Passimian did? I can't find the results for it.
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Passimian did? I can't find the results for it.
Quite the greninja discussion but really I have to say the deck is one of those "if it sets up it's great" decks. I've played against and with greninja and have never lost against. Not saying I've played the top greninja players in the world or anything I just know that In a deck that runs that many evolutions it's very easy to lose just because of a bad first hand. Any deck that has that issue should be considered tier 2 due to its inherent inconsistencies. However it's completely possible that that greninja could win u.s internationals here in a couple days. But it's defiantly gonna take some luck and a good pilot
Was going to post something similar to this, but yeah. The deck can have some amazing starts or it can just conk out, either due to a dead opening draw or having a few too many of the evolution line cards prized.
The deck is basically either one of the best, or Z tier depending on how you draw. Most decks aren't that dependant on their first turn being good in comparison.
I have honestly always thought the deck didn't tech in enough control elements like Red Card, Judge, etc. I haven't played it that way, but I also readily admit that I am not a great Greninja player either. I play it adequately well. Also, the mirror match feels like watching grass grow. It SUCKS.
Have been doing a little research, here are the top 8s from every Regionals I know of since the Metapocalypse of Garb entering the format. Would love to have the blanks filled in if anyone knows of the missing decks.
Interesting the see the local differences, like the continuing popularity of Decidueye in Straya, or their fascination with Alolan Ninetales. Both are near missing entirely from the US match-ups. Darkrai still doing well enough for itself in the UK just not as turbo as before.
Interesting the see the local differences, like the continuing popularity of Decidueye in Straya, or their fascination with Alolan Ninetales. Both are near missing entirely from the US match-ups. Darkrai still doing well enough for itself in the UK just not as turbo as before.
Tier 2. It's got some top 8's in June. Curitiba Regional i believe?
Darkrai is not tier 1. I am 30-40 with it and it gets thrashed pretty hard by a lot of things like Metagross, Drampa with Berserk, Vika/Bulu, etc, etc. With Choice Band out to hit numbers against Darkrai and Field Blowers, it is NOT tier 1. It just isn't.
Vika/Bulu is tier 3 imo as well. Too clunky and not consistent enough from my testing.
Vika/Bulu is tier 3 imo as well. Too clunky and not consistent enough from my testing.
The flaw in this logic is that Vika/Bulu and Darkrai are still performing. YOUR numbers may not match, but the proof is in the pudding, both decks have multiple top cuts beyond top 16 in a post-Garb format. You could make the argument that Darkrai is on a bubble right now, but with where the format is going, it will still be a T1 deck.
Took the words straight out of my brain.
You're right. I'm a shit player and probably should quit. Going to be putting my stuff up on Ebay sometime soon anyways. Don't have anyone that teaches how to get better or learn how to play these decks but whatever.
Lol, I mean I guess. My point is, TESTING isn't the same thing as tournament play. If this list was based off testing and no tournament play, it would be very different. It's nothing against you the player, it's just fact that testing doesn't always match the results at a tournament. Look at GarTaria for example. Everyone said it was going to be Tier 0 when it came out in dragons exalted, because it tested well in Japan, but when it was released, it flopped, HARD. There's a big difference between tournament results that we can see, and someone saying the deck doesn't work.
You can say what you want but I play the EXACT Darkrai deck and I play a great hand and lose out in the end, NOT BECAUSE OF ME, but because the opponent can take out my Darkrais with Choice Bands, etc. By the time you get enough energies on board, it's over for your Darkrais. Sorry but even though my testing isn't same as tournament, it's a known fact that Darkrai suffers greatly in this format.
Last game I played, my hand was: 2 Altar, Darkrai, Yveltal, Choice Band, 2 Dark energies. Drew no draw support till it was too late. But yeah, i'm totally supposed to win with hands like that. These hands happen a lot with the deck and that's why i'm 30-40 with it.
Last game I played, my hand was: 2 Altar, Darkrai, Yveltal, Choice Band, 2 Dark energies. Drew no draw support till it was too late. But yeah, i'm totally supposed to win with hands like that. These hands happen a lot with the deck and that's why i'm 30-40 with it.
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Bad hands happen, every deck has them. It may be your luck, the way you shuffle, a multitude of factors, but that didn't stop Darkrai form reaching multiple top 8's and a top four in June. Once you go into situations, you're doing theorymon, which honestly, doesn't mean anything. All that matters is how the deck preforms in tournaments. I could say I'm 80-0 with the deck and I open jacked every time, but unless i go to a tournament and win to back up my claims, they are just that, claims. Again, it's no disrespect to you, but it's not hard to understand, hear-say is meaningless, proof is everything.
It's still a good deck but I don't think it's tier 1 good. You have that at tier 1 but not Volcanion? Volcanion has seen about the same success recently and is pretty consistent. Although I'm biased because I pretty much mastered that deck (only one I know how to really play), it's definitely tier 1, especially the Brooklet Hill variant. Ryan Sablehaus nearly went unbeaten in swiss rounds with it I think. He was like 7-0 at one point with it. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
Actually, that's something we both agree on, I believe that Volca SHOULD be in Tier 1. It's parallel to Turbo Dark in success.
And just to be clear, my replies have nothing to do with the decks, it's the thought that testing will have the same impact on a Tier list as Tournament results, which isn't true.
You're correct, At this point volcanion is Tier 1 was waiting till monday morning for any changes on list and updating tiers.
He'll prob update that on Monday.