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My Top Tier list that I've gotten from my testing.

Tier 1:
Kingdra - Still no solid counters to it. The ones with Dialga G X will be on top.
Pokemon G - Crazy support = great deck. Skunktank's poison is more dangerous than you think.
Gigas - CAn beat Rampardos if played right and that and Machamp is its only bad match-ups.

Tier 2:
Rampardos - 80 for 1 and great type
TTerra - Good, if you get the right match-ups.
Dusknoir - Good lists will go far.
Leafeon - Is better for Shaymin than TTerra IMO. Good lists with the right techs will top.

Tier 3 through bad archtypes:
everything else.

Thats what I got from my testing. I haven't finished testing, but I don't it will change much. Anydeck from this list can win. You will probably disagree cause your deck isn't up there, well to bad.
 
I have a strong feeling that the meta-game in my area will be Shaytile and/or Dialga G. I'm countering these decks with my deck (Rampchamp):

Shaytile - Machamp

Dialga G - Rampardos
 
Chaos Knuckles, Rampardos is Tier 1. There is nothing more to that. I might make my own tier list and have it up by tonight.
 
Why are there tier lists going up now when testing with good lists haven't really begun and teching murdering 1/2 of that list? :/
 
... With the amount of good fire cards and DIALGA G lv X shutting off Shaymin X's body and Sceptiles Body I really don't see grass being good at all.

Ramparados is amazing but super fragile... if you go turn 1 or start with no fossil and no excavator to get a fossil you could be screwed for a long time. Even so your damaging your self with a Ko.

Scenario 1
I go first I start with Weaville Sp I call for Toxicroak and Skuntank you play TST and get a ramparados you KO me take 40 I poison you with Skuntank and do 60 then you take poison damage. What do you do because you can't Ko me and even if you get the PP you die from the damage you have to take. Next turn I drop a crobat G and then I then take control of the game with power spray....

Scenario 2
Vs Kingdra you go first I donk you. I go first and you probably donk me however if you don't you take a prize do 40 damage to yourself then take 60... thats 100 Next turn you will do only 80 to me.

Kingdra is so much better then the Dino trust me.

Dino rocks first turn like machamp... you better hope to god they son't set up at all because if they do your in for a beating (which ironically you will be delivering)


Anyone who plays Plox at states is not going to do well either.

And dialga G lvl x also really hurts the usefulness of Girantina lvl X I would also like to remind you Unown G prevents being sent to the lost zone from that attack.
 
^Skuntank doesn't poison unless YOU have a stadium in play. Also, by t3, most good rampardos have #2 up and ready. :/ Heck, most good rampardos lists have 2 ready by t2. Tool box (or whatever you want to call it) beats rampardos but definately not for the reasons you used.

Probably donk? You don't even donk a uxie start....Also, how do you get a t2 kingdra after your active just died? lol. After I gross your dol and kill your draw engine, kingdra scoops. Kingdra players are going to be in for a rude awakening once people start catching up and realzing how badly metagross/palkia kills the entire deck.

He does 80, then 40 and reduces....How does he get a beating? lol what does 80 for 1? :/

Probably not but never count out gardy.

By the time you get sent to the lost zone (or not), 1/2 of your board is trashed and the other 1/2 is boarderline dead. I doubt many will care if you bring one of them back to life.
 
i built a dustox deck from the new set and the poison damage is really gret doing 30-50 in between poison damage which is a really quick ko but i think that that is the deck ill run at states but im going to bring my t-tar and machamp decks just in case if i change my mind.
 
The bad thing about Girantina is it's energy cost... it will be dead before it gets that especially in such a speedy format.

Well that definately makes Skuntank not as good and I never said that was a reason just a scenario.

Kingdra can get a turn 2 start easily regardless of whether or not the active died especially since they can search their basic with roseannes. Gross is not a majorly used card.

I am not starting a what if debate. I have played this out at league and donks aside Kingdra tears Ramparados to shreads.
 
Foxtrot said:
Why are there tier lists going up now when testing with good lists haven't really begun and teching murdering 1/2 of that list? :/
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Please tell me what tech counters half of my list. I'll give you a hint its not Dialga G X. I find it offending to say my testing isn't good. I'd like see you put up a tier list.

EDIT: Celebi23: Rampardos has to many troubles(and problems) to be tier 1. Though just because its tier 2 doesn't mean it won't win. What wins is more dependant on how much its played, so it will likely(if it continues the same amount of hype) have a decent showing.
 
I'm not offending you. :( Even vs. Grass decks it has a chance. 80 for T1 while they get Shaymin, Sceppy and their main attacker out. If that's what you mean. If you have RS and Hamachi, we can test this. No offense intended, but I don't know how your list was. 80 for T1 with the right techs can even avoid all of the drawbacks. I'll admit... hey... woah... wait a sec. Machamp in Tier 3? Forget Rampardos. T1 free KO's as they struggle to set up, then level up as you build more Champ. 100 for 1 is awesome, then considering you still have a technical 90 HP at full health... And it isn't a fossil!

EDIT: Wait. I just sort of contradicted myself there...
 
^ Hey I'm sorry. Ignore the first part. Thats supposed to be to Foxtrot. The edited is the one thats ment to be focused to your comment. Machamp has never been tier 1 and won't be tier 2 after the next set. Flips = no good.
 
ChaosKnuckles said:
Foxtrot said:
Why are there tier lists going up now when testing with good lists haven't really begun and teching murdering 1/2 of that list? :/
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Please tell me what tech counters half of my list. I'll give you a hint its not Dialga G X. I find it offending to say my testing isn't good. I'd like see you put up a tier list.
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Tier 1:
Kingdra - Still no solid counters to it. The ones with Dialga G X will be on top.--Metagross, Alakazam, Palkia, SSU, pokehealer+, grass tech with water resistance (don't have a list on me atm but I could just go pokepedia it...or you could).
Pokemon G - Crazy support = great deck. Skunktank's poison is more dangerous than you think.--Counter stadiums, SSU, Girantina PT (power), TSD, zangoose/bastiodon (depending on what the list is more focused on).
Gigas - CAn beat Rampardos if played right and that and Machamp is its only bad match-ups.--Metagross, Palkia, Alakazam, Mespirit.

Tier 2:
Rampardos - 80 for 1 and great type--Dialgia G+resistance, Energy excel, Power stoppers (think I listed them all by now), grass tech with water resistance.
TTerra - Good, if you get the right match-ups.--Dialgia G, Power Stoppers, Blaziken, Metagross/Palkia.
Dusknoir - Good lists will go far.--You don't need to tech to beat dusknoir...lol. Energy excel just in case you think otherwise.
Leafeon - Is better for Shaymin than TTerra IMO. Good lists with the right techs will top.--Dialgia G, Blaziken, Power Stoppers, SSU.

Tier 3 through bad archtypes:
everything else.--lol horribly wrong. You haven't even listed 3-4 of the best decks around.

Theres no one universal tech that beats all decks. There are several techs that cover multiple matches, and decks that have a hard time with those matchups that a tech covers can easily walk away with a states. I think by you stating that Kingdra is still tier one that lack of testing is pretty evident. As for a tier list, theres not even a determined archtype list, and tier lists vary by region and player skills. So while yes, yours might be accurate for your area, I highly doubt it.
 
Why would I need to tech for matchups I already beat? Stuff like metagross and Blazekin are universal techs that can be added to pretty much any deck and help out matchups I lose to.
 
^ You lol everything I say. Then you say there 4-5 decks that I missed, that you couldn't even name. Dusknoir>>Metagross>>Blaze
 
lol why should I help you figure out what is going to be played at states? Please go review the good cards that have gained from PT and new decks from pt and come back to me. Also...lol what? Is that for techs? Yes, Dusknoir is a good tech but it doesn't help any matchups in general. It wins games (sometimes now) but should be auto-assumed by now.
 
Foxtrot said:
lol why should I help you figure out what is going to be played at states? Please go review the good cards that have gained from PT and new decks from pt and come back to me.
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Because then you can build a deck that might actually do well.
 
I already have several state-calibuar decks built, many of which aren't even on his list. And are you implying I won't do well or is that just me overreading what you wrote?
 
Foxtrot said:
I already have several state-calibuar decks built, many of which aren't even on his list. And are you implying I won't do well or is that just me overreading what you wrote?
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It's just you overreading what I wrote. :D
 
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