Fatality said:
I would say 3 is the right amount. It's high enough to start with it, but low enough to not clog the deck.
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I would say 3 is the right amount. It's high enough to start with it, but low enough to not clog the deck.
Better for damage absorbing (and piling energy onto) early game than the attack 
The 30 early game never really does anything. It's nice against things like Black Kyurem (regular) and Terrakion, but as far as EX's go one or two 30 damage hits never seem to matter. Big Basics hates the DCE discarding though; it trolls their early game pressure with Tornadus and it forces them to attach regular energies to Bouffalant. It's also a great attack against the new PF Kyurem, it discards their energy and hits for weakness in the process.
The 30 early game never really does anything. It's nice against things like Black Kyurem (regular) and Terrakion, but as far as EX's go one or two 30 damage hits never seem to matter. Big Basics hates the DCE discarding though; it trolls their early game pressure with Tornadus and it forces them to attach regular energies to Bouffalant. It's also a great attack against the new PF Kyurem, it discards their energy and hits for weakness in the process.
r0naLd222 said:
I feel the deck can run without Tropical Beach, but not as well as it could otherwise.
PlasmaBox is a strange matchup, and some people are in disagreement about which one would win. I read on the PlasmaBox thread that Klinklang destroys them in practice, but I'm not totally convinced. As long as you get the Klinklang up then the matchup is alright. But if they start OHKOing Klinks with Thundurus early game, then you really don't stand a chance.
HAHA! sorry for the confusion Serperior
Thanks on the input. I also feel that the deck would lose a considerable amount of backup power without TB but I think it could still work. and about the PlasmaBox matchup, I honestly think the first one who gets to setup has the upper hand.
Keeper of Night said:
Thanks on the input. I also feel that the deck would lose a considerable amount of backup power without TB but I think it could still work. and about the PlasmaBox matchup, I honestly think the first one who gets to setup has the upper hand.
Oh wow. I feel like this matchup is relatively close. It's all about how quickly you get set up and start targeting those Kyurem before they hit you for big damage. It's not easy, but it's helpful knowing that we can OHKO Kyurem without a problem due to its Weakness. Continuously discarding Plasma Energy with Cobalion-EX will surely annoy them, forcing them to hit for 30+ (depending on the amount of Deoxys-EX they have up) and not much more. Cobalion is easily the ideal starter against this deck.
r0naLd222 said:
Yes. Full metal (with the necessary exception of 1 Keldeo EX) is the best version of this deck.
Same. Keldeo EX used to be nice, but its time has passed (in PlasmaKlang at least.) Just use Pull out Durant and time your switches wisely.
I played Pull Out, people laughed at it, I took it out, and look at the successful people now, running them Durants.
I suppose it really depends on your exact build. I kind of like Keldeo with Skyarrow Bridge/Float Stone in here, but it's all just preference.
I actually think Keldeo+float stone could work well in here over switch, since it's infinitely reusable.
While we're on the subject of PF, what do you guys think of Frozen City in here? You can get around it by attaching to PKK and then moving the energy where you want it with Shift Gear Klang, and it puts some extra pressure on your opponent's Moltres/Victini/Reshiram/etc.
While we're on the subject of PF, what do you guys think of Frozen City in here? You can get around it by attaching to PKK and then moving the energy where you want it with Shift Gear Klang, and it puts some extra pressure on your opponent's Moltres/Victini/Reshiram/etc.
Keldeo + Float Stone would be interesting, but I think most players will be prepared for it because Garbodor is still popular. Thus, Tool Scrapper might slip its way into a few lists. I'd rather play two HTL instead and take advantage of my opponent's Virbank.
Frozen City...it's just eh. It'll hurt your Cobalion, and I think you have enough protection that you don't need to worry about getting two extra damage counters. Plus, Cobalion-EX 2HKOs everything anyway, so I think it's an unnecessary precaution. Play more Supporters or something else.
Frozen City...it's just eh. It'll hurt your Cobalion, and I think you have enough protection that you don't need to worry about getting two extra damage counters. Plus, Cobalion-EX 2HKOs everything anyway, so I think it's an unnecessary precaution. Play more Supporters or something else.