alexmf2 said:If that were so then the deck would never have gotten very far in the first place. You use Kyurem when you have 3-5 energy on the field, Shaymin 3 onto Kyurem and start using Glaciate. You can KO their Tornadus with Outrage + PP if they attack you with that, and if they happen to get another one up and KO Kyurem you can just play another one and finish off the Celebis. If anything it gets better in the new format as there are more small hp bench sitters.
Virizion is also definitely still a keeper. It also gets only better, as with Sky Arrow it can now retreat for free. It's also nice as it can survive against early game pressure because of it's high hp, and like Kyurem it takes advantage of low hp basics.
They'll usually KO your Kyurem with Mewtwo EX, though.