Official States Discussion Thread
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Flare said:
Actually, Rampardos has a lot of good matchups, not to mention it's worst weakness is beaten easily! The only thing this deck has to worry about, is Toxitank, and that is but one deck, and the rest are easily beaten. I think I'll take my chances, LOL.
I can hold my own against a Rampardos deck. It's not that hard, actually. In my 2 times facing Rampardos, the first game went down to the last prize, and the second game I had a chance of making a good comeback (he had 1 Prize, I had 2-3), but he used Warp Point and killed one of my benched pokemon.
As I said before, it isn't unwinnable. It has an auto-win against Regigigas, but that's pretty much it. Dialga G Lv. X also will stop it in its tracks.
It's no better than Kingdra, Machamp, or Dusknoir during CC's, and even they could be beaten.
As I said before, it isn't unwinnable. It has an auto-win against Regigigas, but that's pretty much it. Dialga G Lv. X also will stop it in its tracks.
It's no better than Kingdra, Machamp, or Dusknoir during CC's, and even they could be beaten.
Everyone- I am not saying that Rampardos is unbeatable. Rampardos is not perfect, I am aware of that, I have had my own share of losses, trust me. All I am saying is good luck after the T1 donk (yes Kingdra and Machamp can too, but they have more problems than Rampardos).
The Fallen One- Dialga G just shuts down bodies. Even without the body, Rampardos is still an absolute beast. I do have to agree with the fact that Kingdra and Machamp are just as fast, (in some ways that is) but a good Rampardos list will have an easy matchup against any deck (even Shamin... if played right) unlike the Kingdra and Machamp. Kingdra has too many needs, and Machamp dosnt have the power to do much late game and of course good ol' Unown G. Correct me if I am wrong, after all this is a discution, but that is my stand point.
The Fallen One- Dialga G just shuts down bodies. Even without the body, Rampardos is still an absolute beast. I do have to agree with the fact that Kingdra and Machamp are just as fast, (in some ways that is) but a good Rampardos list will have an easy matchup against any deck (even Shamin... if played right) unlike the Kingdra and Machamp. Kingdra has too many needs, and Machamp dosnt have the power to do much late game and of course good ol' Unown G. Correct me if I am wrong, after all this is a discution, but that is my stand point.
A good list of anything should have an easy match up agaisnt everything by that logic.
Srsly, how can you say Machamp and Kingdra have more problems than Ramparados?
Kingdra: Has to discard 2 cards to do 60-20.
Machamp: Can OHKO any basic not named Toxicroak G or something equipped with G. Has Rage.
Ramparados: Suicides it self when it get's a KO, meaning Toxicroak can OHKO you with a Crobat drop and poison, if you do end up using the second attack, Toxicroak still does an easy 40+Poison, Torterra still OHKO's, Kingdra and Champ still do stuff. Also it comes from a fossil, meaning your suicidal Dino can only have it's basic retrieved once a turn
Ramparados looks like it has the most problems there.
You can't call it BDIF when it looses to any player who can play around those donks.
Srsly, how can you say Machamp and Kingdra have more problems than Ramparados?
Kingdra: Has to discard 2 cards to do 60-20.
Machamp: Can OHKO any basic not named Toxicroak G or something equipped with G. Has Rage.
Ramparados: Suicides it self when it get's a KO, meaning Toxicroak can OHKO you with a Crobat drop and poison, if you do end up using the second attack, Toxicroak still does an easy 40+Poison, Torterra still OHKO's, Kingdra and Champ still do stuff. Also it comes from a fossil, meaning your suicidal Dino can only have it's basic retrieved once a turn
Ramparados looks like it has the most problems there.
You can't call it BDIF when it looses to any player who can play around those donks.
Your last point is laughable. What deck can't 2HKO?
Anyway, it's silly to even compare Machamp, Kingdra, and Rampardos. The only two things they have in common:
1.) They have an awesome one-energy attack
2.) They can donk sometimes
That's it. All three decks have quite different strategies.
Kingdra really doesn't need anything besides the good old Felicity's and Claydol. There's no way you can lock Felicity's, and Dialga G LV. X and Alakazam can shut down your silly old Mesprits and Ampharos' from locking my Powers.
The only two things that can truly lock Kingdra's Powers are G-103 (Only in SP decks) and Gardevoir. Either that, or you're going to have to KO/trap it.....which those aren't the best options around, considering I can always have a spare Claydol on the Bench.
Anyway, it's silly to even compare Machamp, Kingdra, and Rampardos. The only two things they have in common:
1.) They have an awesome one-energy attack
2.) They can donk sometimes
That's it. All three decks have quite different strategies.
Kingdra really doesn't need anything besides the good old Felicity's and Claydol. There's no way you can lock Felicity's, and Dialga G LV. X and Alakazam can shut down your silly old Mesprits and Ampharos' from locking my Powers.
The only two things that can truly lock Kingdra's Powers are G-103 (Only in SP decks) and Gardevoir. Either that, or you're going to have to KO/trap it.....which those aren't the best options around, considering I can always have a spare Claydol on the Bench.
Blue Thunder said:
Give me a break. All I am trying to do is tell everyone that Rampardos is a wonderful deck and that it is going to do amazing in states. I am not going to talk about this issue any more as it appears no one is taking any interest in what I have to say except for how bad the deck is. Good luck in states everyone I guess...
I realize it is a good deck, certainly, but it isn't the BDIF. In fact, I don't think one will truly exsist in DP-PT. There will still be a lot of different decks, and all of those deck have cons.
Blue Thunder is correct. Rampardos is nice, but not the best. It's like saying G&G was the best last year. Yet it was beaten in Worlds. And, I managed to beat one with Darkrai/Honchkrow. Of course, his starting hand was a Ralts, 6 energy and a Windstorm. :shy:
So, if Rampardos gets a start like that...it has very little chance of winning.
So, if Rampardos gets a start like that...it has very little chance of winning.
^Metagame in smaller tournaments never wins Worlds. Proven fact. 
And, yes, any deck can lose if they get that kind of start. Which proves that Rampardos isn't better than anything else.
And, yes, any deck can lose if they get that kind of start. Which proves that Rampardos isn't better than anything else.
It may not have been the best, but it was part of the Metagame, was it not? And the deck that won last year's World Championships in the Senior division was the perfect Plox counter.
No it wasn't... EmpoZong is the counter to plox. What Dylan played was an Empotech deck, which never actually used Bronzong. You can't say that Empoleon was the counter for Plox. What actually made that matchup was the Bronzongs.
...I meant Scizor/Toxicroak. The guy who made it actually came from my area. Never met the guy, though...
That was for the Junior division, although now that you clarify that statement, it does make sense...
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One of the biggest run of decks i think i will see is Ma champ and then Gengar/Dusknoir or SP phy pokemon to counter it. Alot of talk has surfuced about slaking but i havent seen a deck. I also wonder what rouge decks will be seen out there. With platinum out and alot of thoughts surfacing i cant wait to see what states will bring and what will dominate