PT-On. It would be weird if only half of the Platinum series is rotated. Having said that, I will not be surprised either if it is RR-On, SV-On etc for next season.
LORDY JONES said:oh god, SF-on would be awesome. both of my decks would still be legal for the most part (sablock and cursegar).
Pokeman said:I hope it is not RR and on for one thats make SP stupid, no Poke Turns or Energy Gains, and that would be so unright. My bet is on PT up.
Pokeman said:If they did that then Machamp would be really broken, and kinda Gengar with Unown G going out. I hope it is Pt- up, I don't want those decks to be extremely broken even though it would prevent SP decks.
minimidget94 said:I am happy that some old rogues are going to do well, like salamence for instance will become good. I am disappointed that some old favorites will be gone though.. I agree with pt on
SplitHeavens said:PT on is wayyyy more unbalanced that SF on or RR on. Pokeman, why do you argue about SPs, being broken as they already are, to be even more broken?
SPs will actually be balanced if Platinum was out.
that is true, I hadnt thought of that. But other rogues that nobody would ever consider because of their slowness can now maybe be considered.qnetykz said:how do you figure that Salamence will become good??? Chomp C deficates all over it, and will be surviving the rotation
StealthAngel667 said:Most biased post in the whole topic GET. Removing Platinum means that SPs become absolutely unplayable. The main advantage that they have over normal decks is their versatility based on Cyrus and the TGIs. What you're saying is like you're removing Rare Candy and BTS for stage 2 decks. Running an SP deck without TGIs will just be plain inconsistent and unreliable. If you like your format like that, please go back to a card game that's more suited for donk and other no-brainer decks.
Anyway, not looking at this rotation, I would think it's clear that the next rotation will probably contain at least all of the SP format, so PT-AR. Then, after HGSS finishes, they can bring new concepts in again. That's how it usually goes. Ergo the next format will be at least PT-On, but maybe more like SF-On.
StealthAngel667 said:I've played plenty of formats before, all without Broken Time Space. Back then, it was OK to take a bit more time Evolving. Not anymore.
The reason SP decks work is not their attack power, their HP, their Poke Powers or anything else. It's the versatility that's granted to them by something called the SP Toolbox, consisting of all the Pokemon, the TGIs, and Cyrus.
I haven't seen an actual SP Toolbox deck since it was just DP-RR...you don't see those anymore, so there is no real versatility in the SP decks being played today
You conveniently forgot to mention Cyrus. Cyrus is what makes all combo cards in the SP engine searchable and is absolutely necessary. Poketurn and Power Spray are on their own less important, they merely make up for the fact that SPs do not possess huge durability or huge attack power (Poketurn a Bat). They even the field. Their HPs are quite low and being all basics and Xes gives them certain disadvantages, like little to no first turn action.
"little to no first turn action"??? I've seen plenty of first turn action out of many an SP deck, I've seen many an SP deck have more than just some first turn action, I've seen them donking...you can't tell me SP's don't have any first turn action, you can't even tell me that it's minimal.....the Cyrus engine doesn't even the field, it tips the scales in favor of SPs, considerably
Not only that, removing Cyrus and Poketurn also removes the biggest baddest card in the format that is Luxray GL X. I won't say his Power is broken, because it's possible to play around it. The best thing about him is that he fits in every deck that is only slightly aimed towards disruption. Without cards like him, bulky decks like Blissey MT, Gardevoir/Gallade and Magmortar would still be dominating. That was the worst and most boring format ever. I setup first, I win. The element of disruption is one the coolest things about SP Pokemon and you plan to take it out of the format? Ridiculous. RR-On will be a ridiculous format, dominated solely and completely by Jumpluff, since he is one of the best stage 2 options. The only thing keeping Pluff at bay is LuxChomp. We NEED SPs to make the format less boring. We need elements of surprise in the TCG. SPs (especially Crobat G and Power Spray) are the guys who gave us just that.
Also, SP decks are NOT easy to play at all. That's because the average SP deck has a way more complicated line-up, whereas regular Jumpluff/Flygon/many other stage 2 decks have:
1) Jumpluff/Flygon
2) Claydol
3) Uxie
4) Azelf
(5) Nidoqueen/Luxray)
Mainly, they focus around one or two attackers combined with a few supporters. SPs don't have a single Poke that is in any way superior at attacking or supporting, but they can all attack a bit and the Toolbox is their main support line. That's what makes every game fun and unpredictable.