XY Mewtwo forme/Mewthree speculation.

Now that I think about it... the most appropriate really seems to just take 20 from atk and add to spA yeah xD

..Perhaps also shifting the defenses between themselves towards the special side.

I meant that its so unique and special...and artificially created to be awesome, it would be less weird if it was the top (instead of Arceus), not like one of the naturally occuring ancient ubers.
But of course I don't think that will happen with the forme. I meant more hypothetically.. if they just introduced Mewtwo now for the first time or something.
 
frezgle said:
They never gave new formes to old Pokemon before, either o_O Assuming they won't break certain patterns is rapidly becoming a futile thing to do.
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btw, when I said they never change the HP stat, I meant it's not a matter of breaking a pattern or not... As far as I know, they really can't change the HP stat because when a pokémon evolves or changes forme, its HP can only stay the same or increase, it can never decrease (Shedinja being the only exception but it always has 1 HP, so it works differently). Of course, increasing HP is only appliable to evolutions, because pokémon with interchangeable formes just can't have one forme with more HP than the other...
 
I'm also sure they have a technical reason for that.

Maybe the game doesn't know how to properly decrease HP so you can change forme an infinite amounts of time without the pokemon fainting or causing some bug. Altho if they reeeeaally wanted they probably could fix whatever the bugs is.
 
Well, HP is pretty much a Pokemon's "blood'. How can your blood increase without you evolving into a bigger, nastier guy?
But I doubt the BST will go up anyway. Still, it'll be fun to see Mewtwo's new stat distribution.
 
HP has always been the odd stat. No natures that boost it, nor lower it. I assume that they want to avoid that you can make a Pokémon faint by changing its form. Take a Pokémon with a HP of 100, it has taken some damage, and it is left with 20/100 HP. Now change it into its other form, that only has half the base HP of the original Pokémon (so it would have about 50 HP), and you would make it faint (or it will end up with -30/50 HP).
 
Mitja said:
I'm also sure they have a technical reason for that.

Maybe the game doesn't know how to properly decrease HP so you can change forme an infinite amounts of time without the pokemon fainting or causing some bug. Altho if they reeeeaally wanted they probably could fix whatever the bugs is.
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Yup, that's what I was trying to say but I was having a bit of trouble to explain...
 
Pokequaza said:
HP has always been the odd stat. No natures that boost it, nor lower it. I assume that they want to avoid that you can make a Pokémon faint by changing its form. Take a Pokémon with a HP of 100, it has taken some damage, and it is left with 20/100 HP. Now change it into its other form, that only has half the base HP of the original Pokémon (so it would have about 50 HP), and you would make it faint (or it will end up with -30/50 HP).
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Though that could be easily remedied by writing it so that remaining HP is treated as a percentage of max HP rather than an absolute integer, in the case of form transitions. In that example, it has 20% of its HP left, so in changing forms it could go from 20/100 HP to 10/50.

It could also be fixed by maintaining the amount remaining, rather than the amount lost - e.g. going from 20/100 to 20/50. This would be less ideal than the other method because HP loss could discourage changing from the high-HP form to the low-HP form at full health (100/100 -> 50/50 -> 50/100), but it's doable.

Another option would be to have the form activate only once the Pokémon has reached the 50% threshold - like Defeatist, only a form change. This avoids the losing HP problem entirely, since it can't enter this form with more than half its HP. It could revert back to regular form if it gets healed, but I think it would be more interesting if it were stuck in that form until some other criterion was met - that way the low HP stat would actually mean something, and it would be a more exciting risk to temporarily sacrifice that max health for a stat boost elsewhere.

(Got a little carried away there. I doubt any of this will apply to Newtwo, but it's an intriguing idea for another potential Pokémon.)
 
DorianBlack said:
Though that could be easily remedied by writing it so that remaining HP is treated as a percentage of max HP rather than an absolute integer, in the case of form transitions. In that example, it has 20% of its HP left, so in changing forms it could go from 20/100 HP to 10/50.

It could also be fixed by maintaining the amount remaining, rather than the amount lost - e.g. going from 20/100 to 20/50. This would be less ideal than the other method because HP loss could discourage changing from the high-HP form to the low-HP form at full health (100/100 -> 50/50 -> 50/100), but it's doable.
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It would work, I agree, but however they would do it, it would inevitably cause some problems. If the Pokémon has only 1/100 HP left (1%). You change it into its 50 HP-forme; you get 0.5/50 HP, but would they round it up to 1 HP, with the consequence that if it was reverted back to its original forme it would have 2/100 HP, thus effectively having doubled its HP?

I think this is something GameFreak would rather not mess with, in the end it would make it all too complicated for them. Thus, I doubt we will see any formes with changes in HP soon.

DorianBlack said:
Another option would be to have the form activate only once the Pokémon has reached the 50% threshold - like Defeatist, only a form change. This avoids the losing HP problem entirely, since it can't enter this form with more than half its HP. It could revert back to regular form if it gets healed, but I think it would be more interesting if it were stuck in that form until some other criterion was met - that way the low HP stat would actually mean something, and it would be a more exciting risk to temporarily sacrifice that max health for a stat boost elsewhere.

(Got a little carried away there. I doubt any of this will apply to Newtwo, but it's an intriguing idea for another potential Pokémon.)
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Darmanitan?
 
its probably not as complicated as it is...unnecessary.

maybe they simply feel like HP shouldnt change with formes for whatever nonsensical made-up reason.
 
It might be called MewX for all we know, but I'm pretty sure it is a psychic type. When will they release more information?
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Hey, ArceusManiac95, if you could not quote the whole first post that'd be great. It slows down the loading for some of us. I think it would be a safe bet to assume it's Psychic but Gamefreak could surprise us. As for new information your guess is as good as mine but CoroCoro is releasing soon as is Pokemon Smash. Keep your fingers crossed.
 
Ok, I can see it now.

The mewtwo with the female voice has the forme....
since the file of the picture on the website is named M2X.png,
its quite obvious that good old Mewtwo from movie1 will show up to save the day and utilize an M2Y.png forme.
 
Mitja said:
Ok, I can see it now.

The mewtwo with the female voice has the forme....
since the file of the picture on the website is named M2X.png,
its quite obvious that good old Mewtwo from movie1 will show up to save the day and utilize an M2Y.png forme.
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That actually sounds very believable.
X being Mewtwo's new forme name could be the reason that it's being kept secret, since if it had an X forme a lot of the fanbase would immediately assume a Mewtwo-Y is in the works as well.
One thought I had is that since current Mewtwo is Special-based, it could get 2 new formes, one focusing on Physical stats and the the other focusing on Defensive stats.
also, imagine the huge amount of butthurt Genwunners if Mewtwo does get a second new forme
 
I guess I'm OK with a second Mewtwo form, but it's not very beliveable.

Why would they reveal X form but not Y form? Kinda like revealing Black Kyurem but not White Kyurem.
 
Because a) to keep hype up, and b) because it doesn't look like it would have a counterpart forme at first glance.
 
Did anyone noticed that BIG Mewtwo in the cover? I assume that everyone did but didn't pay attention. There has been nothing about Mewtwo in the Corocoro so far and he is on the cover. Remember that we are missing leaks (the Gogoat and the Xerneas page which might include Mewtwo).
 
P.DelSlayer said:
Mitja said:
Ok, I can see it now.

The mewtwo with the female voice has the forme....
since the file of the picture on the website is named M2X.png,
its quite obvious that good old Mewtwo from movie1 will show up to save the day and utilize an M2Y.png forme.
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That actually sounds very believable.
X being Mewtwo's new forme name could be the reason that it's being kept secret, since if it had an X forme a lot of the fanbase would immediately assume a Mewtwo-Y is in the works as well.
One thought I had is that since current Mewtwo is Special-based, it could get 2 new formes, one focusing on Physical stats and the the other focusing on Defensive stats.
also, imagine the huge amount of butthurt Genwunners if Mewtwo does get a second new forme
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My guess would be the "female" (mewtwo will stay genderless Im sure, but Im refering by voices here) forme would have its stats shifted towards speed (while keeping a huge Sp.Atk)..and the yet unrevealed one having its offense shifted to physical attack


Keeping the other one secret is clever, because the "not old mewtwo" took of most of the heat by showing that Mewtwo gets formes in general. Now if they reveal that the old Mewtwo DOES return after all, and it has yet another forme, it will be much much more positive reaction in the big picture since even the gewunners have digested the idea of getting forms by then.


As for the stats, perhaps:
M: 106 110 90 154 90 130
X: 106 110 90 130 90 154
Y: 106 154 90 130 90 110

Basically the weird but amazing "154" jumping to places it hasn't been at before (Lugia and Ho-oh have the same numbers, but 154 on Sp.Def), while keeping Mewtwo a sweeper.
 
eh... I would prefer if they increased its Sp. Atk instead of turning Mewtwo into a physical sweeper... Mewtwo is the poster child of special sweepers... If the the new formes are stronger than the regular Mewtwo (meaning, increase in BST), I hope they just boost that Sp. Atk even more...

Also... wasn't the Keldeo-R form revealed only a few weeks before the movie premiered? It then makes sense that they're still holding the second forme as the final surprise...
 
The idea of Mewtwo having the Y forme is actually a really good idea! I mean they've been leading us on for so long with the new Mewtwo forme and then it sounding not like the original Mewtwo, so it does make sense that there would be something else they were hiding. It's pretty good marketing, if you think about it: Fans go in expecting to see new/same Mewtwo and get both and the old Mewtwo gets a new form and everything goes hype.

It'd probably go like: Xtwo saves day --> Semi-climactic fight with Genesects --> Cannot beat Sects --> Normal Mewtwo comes in and saves day and fights with Xtwo --> Happy sappy kid's ending (varying in between plot stuff not included)

I just hope that the Y form looks similar and not just like a really beefy masculine version. Like both smooth and slick but at the same time really powerful.
 
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