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Because Wobbuffet pretty much gets you a cheap KO. Your opponent's Pokemon can't switch out because of Shadow Tag, Wobbuffet's Ability, and then you can use Counter or Mirror Coat to bounce the damage back, but twice as strong, usually resulting in a KO.
Because Wobbuffet pretty much gets you a cheap KO. Your opponent's Pokemon can't switch out because of Shadow Tag, Wobbuffet's Ability, and then you can use Counter or Mirror Coat to bounce the damage back, but twice as strong, usually resulting in a KO.
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Even though everyone gave the obvious answer I'll go ahead and contribute.
Shadow Tag traps anything that tries to attack him. With the move set Encore, Mirror Coat, Counter, and Safeguard, Wobb will always score a KO in any battle. Mirror Coat reflects special attacks back, Counter will reflect physical attacks directed at you. That's why Wobbuffet is uber.
Blissey can't take next to any physical moves against her but she can take special hits.
Even though everyone gave the obvious answer I'll go ahead and contribute.
Shadow Tag traps anything that tries to attack him. With the move set Encore, Mirror Coat, Counter, and Safeguard, Wobb will always score a KO in any battle. Mirror Coat reflects special attacks back, Counter will reflect physical attacks directed at you. That's why Wobbuffet is uber.
Blissey can't take next to any physical moves against her but she can take special hits.
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I'm not a part of this clan myself but... well, I skimmed a couple of pages and I'm wondering why shadoworganoid is a member. No offense dude, but you don't seem to know even the basics of the competitive mindset.
While I'm posting here, I might as well offer my thoughts on Wobbuffet. On its own, I do not believe Wobby is broken for its ability to trap and then Mirror Coat or Counter, because that way it is only really taking out one Pokemon unless it gets Wish support or something. While Wobbuffet has that titanic HP, it can only take so many hits factoring in Stealth Rock, Spikes, Sandstorm, and other forms of passive damage it accumulates each time it switches in (and on that note, it has no form of recovery).
The reason why Wobuffet is uber tier is not down to the fact that it's an offensive/defensive power house like Garchomp, Lugia, or Kyogre, but because of its ability to make other Pokemon broken through amazing support. All it takes is for Wobby to come in on a relatively offenseless Pokemon (Blissey, Forretress, etc), use Encore, and then switch to a sweeper. That sweeper is now guaranteed one turn of setup, which is game breaking for things like Lucario. Wobbuffet's status is given because it's so amazing at supporting, making it pretty much unique in the Uber tier.
I'm not a part of this clan myself but... well, I skimmed a couple of pages and I'm wondering why shadoworganoid is a member. No offense dude, but you don't seem to know even the basics of the competitive mindset.
While I'm posting here, I might as well offer my thoughts on Wobbuffet. On its own, I do not believe Wobby is broken for its ability to trap and then Mirror Coat or Counter, because that way it is only really taking out one Pokemon unless it gets Wish support or something. While Wobbuffet has that titanic HP, it can only take so many hits factoring in Stealth Rock, Spikes, Sandstorm, and other forms of passive damage it accumulates each time it switches in (and on that note, it has no form of recovery).
The reason why Wobuffet is uber tier is not down to the fact that it's an offensive/defensive power house like Garchomp, Lugia, or Kyogre, but because of its ability to make other Pokemon broken through amazing support. All it takes is for Wobby to come in on a relatively offenseless Pokemon (Blissey, Forretress, etc), use Encore, and then switch to a sweeper. That sweeper is now guaranteed one turn of setup, which is game breaking for things like Lucario. Wobbuffet's status is given because it's so amazing at supporting, making it pretty much unique in the Uber tier.
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New rule I am proposing: This is a competitive clan. If you don't understand it, this isn't the place for you. Read and lurk to understand it if you don't.
New rule I am proposing: This is a competitive clan. If you don't understand it, this isn't the place for you. Read and lurk to understand it if you don't.
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Hey, excuse me bacon, But unlike you and the others here, I havent been competetively battling until I joined this site.
Most of you have been to large tournys and other events and spent lots of time playing.
Besides, me being here is to help improve my skills. Or should I say; Let me aquire skills.
But if you guys cant stand my "lack of skill" I will leave if you ask me to.
Besides, its not like I dont ever win a game.
Hey, excuse me bacon, But unlike you and the others here, I havent been competetively battling until I joined this site.
Most of you have been to large tournys and other events and spent lots of time playing.
Besides, me being here is to help improve my skills. Or should I say; Let me aquire skills.
But if you guys cant stand my "lack of skill" I will leave if you ask me to.
Besides, its not like I dont ever win a game.
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He never questioned the amount of knowledge that you have inquired. Simply put, he wants you to learn more of the metagame before you go and start trying to persuade everyone that your opinions are right.
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He never questioned the amount of knowledge that you have inquired. Simply put, he wants you to learn more of the metagame before you go and start trying to persuade everyone that your opinions are right.
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Meh, I reckon the old joining system was better. People such as shadoworganoid who aren't yet well versed in battle should be allowed to hang around to learn, and then when they can show they have progressed, we give them a proper ranking.
Maybe instead of cadets then troops, Cadets, Privates (which would be what cadets is now) then Captains (what troops is now. Cadets would be like sub members who are leaning.
Anyways I want to propse a new topic. With HGSS, a number of pokemon have been given gravity, starmie for example. Do you think that now gravity will be more widely used in competetive play, seeing as it was rarely used before? Do you think gravity is an effective battling style? I'll post my answers if people want to discuss this.
Meh, I reckon the old joining system was better. People such as shadoworganoid who aren't yet well versed in battle should be allowed to hang around to learn, and then when they can show they have progressed, we give them a proper ranking.
Maybe instead of cadets then troops, Cadets, Privates (which would be what cadets is now) then Captains (what troops is now. Cadets would be like sub members who are leaning.
Anyways I want to propse a new topic. With HGSS, a number of pokemon have been given gravity, starmie for example. Do you think that now gravity will be more widely used in competetive play, seeing as it was rarely used before? Do you think gravity is an effective battling style? I'll post my answers if people want to discuss this.
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I see. He also suggested I shouldnt be here in this clan.
At any rate, I dont know how I can get more knoledgable with this battling stuff. I mean, all the good ideas have been thought of already and behond looking at stats, I cant tell if somthing is really good or not.
I suppose a good example of what I mean is; I dont find garchomp as "too strong" or "unfair".
I look at his stats and they are not too much different or better, then many other pokemon out there.
Pretty much any pokemon can be made overly good or cheap with a good combo. One of you mentioned Chomps sandstorm combo, well, see? NOW he's good. But only after the sandstorm. By himself he doesnt look all that over powered.
See waht i mean? You all must be looking at these things differently then I am. Im not sure how to improve or expand my knoledge here...
About the conversation, Im not suggesting Im right. Im just voicing an opinon i guess.
I see. He also suggested I shouldnt be here in this clan.
At any rate, I dont know how I can get more knoledgable with this battling stuff. I mean, all the good ideas have been thought of already and behond looking at stats, I cant tell if somthing is really good or not.
I suppose a good example of what I mean is; I dont find garchomp as "too strong" or "unfair".
I look at his stats and they are not too much different or better, then many other pokemon out there.
Pretty much any pokemon can be made overly good or cheap with a good combo. One of you mentioned Chomps sandstorm combo, well, see? NOW he's good. But only after the sandstorm. By himself he doesnt look all that over powered.
See waht i mean? You all must be looking at these things differently then I am. Im not sure how to improve or expand my knoledge here...
About the conversation, Im not suggesting Im right. Im just voicing an opinon i guess.
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I suggested you should read and lurk, not leave. The bottom line is that we play competitive. If you are just voicing your opinion like you said, do it somewhere else because the tiers and clauses are there to make the game better for skilled players.
I suggested you should read and lurk, not leave. The bottom line is that we play competitive. If you are just voicing your opinion like you said, do it somewhere else because the tiers and clauses are there to make the game better for skilled players.
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Dont think for a second that I dont want to get really good like you guys. Frankly, I dont "suck" at battling. Im not good, but I dont suck. Also, my opinions arent "just to talk", I do say things based on some sort of logic.
Most of what goes on for clan discution IS opinions.
Take what Fridge proposed for a new topic;
My appropriate responce is:
No I dont think Gravity will become too popular because many pokemon that avoid ground moves, are weak to Ice or Lightning and most all teams have some ice or electric attacks. Gravity also disables the move fly if im not mistaken. That move seems to be uncommon. I myself have never seen it used in competetive play. The only way Gravity will become popular is if that player is also running Spikes.
See? I may not be too knoledgable, but my responce can still be "constructive" and fair.
Kevin Garrett said:
Dont think for a second that I dont want to get really good like you guys. Frankly, I dont "suck" at battling. Im not good, but I dont suck. Also, my opinions arent "just to talk", I do say things based on some sort of logic.
Most of what goes on for clan discution IS opinions.
Take what Fridge proposed for a new topic;
My appropriate responce is:
No I dont think Gravity will become too popular because many pokemon that avoid ground moves, are weak to Ice or Lightning and most all teams have some ice or electric attacks. Gravity also disables the move fly if im not mistaken. That move seems to be uncommon. I myself have never seen it used in competetive play. The only way Gravity will become popular is if that player is also running Spikes.
See? I may not be too knoledgable, but my responce can still be "constructive" and fair.
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You have almost completely missed the point of gravity. What about the accuracy boost? Moves like blizzard, thunder, hydro pump, and grasswhistly can be used without worry (all bar the last one, but the accuracy boost is huge). Think of a pokemon like zapdos, which only takes normal damage from electric type moves. If I bring in my dugtrio, I can trap it and OHKO with a super effective earthquake. And it doesnt stop there, now I can hit pokemon like rotom with EQ.
To utilize gravity fully you have to take full advantage of the accuracy boost, being able to inflict spikes and tspikes on flying pokemon, using earthquake on flyers/levitators, and use dugrtio (which is hellbeast in gravity).
You have almost completely missed the point of gravity. What about the accuracy boost? Moves like blizzard, thunder, hydro pump, and grasswhistly can be used without worry (all bar the last one, but the accuracy boost is huge). Think of a pokemon like zapdos, which only takes normal damage from electric type moves. If I bring in my dugtrio, I can trap it and OHKO with a super effective earthquake. And it doesnt stop there, now I can hit pokemon like rotom with EQ.
To utilize gravity fully you have to take full advantage of the accuracy boost, being able to inflict spikes and tspikes on flying pokemon, using earthquake on flyers/levitators, and use dugrtio (which is hellbeast in gravity).
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I DID mention spikes. Thats is a good plus. I also thought about pokemon such as metagross which dont have moves like Ice beam or Thunder bolt. It can help there alloying EQ to work now.
FYI: I was not aware of the Accuracy part. The description of the move only says: "Disables fly and levitate for 5 turns."
So if that is the case, then sure, it sounds like using it would be a good idea.
I DID mention spikes. Thats is a good plus. I also thought about pokemon such as metagross which dont have moves like Ice beam or Thunder bolt. It can help there alloying EQ to work now.
FYI: I was not aware of the Accuracy part. The description of the move only says: "Disables fly and levitate for 5 turns."
So if that is the case, then sure, it sounds like using it would be a good idea.
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Hey, chill out there fella. No need to go berserk or anything. What bacon was simply pointing out is that, since you are in the stage where your gaming skills need to be honed, why not ask rather than suggest and prove your point to be right?
When compared to guys like Kevin, Plato and the rest, some may feel intimidated. But just chill out and ask all the questions you want. If it's anything, asking can get you the answers, instead of trying to prove your point right, and getting the answers the hard way.
Most of us didn't go into gaming in-depth when we first joined. In fact, I myself started gaming after joining a year and a half. Then I had plenty of help from the veterans - Arcy274, ShadowX, 'Zilla, and bacon, whom at the start, helped me recognize the metagame, and thought me how to continue improving. That is what you need.
Instead of claiming some statements to be true in the current topic, why not simply ask? For example, if you're unsure of the current topic (which is Gravity, by the way), why not ask - "how does Gravity work?", "what Pokemon can be used well with Gravity", etc.
Don't feel left out, however. Just continue honing your skills, widen your knowledge on the metagame, have continuous battles to get experience, and you'll improve soon enough.
Back to business though, just as a reference:-
Just as a small reply to shadoworganoid. Gravity nullifies any advantages a Flying-type or a Pokemon with Levitate have, including being vulnerable to Spikes and such. Don't be mistaken, however, as a Flying-type will still have its Flying-type. For example, if I were to use Focus Punch on a Gravity'ed Zapdos, Zapdos still resists Fighting moves.
Anyway, Gravity is an excellent move, provided you have the right stuff for it. The way you set-up Gravity, is also very important. You don't start your first turn with Gravity if you're not sure or confident of sweeping the next 3-4 turns.
The Pokemon whom can learn Gravity aren't too bad either -Dusknoir, Blissey and Jirachi, are excellent Pokemon, having the necessary bulk to successfully pull off Gravity. Again, the accuracy boost is a major boost to most teams, having Focus Blast turn into a semi-Aura Sphere, Hypnosis hitting almost at will, Aqua Tail gets more accurate, etc.
Taunt still brings Gravity back down to earth, however. And the worst thing is, msot Taunt-ers are faster than the one setting Gravity up - Azelf, Aerodactyl, certain Weavile (whom choose to run SD, Taunt + 2 Attacks, although rare), a +1 TauntDos, etc.
shadoworganoid said:
Hey, chill out there fella. No need to go berserk or anything. What bacon was simply pointing out is that, since you are in the stage where your gaming skills need to be honed, why not ask rather than suggest and prove your point to be right?
When compared to guys like Kevin, Plato and the rest, some may feel intimidated. But just chill out and ask all the questions you want. If it's anything, asking can get you the answers, instead of trying to prove your point right, and getting the answers the hard way.
Most of us didn't go into gaming in-depth when we first joined. In fact, I myself started gaming after joining a year and a half. Then I had plenty of help from the veterans - Arcy274, ShadowX, 'Zilla, and bacon, whom at the start, helped me recognize the metagame, and thought me how to continue improving. That is what you need.
Instead of claiming some statements to be true in the current topic, why not simply ask? For example, if you're unsure of the current topic (which is Gravity, by the way), why not ask - "how does Gravity work?", "what Pokemon can be used well with Gravity", etc.
Don't feel left out, however. Just continue honing your skills, widen your knowledge on the metagame, have continuous battles to get experience, and you'll improve soon enough.
Back to business though, just as a reference:-
Smogon said:
Just as a small reply to shadoworganoid. Gravity nullifies any advantages a Flying-type or a Pokemon with Levitate have, including being vulnerable to Spikes and such. Don't be mistaken, however, as a Flying-type will still have its Flying-type. For example, if I were to use Focus Punch on a Gravity'ed Zapdos, Zapdos still resists Fighting moves.
Anyway, Gravity is an excellent move, provided you have the right stuff for it. The way you set-up Gravity, is also very important. You don't start your first turn with Gravity if you're not sure or confident of sweeping the next 3-4 turns.
The Pokemon whom can learn Gravity aren't too bad either -Dusknoir, Blissey and Jirachi, are excellent Pokemon, having the necessary bulk to successfully pull off Gravity. Again, the accuracy boost is a major boost to most teams, having Focus Blast turn into a semi-Aura Sphere, Hypnosis hitting almost at will, Aqua Tail gets more accurate, etc.
Taunt still brings Gravity back down to earth, however. And the worst thing is, msot Taunt-ers are faster than the one setting Gravity up - Azelf, Aerodactyl, certain Weavile (whom choose to run SD, Taunt + 2 Attacks, although rare), a +1 TauntDos, etc.
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thanks. Yeah, I was looking into metagross for a bit and found it will learn Gravity in HG/SS. That looks good right?
Is he a good candidate for that move?
thanks. Yeah, I was looking into metagross for a bit and found it will learn Gravity in HG/SS. That looks good right?
Is he a good candidate for that move?
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Yes, Gravity complements well with Metagross' durable typing and strength. Not only Meteor Mash's accuracy will get a boost, Metagross will also have a chance to fight its counters (Rotom, Zapdos) with Earthquake (not to mention Steel and Ground under gravity's effect is nearly unresisted). Back to the original topic,
Yes, Gravity complements well with Metagross' durable typing and strength. Not only Meteor Mash's accuracy will get a boost, Metagross will also have a chance to fight its counters (Rotom, Zapdos) with Earthquake (not to mention Steel and Ground under gravity's effect is nearly unresisted). Back to the original topic,
Garchomp doesn't necessarily have to setup in order to sweep. I can see where you're going at, but we can't go back to the state in which everybody had to build teams around Garchomp and Garchomp Support Counters. And I doubt Weavile, Bronzong and Mamoswine's inevitable raise of popularity will be innovative.Plato said:
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I'm support Belle here. Weavile and Mamoswine are dropping in numbers lately, eversince Garchomp went to Ubers. If it's anything, those numbers will skyrocket once again when Garchomp goes back into OU. Even then, Yache Berry Garchomp can take a STAB Ice Shard/Ice Punch, and shove back a STAB Outrage/Earthquake for the OHKO.
There is just too much that has to be done to not only make Garchomp the star-sweeper of the team, but to counter one as well. Sooner or later, we'll see all teams have Garchomp AND Mamoswine/Weavile in order for their team to use, and counter Garchomp - which nevertheless, brings a decrease in originality.
Unless someone made a random, gimmick moveset for any Pokemon to counter Garchomp, I don't see how it can go into OU, considering almost nothing can switch into a +2 Outrage.
Bellomence said:
I'm support Belle here. Weavile and Mamoswine are dropping in numbers lately, eversince Garchomp went to Ubers. If it's anything, those numbers will skyrocket once again when Garchomp goes back into OU. Even then, Yache Berry Garchomp can take a STAB Ice Shard/Ice Punch, and shove back a STAB Outrage/Earthquake for the OHKO.
There is just too much that has to be done to not only make Garchomp the star-sweeper of the team, but to counter one as well. Sooner or later, we'll see all teams have Garchomp AND Mamoswine/Weavile in order for their team to use, and counter Garchomp - which nevertheless, brings a decrease in originality.
Unless someone made a random, gimmick moveset for any Pokemon to counter Garchomp, I don't see how it can go into OU, considering almost nothing can switch into a +2 Outrage.
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1) Competitive Battling Interests.
~I'm a decent mind in the battling comunity.But not the best by far.
2) Post Your Team.
In the RMT Fourm
3) Battling Rules.
I know clauses and everything by rules
4) Conduct.
I won't spam or Flame anywhere in this Clan.
I hope you can test me on Shoddy soon!~PDC
1) Competitive Battling Interests.
~I'm a decent mind in the battling comunity.But not the best by far.
2) Post Your Team.
In the RMT Fourm
3) Battling Rules.
I know clauses and everything by rules
4) Conduct.
I won't spam or Flame anywhere in this Clan.
I hope you can test me on Shoddy soon!~PDC
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