unless you donk Salamence, Machamp is virtually useless. Stephen Silvestro, the world champion himself, admitted that Salamence was Machamp's worst matchup. Machamp doesn't do very much damage unless you tank a huge amount of Energy in the first place, so Machamp does nothing in that matchup. You could almost say Machamp makes your matchup WORSE.
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He was talking about flychamp. You see, Champ will take cheap prizes while a sally can get charged up. But when you use a 1 energy attach and set up your Flygons, it really isn't a problem. Fly can just sweep if you get a few cheap prizes.
 
shadoworganoid said:
Ha! I use SW.
It may be a Turn slower, but 2 turns to power up is faster then Flygon still.

If the SW sally is so horrible, tell that to the Kingdra and Mechamp decks I beat with it. They had no chance.

I don't use the SF one because its body can be turned off easily.

And guess what else; Flygon is ONLY powerful under 2 conditions.
1. Its Leveled up and attacks another Lv X.
2. You have lots of stage 1 or stage 2 cards on your bench.

Sally is powerful by itself.


STOP ACTING LIKE FLYGON IS SOME SUPER GOD. IT IS OHKO'D BY SALAMENCE TOO YA KNOW.
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Okay, you're going to power up a four Energy attack in two turns? Now that, my friend, sounds like some "SUPER GOD". =P

And don't use Machamp like it's a good deck. Machamp is horrible, especially against Salamence. I have no clue how you beat Kingdra. That almost seems impossible.

Also, the only thing that shuts it off is Dialga G Lv.X, which no one really plays anymore, so yeah.
 
gengar the baller said:
Salamence is slow getting the evolutions out and a T2 Machamp is good for like 2 prizes that's good right.
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WHY is it slower?
Give me a serious answer.

Bagon-Shelgon-Salamence
Trapinch-Vibrava-Flygon
Machop-Machoke-Machamp

All three of them are stage 2's.
They can all be rare candied.

Sally is NOT SLOWER TO EVOLVE THEN THE OTHERS. ITs simple fact.

EDIT: Look, guys. Im not here for a Flame war Ok? But you are all being very ilogical.
 
shadoworganoid said:
Ha! I use SW.
It may be a Turn slower, but 2 turns to power up is faster then Flygon still.

If the SW sally is so horrible, tell that to the Kingdra and Mechamp decks I beat with it. They had no chance.

I don't use the SF one because its body can be turned off easily.

And guess what else; Flygon is ONLY powerful under 2 conditions.
1. Its Leveled up and attacks another Lv X.
2. You have lots of stage 1 or stage 2 cards on your bench.

Sally is powerful by itself.


STOP ACTING LIKE FLYGON IS SOME SUPER GOD. IT IS OHKO'D BY SALAMENCE TOO YA KNOW.
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2 turns extra against flygon? you could kiss your mence goodbye! like Seriously the SF one is horrible? when you have top ranked players telling you that the SF one is the best ITS THE BEST! Flygon is only good when its leveled up? WTF do you mean about Flygon is only good when its Leveled up? wow... Fail! The point of flygon is to have Stage 1 and 2 on your bench! its called TECHS you understand? Yeah ooo Mence can OHKO flygon but by that time your Mence is DEAD!

yet i do believe Flygon came 2nd in 2 age divisions at worlds.. I would call it a god!

B-Ray: Dont flame others.
 
shadoworganoid said:
Ha! I use SW.
It may be a Turn slower, but 2 turns to power up is faster then Flygon still.

If the SW sally is so horrible, tell that to the Kingdra and Mechamp decks I beat with it. They had no chance.

I don't use the SF one because its body can be turned off easily.

And guess what else; Flygon is ONLY powerful under 2 conditions.
1. Its Leveled up and attacks another Lv X.
2. You have lots of stage 1 or stage 2 cards on your bench.

Sally is powerful by itself.


STOP ACTING LIKE FLYGON IS SOME SUPER GOD. IT IS OHKO'D BY SALAMENCE TOO YA KNOW.
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Ok you stupid little fudge, You get your cheap prize somehow with 2-3 uxies, a 1-1 tech, and a 1-0-1/1-1-1 line with your other sally techs. Flygon starts abusing upper energy while you have to get 4 energy (2 different types) and will AT LEAST 2HKO you. You have to discard 2 energies so you fall behind in energy while I can still use upper if u OHKO me. I can understand winning vs Champ, but against Kingdra?? You only 2HKO while Kingdra will 2HKO w/ bats and do a 20 snipe. You are obviously playing against bad decks. In flygon, set up is easy and I just set up a flygon swarm w/ clay/dnoir or nido and hit for AT LEAST 100 with your weakness. Sally is too slow and can't do much, especially with your version.
 
Dr.empoleon said:
Buddy you SOOOO dumb serisouly! 2 turns extra against flygon? you could kiss your mence goodbye! like Serioulsy the SF one is horrible? WHAT KINDA NOOB ARE YOU! when you have top ranked players telling you that the SF one is the best ITS THE BEST! Flygon is only good when its leveled up? huh? do you mean about Flygon is only good when its Leveled up? wow... Fail! The point of flygon is to have Stage 1 and 2 on your bench! its called TECHS you understand? Yeah ooo Mence can OHKO flygon but by that time your Mence is DEAD!

yet i do believe Flygon came 2nd in 2 age divisions at worlds.. I would call it a god!
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What? So your ASSUMING I SUCK?

Its not like YOU won worlds or somthing.
Why dont you quit it with the Flaming.

I perfer the SW sally and Its working so far. Blame it on luck or poor opponents. I dont care.



Dr.empoleon said:
The point of flygon is to have Stage 1 and 2 on your bench! its called TECHS you understand?
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So having lots of flygon techs are ok but not sally techs? Thats a little bias.



EDIT: Okay, you guys are really starting to piss me off.

STOP calling me stupid, noob, and other stuff. Its obvious you guys are like 10. Cause adults would leave out teh flaming.


I never once called any of you any names. So why dont you show me some respect.
 
shadoworganoid said:
What? So your ASSUMING I SUCK?

Its not like YOU won worlds or somthing.
Why don't you quit it with the Flaming.

I perfer the SW sally and Its working so far. Blame it on luck or poor opponents. I don't care.



Dr.empoleon said:
The point of flygon is to have Stage 1 and 2 on your bench! its called TECHS you understand?
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So flygon techs are good but not sally techs? Thats a little bias.
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no i dident win worlds! and no i dident say you sucked but me and chan were ranked 3rd and 4th in canada and We both quilified for worlds! did you? i have an idea! Use that piece of garbgage mence at cities and see how you do ok?
Yeah well Look at the diffrence between techs from flygon and mence :/
 
/me steps in

Flygon beats Salamence because of Sand Wall and consistency END OF DISCUSSION.

Anyway, Salamence itself is a good deck. I use 2 SF and 1 AoA but that's me. AoA for energy consistency and the SF for power. The SW one is unreliable and a very situational card so that's why I don't use it. ;p
 
shadoworganoid said:
WHY is it slower?
Give me a serious answer.

Bagon-Shelgon-Salamence
Trapinch-Vibrava-Flygon
Machop-Machoke-Machamp

All three of them are stage 2's.
They can all be rare candied.

Sally is NOT SLOWER TO EVOLVE THEN THE OTHERS. ITs simple fact.

EDIT: Look, guys. Im not here for a Flame war Ok? But you are all being very ilogical.
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It is not illogical when you are using a list cluttered with techs and using an attack that costs 2 for 50 and 4 for 100 WITH a discard. Your build has flaws, but in a Flygon you can abuse BTS for Claydol and can have many splashable techs. It is a fact when you do not play against good players, you can't really improve yourself.
shadoworganoid said:
What? So your ASSUMING I SUCK?

Its not like YOU won worlds or somthing.
Why don't you quit it with the Flaming.

I perfer the SW sally and Its working so far. Blame it on luck or poor opponents. I don't care.



Dr.empoleon said:
The point of flygon is to have Stage 1 and 2 on your bench! its called TECHS you understand?
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So having lots of flygon techs are ok but not sally techs? Thats a little bias.
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I'm not assuming you suck (though I should). You are playing against mediocre opponents with bad lists. I'm being extremely blunt cuz of your posts that make sally so good. Flygon can have ANY splashable techs while Sally will suffer badly from wasted bench space from pokemon that can't have free retreat ability etc

EDIT: I agree with Gailfail because Sally has so much to abuse with his line and he agrees Flygon beats salamence
 
Tell me somthing. ALl of you.

Are you guys even capable of carrying on an inteligent conversation? Really, are you?

Cause flaming is not.


Without techs, and support, Flygon IS faster. Agreed? Good.

WITH techs, support and a little luck, Sally is faster.
Sally "can" charge 2 energys in one turn. That means in 2 turns he can have all 4 energy needed.

I have yet to see ANY flygon deck that plays more then 1 energy in a turn. Have You? (dont answer that)


EDIT: Insult the deck, not the player.

I was running Luxape up until the pre release. Are you going to tell me Luxape is really horrible now?

If I wanted too, I could run a Flygon deck. I MIGHT build one on the side. Just because.



I have several reasons to use SW sally over the SF one.

1. Direct Hit avoids any possible normal resistance. (gengar) And it avoids Sand Wall's effect.
2. A good 100 damage snipe to the bench is Always nice.


If I want to attack straight up, I will use the Lv X to attack. 1 discard is not bad at all. And with Expert Belt, thats 1 energy discarded to do 120.
 
shadoworganoid said:
Tell me somthing. ALl of you.

Are you guys even capable of carrying on an inteligent conversation? Really, are you?

Cause flaming is not.


Without techs, and support, Flygon IS faster. Agreed? Good.

WITH techs, support and a little luck, Sally is faster.
Sally "can" charge 2 energys in one turn. That means in 2 turns he can have all 4 energy needed.

I have yet to see ANY flygon deck that plays more then 1 energy in a turn. Have You? (don't answer that)
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uhh wow i guess u never heard of dark flygon, only the deck that won Canadian nats :/
 
shadoworganoid said:
Tell me somthing. ALl of you.

Are you guys even capable of carrying on an inteligent conversation? Really, are you?

Cause flaming is not.


Without techs, and support, Flygon IS faster. Agreed? Good.

WITH techs, support and a little luck, Sally is faster.
Sally "can" charge 2 energys in one turn. That means in 2 turns he can have all 4 energy needed.

I have yet to see ANY flygon deck that plays more then 1 energy in a turn. Have You? (don't answer that)
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I hope that first line wasn't directed towards me because I certainly wasn't trying to flame. I was just stating my opinion :<

Yeah, Salamence does get energy on it faster, I will say that. Flygon is able to take advantage of its techs a bit more than Flygon because of Power Swing. Wind Erosion hurts Salamence because of the decking...thing. Sand Wall kills it pretty hard with a 2HKO and invincibility. Double Fall might hurt Flygon, but it makes Upper a happy card :p
 
shadoworganoid said:
Tell me somthing. ALl of you.

Are you guys even capable of carrying on an inteligent conversation? Really, are you?

Cause flaming is not.


Without techs, and support, Flygon IS faster. Agreed? Good.

WITH techs, support and a little luck, Sally is faster.
Sally "can" charge 2 energys in one turn. That means in 2 turns he can have all 4 energy needed.

I have yet to see ANY flygon deck that plays more then 1 energy in a turn. Have You? (don't answer that)
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You'd be surpised if you went to pokegym. LOL

Sally with techs gets extremely slow in your build that you describe. You would need A LOT of luck to get the set up you're describing. Especially if you miss an energy with the power and discard an important card. And there's dark Flygon, which can abuse upper energy too. LOL
 
Galefail said:
I hope that first line wasn't directed towards me because I certainly wasn't trying to flame. I was just stating my opinion :<

Yeah, Salamence does get energy on it faster, I will say that. Flygon is able to take advantage of its techs a bit more than Flygon because of Power Swing. Wind Erosion hurts Salamence because of the decking...thing. Sand Wall kills it pretty hard with a 2HKO and invincibility. Double Fall might hurt Flygon, but it makes Upper a happy card :p
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DONT BLAME GALE! Hes COOL! Grr

and umm what Gale said in human terms :p Flygon > mence :)
 
As I said back there a ways.

Insult the deck, not the player.

I was running Luxape up until the pre release. Are you going to tell me Luxape is really horrible now?

If I wanted too, I could run a Flygon deck. I MIGHT build one on the side. Just because.



I have several reasons to use SW sally over the SF one.

1. Direct Hit avoids any possible normal resistance. (gengar) And it avoids Sand Wall's effect.
2. A good 100 damage snipe to the bench is Always nice.


If I want to attack straight up, I will use the Lv X to attack. 1 discard is not bad at all. And with Expert Belt, thats 1 energy discarded to do 120.
 
shadoworganoid said:
As I said back there a ways.

Insult the deck, not the player.

I was running Luxape up until the pre release. Are you going to tell me Luxape is really horrible now?

If I wanted too, I could run a Flygon deck. I MIGHT build one on the side. Just because.



I have several reasons to use SW sally over the SF one.

1. Direct Hit avoids any possible normal resistance. (gengar) And it avoids Sand Wall's effect.
2. A good 100 damage snipe to the bench is Always nice.


If I want to attack straight up, I will use the Lv X to attack. 1 discard is not bad at all. And with Expert Belt, thats 1 energy discarded to do 120.
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Well... I think luxape sucked around worlds time, and it dident show very well at worlds but thats a story for the other day :p
so uhh your gonna build a flygon deck? you gonna use the SW one cause it seems you make highly meta decks bad by putting the bad versions in.
you really dont get that you wont get 4 energy before sandwall but what ever.
And please! attach that Expert belt to mence X! easy 2 prizes with flygon X!
 
shadoworganoid said:
As I said back there a ways.

Insult the deck, not the player.

I was running Luxape up until the pre release. Are you going to tell me Luxape is really horrible now?

If I wanted too, I could run a Flygon deck. I MIGHT build one on the side. Just because.



I have several reasons to use SW sally over the SF one.

1. Direct Hit avoids any possible normal resistance. (gengar) And it avoids Sand Wall's effect.
2. A good 100 damage snipe to the bench is Always nice.


If I want to attack straight up, I will use the Lv X to attack. 1 discard is not bad at all. And with Expert Belt, thats 1 energy discarded to do 120.
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Luxape is still good/decent. Just has it's ups and downs. Okay, then I guess build a Flygon. You do a mere 50 with Direct Hit while Flygon does 70 with Sand wall. You 3HKO while flygon can 2HKO. Damage is good but 4 energy attack is way too overpriced, good luck setting that up
 
Fine, how about this; How about we stop arguing about sallamence and flygon for now? Lets just wait and see what happens over time. Ok?


Dr.empoleon said:
so uhh your gonna build a flygon deck? you gonna use the SW one cause it seems you make highly meta decks bad by putting the bad versions in.
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Im going to ignore that.


As for building a Flygon deck, why change somthing that is perfect as is? So no, I wont use the SW one.


Let me propose a new topic.

What Flygon variant should I use? Hmmm? Which one is best and why?


EDIT: Galefail; I am not annoyed with you. You were not flaming so your still cool. You others (glares) were being....(bites tongue) imature I suppose.
 
Dr.empoleon said:
Im not leaving this topic until you admit that Flygon Owns mence :)
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Look, im never going to admit that. Even if it were true. I just wouldnt.

2 seasons ago when the EX series was allowed, I took second place at a cities event with Salamence EX. Ever since then, salamence has just been a great card and deck to me for personally reasons.

I love dragons too, so flygon is great. I just value salamence as better.

THey can both kill each other with little effort.




Quetion; If salamence Lv X had free retreat, would you still call it bad?
 
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