XY The Regional Pokedex -- What we know is in it so far

[Chocolate Death]

If you zoom in on the picture of the pokedex on the x and y website, you can see a zigzagoon, two slots before a fletchling

this was already mentioned by me and about 2 other people in this and another thread

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Someone mentioned that these pokemon may have just been the ones to have their models completed. Unlikely, for us, the fan community, it is early, but for GF they didn't just come up with this idea when BW2 were launched. They had to have been brewing this early on, maybe even while BW2 development was happening.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they started development straight after gen IV and at the same time as gen V! That's a long time, the models would have been finished ages ago
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i'm pretty sure i heard somewhere that BW was indev when Platinum came out, and B2W2 was while BW was indev. If XY started during then, that would make a bit of sense. I mean, the only changes they would need to make with the major things (models, music, scripts) are probably some textures for the models, adding a little extra spice to the music, and fix some scripts so it is better to the players?

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Time to blow your minds:

There's no guarantee the Pokemon shown in the videos are in the Kalos regional dex (excluding Kalos natives obv). It could just be random Pokemon.

Discuss.

We know.

But I doubt the Pokemon shown off are coincidental, like Mitja said, those are pretty arbitrary choices if none of these are in. Also, some of the Pokemon shown off seem like good fits for the region.

 

[Blob55]

UGH, anyone else annoyed by the number of 5th gen mon in this game? 5th gen lasted long enough and if I have to encounter ANOTHER wild Patrat, I'll throw my 3DS into a wall.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

UGH, anyone else annoyed by the number of 5th gen mon in this game? 5th gen lasted long enough and if I have to encounter ANOTHER wild Patrat, I'll throw my 3DS into a wall.

I don't mind seeing a lot of 5th gen Pokemon because I really like a lot of them, but seeing all of the 5th gen Com Mons again would indeed be very grating.

 

[Blob55]

UGH, anyone else annoyed by the number of 5th gen mon in this game? 5th gen lasted long enough and if I have to encounter ANOTHER wild Patrat, I'll throw my 3DS into a wall.

I don't mind seeing a lot of 5th gen Pokemon because I really like a lot of them, but seeing all of the 5th gen Com Mons again would indeed be very grating.

I don't hate the 5th gen mon, but come on! Some Pokémon haven't been properly available since Platinum.
Another thing that bugs me, is most of the 5th gen Pokémon listed don't even NEED to be in XY, as you can get them in all 5th gen games easily and the only ones IMO that should be in XY are the version exclusives and Zoroa line. Plus a few that get new evos/prevos.

 

[KiKi]

I'd also like to see some of the older Pokemon be more prominent in Gen VI.
Gen V had four games to showcase all of the new Pokemon.
Gen lll, IMO, needs to be showcased a little bit more.

 

[TheFirePenguin]

Sewaddle and Venipede are not "early bugs" by any means. That's like saying Volbeat/Illumise are early bugs. Their role differ in that they are not available in the first few routes, but in the forest located after the town with the 2nd gym, and their final evolutions have actually good stats (instead of being recycled Caterpie/Ledyba data). So no, gen V had no early bug.

There is 2 kinds of early bugs:
A. proper metamorphosis (Caterpie)
B. 2 stages (Ledyba)

Gen I:
A-Caterpie/Weedle
Gen II:
B-Ledyba/Spinarak
Gen III:
A-Wurmple
Gen IV:
B-Kricketot
Gen V:
none

so no consistency there.
Apart from probably having an early bug next again, there is no telling whether it'll be Caterpie or Ledyba-like.

Lets look at birds. Similarly, here too there are 3-staged and 2-staged ones who are recycled for new ones
Gen I:
A-Pidgey
B-Spearow
Gen II:
B-Hoothoot
Gen III:
B-Taillow/Wingull
Gen IV:
A-Starly
Gen V:
A-Pidove

Here at least there has been some every gen, but changing with no pattern whether its a Pidgey or Spearow clone (altho Id bet on a Spearow clone next, accompanied by Pidove like Pidgey was in Johto)

Which brings us to the Normal fellas, which unlike the previous 2 examples have been astonishingly consistent, altho Id count the "mean fellas" into this category too (since its either a Dark poke with very similar data, or the Normal one itself has many Dark moves)
Gen I:
B-Rattata
Gen II:
B-Sentret
Gen III:
B-Linoone/Poochyena
Gen IV:
B-Bidoof
Gen V:
B-Patrat/Purrloin
A-Lillipup

When I look at this, its the most boring and unchanging of them. Sure sometimes theres the dark one (3,5), and with gen V they even introduced the "Pidgey equivalent" (A) for this group with Lillipup...
Isn't it overdue for them to do something fresh in this group now? Especially now, when gen V was the busiest in this category (having both a regular and a dark 2-stage AND a 3-stage on top of that).
I could see them adding either JUST a Dark one, or another 3-stage one (or a Dark 3-stage one, that would be interesting!!), anything but a sixth Normal 2-stage, those need a break.

And seeing Patrat in the trailer just adds to the odds since it can easily play this role in XY, leaving more room for new pokemon in other areas (especially if its gonna be a smaller gen like GS and DP)

Sewaddle and Venipede technically count as the "early bug(s)." Why? Because the early bugs are found in the first forest for their region. They aren't encountered right on the first patch of grass in the first route. Sewaddle and Venipede appear late into the early parts of the game, only because the first forest of Unova (which the two are found in) appears only after the second town. So yes, there are early bugs in Unova. Just not as early as the other bugs in other regions.

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@Mitja, how come you didn't count any of the Pokemon on your list from the Mewtwo trailer?

Oh, you're right, I didn't.

I thought Mewtwo gaining a forme is kind of an event/post-game thing so I automatically excluded it from all the official XY footage, since everything else is supposed to be showing off the main game.

But let me take another look.
-genesect (thats obviously there due to movie)
-rampardos
-cloyster
-gyarados
-machamp
-zangoose

apart from some of them seeming to be super-effective cases, they are very random choices, but it could be that they are limited to kalos obtainable.

Also, I ignored Sylveons too for some reason now that I think about it..
It has:
-Hariyama
-Gligar
-Krookodile

The Pokemon that appeared in the special trailers don't necessarily count. Much like the first trailer for X and Y, old Pokemon are there in order to keep the new Pokemon a secret (at least for now). I mean Genesect? That has absolutely no chance of being in any non-Unova regional dex for obvious reasons. Although a few of the Pokemon found in the trailers could be found in previous Regionaldex's, they may have been there just for show.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Sewaddle and Venipede are not "early bugs" by any means. That's like saying Volbeat/Illumise are early bugs. Their role differ in that they are not available in the first few routes, but in the forest located after the town with the 2nd gym, and their final evolutions have actually good stats (instead of being recycled Caterpie/Ledyba data). So no, gen V had no early bug.

Sewaddle and Venipede were available on the second route in BW2. I'd say that's close enough.

 

[NoDice]

Sewaddle and Venipede are not "early bugs" by any means. That's like saying Volbeat/Illumise are early bugs. Their role differ in that they are not available in the first few routes, but in the forest located after the town with the 2nd gym, and their final evolutions have actually good stats (instead of being recycled Caterpie/Ledyba data). So no, gen V had no early bug.

Sewaddle and Venipede were available on the second route in BW2. I'd say that's close enough.

I usually consider early game "Beginning through badge 3", so Id say that the bugs were early enough.

 

[Mitja]

Sure, but they would be something like a stronger 3-stage C-category though, much like Lillipup is an early Normal pokemon but clearly considered different to the Rattata-clones (not just due to stage but proper stats)
Actually, then Slakoth (3-stage normal found in the forest before the first gym) is an early Normal too (where all the Ratatta-clones are), right?

Gen I:
B-Rattata
Gen II:
B-Sentret
Gen III:
B-Linoone/Poochyena
A-Slakoth
Gen IV:
B-Bidoof
Gen V:
B-Patrat/Purrloin
A-Lillipup

But the point then stands even more. That new pokemon for the subcategories are inconsistent and they come and go, with the "rule" merely being that at least something new is added for each category as a whole.
Hence there might not be a 6th Rattata-clone, since another Slakoth, Lillipup-clone, or a third Dark Poochyena/Purrloin-clone would suffice to satisfy this logic.

 

[DorianBlack]

What? The other early mammalian Pokémon don't have a pattern, and none of us were ever arguing that they did. But the "rodents" clearly do: there is always a new two-stage Normal-type family available on the first route. Ratatta, Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat. Is it guaranteed for Kalos? No, because nothing's guaranteed. But it's one of the most consistent patterns in the history of the games, and again, as much as I would like to see them shake things up, the smart bet is to expect another new "rodent" Pokémon in the Kalos Dex.

(Also enjoying the delayed vindication on Sewaddle and Venipede. They're clearly in the exact same mold as Caterpie and Weedle.)

 

[Mitja]

Its all about context and how you define that "mold"

If Caterpie/Weedle and Wurmple are the same mold as Ledyba/Spinarak/Kricketot, then sure Venipede and Sewaddle are too.
But they still differ in many aspects that the Rattata-clones don't.

My point is that there are "clones" and "variation", which change or repeat every gen as gamefreak pelases. It happened to every category of the early roles, hence we can't ignore the possibility it might finally happen for the only still consistent one.

There might be a 6th gen Rattata, but there might not. Just as there might be a Dark one (like Poochyena/Purrloin), or a stronger one (Slakoth, Lillipup), along with it, or instead of it. Any of these can happen.
Zigzagoon and Patrat being in the Kalos dex tilt the chances against the Rattata-clone more than ever before. That's one of the reasons I am confident whatever we get in terms of early pokemon, it will be much more radical than the past ones.

Heck I'd love to see the combination of the secondary concepts, a Dark-type Lillipup-clone. Would be a bit fresh air eh?

 

[Blob55]

What? The other early mammalian Pokémon don't have a pattern, and none of us were ever arguing that they did. But the "rodents" clearly do: there is always a new two-stage Normal-type family available on the first route. Ratatta, Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat. Is it guaranteed for Kalos? No, because nothing's guaranteed. But it's one of the most consistent patterns in the history of the games, and again, as much as I would like to see them shake things up, the smart bet is to expect another new "rodent" Pokémon in the Kalos Dex.

(Also enjoying the delayed vindication on Sewaddle and Venipede. They're clearly in the exact same mold as Caterpie and Weedle.)

Sentret and Zigzagoon aren't based on a rodents, as the animals they're based on have their order in Carnivora, not Rodentia.

 

[DorianBlack]

What? The other early mammalian Pokémon don't have a pattern, and none of us were ever arguing that they did. But the "rodents" clearly do: there is always a new two-stage Normal-type family available on the first route. Ratatta, Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat. Is it guaranteed for Kalos? No, because nothing's guaranteed. But it's one of the most consistent patterns in the history of the games, and again, as much as I would like to see them shake things up, the smart bet is to expect another new "rodent" Pokémon in the Kalos Dex.

(Also enjoying the delayed vindication on Sewaddle and Venipede. They're clearly in the exact same mold as Caterpie and Weedle.)

Sentret and Zigzagoon aren't based on a rodents, as the animals they're based on have their order in Carnivora, not Rodentia.

Hence the quotation marks around the word "rodents". I'm pretty sure most of us do in fact know they're not all actual rodents, but that seems to be the most common name for this kind of Pokémon, so it's the one I chose to use.

Heck I'd love to see the combination of the secondary concepts, a Dark-type Lillipup-clone. Would be a bit fresh air eh?

I've already said I'd love some variation, but Game Freak has proven itself to be predictable more often than not, so I have to put my proverbial money on a new "rodent". That way I get to be pleasantly surprised if they do change rather than disappointed when they don't.

(And frankly, I'd rather see a common early Fire- or Ice- or Ghost-type instead. Dark's been done a couple times already.)

 

[Blob55]

Anyone else upset that Patrat and Zigzagoon are going to be in the Karlos dex? Both of the animals they're based on, are new-world (American) Animals.

 

[Mitja]

where an animal they are based from lives in the real world has never had much to do with where they appear in the pokemon world.

A quick look at the last bunch of legends: japanese weather demons and musketeers in Unova lololol

 

[Pokequaza]

Anyone else upset that Patrat and Zigzagoon are going to be in the Karlos dex? Both of the animals they're based on, are new-world (American) Animals.

Anyone sure this is not just trolling?

Chipmunks are found in Asia as well. Zigzagoon is more likely based on a raccoon dog, but Linoone might be based of a badger as well. Pokémon =/= real life, neither does it contain logic, so stop looking for it. I am pretty sure monstrous, red, bird-like creatures are not native France either.

 

[Blob55]

Anyone else upset that Patrat and Zigzagoon are going to be in the Karlos dex? Both of the animals they're based on, are new-world (American) Animals.

Anyone sure this is not just trolling?

Chipmunks are found in Asia as well. Zigzagoon is more likely based on a raccoon dog, but Linoone might be based of a badger as well. Pokémon =/= real life, neither does it contain logic, so stop looking for it. I am pretty sure monstrous, red, bird-like creatures are not native France either.

I always thought that Patrat was more based on a Groundhog more than a Chipmunk. Also, you don't find Raccoon dogs in France.
What monstrous bird-like creatures? If you mean Fletchling, it's based on a Robin.

 

[.Towelette]

I'm just putting this out there.. How do we know Pokemon that were just featured in the trailers are in the in-game?

 

[Matty]

I'm just putting this out there.. How do we know Pokemon that were just featured in the trailers are in the in-game?

We don't. Game footages are not final, that's why I don't discuss this kind of thing.