Finished The Resistance Game 1 - Spies Win

[Kecleon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Kelceon-X: Somewhat Resistance. He does seem very productive and logical in his thinking, but the way that he thinks that he himself is very Resistance like is a little scummy in my opinion. "I have been scumhunting, and have been helpful -- to my knowledge, at least." Doesn't that seem a little... out of place?

Quite the contrary. I was being modest -- I feel as though I have been helpful due to scumhunting, but I didn't want to seem... Pompous? I guess that's the right word. But yeah. I didn't know if you guys found me helpful at all, but I sure thought I was. Hence why I said that.

Porygon-X: Very Spy. With that recent "spy slip", and the point where I think he put Drohn, PMJ and Keeper on that second mission to try and frame them all, I'm pretty sure he's a Spy. He also really only been speaking when spoken to, which seems very Spy-like to me.

Disagree. I'm with my brother on this. But yeah, that's what my brother does in WW and in real life all the time. Not that irregular.

Right, not waiting anymore, can't be bothered to try and find so many scum.
YES
This game is going nowhere.

This is our last chance to find scum.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

It comes down to who you want to believe. There's little to no facts to compare.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

What? Those 2 sentences directly contradict each other. That could very easily be a spy slip (since spies know who the spies are, they sort of just choose at random which logic they're pretending to believe and not believe, but sometimes they accidentally go along with something that makes absolutely no sense).

...huh?

Are you talking about this?

Disagree. I'm pretty sure WW was signaling to his scumbuddies that he was throwing a fail

Here I was disagreeing with Kecleon's sentiments that WW was good, and explained why in the next sentence. How the heck is that a spy-slip lol?

Oh, I see what happened. I thought your responses to Kecleon's analysis were directly above there respective paragraphs, not under them. So when you said "Agree", I thought you agreed with Kecleon that WW was town. My mistake.

 

[TheGuy]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

I'm not as good at the whole "analysis" thing, however I will probe into the issues and offer who I believe to be a spy.

1) TheGuy - Not Spy
2) WanderingWolf - HIGH RISK of being a spy. Mainly because of the whole thing claiming that he's going to fail the mission. I don't think he can claim he was joking after how well it was received when I jokingly claimed spy.
3) Porygon-X- Based upon his posts I believe that he's a spy
4) Kecleon-X - I think he's scummy. But of all those I'm suspicious of I'm probably suspicious of him the least.
5) Machamp The Champion - Resistance
6) Keeper of Night - Post #240 when he says that we can't be bothered to find so many scum is the final straw for me believing him to be a spy. A resistance member would realize that we have to get this one and would want to find the scum rather than just going with the group proposed.
7) GM Draclord - Acting very much like I expect him to - Resistance
8) rev3rsor - Spy - points iterated by the above posters
9) PMJ - I just feel like he's resistance. The way he's acted I just can't imagine him being a spy. If he is I applaud his game.
(Max)10) Drohn (All Hail King Adrian)

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

6) Keeper of Night - Post #240 when he says that we can't be bothered to find so many scum is the final straw for me believing him to be a spy. A resistance member would realize that we have to get this one and would want to find the scum rather than just going with the group proposed.

This game has taken much longer than I thought it would, and every time somebody posts its just their opinions. You don't honestly think we can take them seriously, since any one of them could be bad?

I come in, I vote, I send in success. I would assume this game shouldn't be played much different. There should be less spies and/or more rounds if ever done again.

 

[Celever]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Uhhh... Well... This died! >_>

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Yeah, sorry about that. I will have time later today to put together some responses to my massive wall of text I just posted, but other than that, I can't do much.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

There should be less spies and/or more rounds if ever done again.

I agree. My favorite number of people for this game is 6 players 2 spies.

 

[Celever]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

There should be less spies and/or more rounds if ever done again.

I agree. My favorite number of people for this game is 6 players 2 spies.

Yeah I agree lol. The issue is that lots of people would be left out... I suppose the games would move faster though, and those who hadn't just played could get priority for the next game.

 

[Drohn]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

We reached 10 people quite fast and we probably could have gotten more. You can have a signup thread and based on the amount of signups have multiple games in separate threads. E.g. if 10-14 people sign up you create 2 games; if more than 14 we have 3 games, etc.

 

[Celever]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

We reached 10 people quite fast and we probably could have gotten more. You can have a signup thread and based on the amount of signups have multiple games in separate threads. E.g. if 10-14 people sign up you create 2 games; if more than 14 we have 3 games, etc.

Oh good. I wasn't sure what the policy was here about creating multiple threads of the same game seeing as it could be cluttering or spam in some places, and multiple games in one thread would be a complete cluster****, but it's good to know that I can do that once this is over.

Speaking of which, let's finish the current game before talking about the next one!

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

I think the game would go by faster if you just told us who the spies were. ;o

 

[Drohn]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Aren't we just waiting for the vote count/rest of the votes? Not much to discuss now.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Wibbley-Wobbley, Timey-Wimey... stuff

I don't have the patience to quote every single aspect of your post I'm going to refute, so I'll just start from the beginning and work my way down.

First, you claim that you are town because you are scumhunting, but have I not done the same thing? I've made several posts detailing who I think the spies are and why, so if you are using scumhunting as logic, shouldn't you think I was town? Or, at the very least, have some sort of other evidence besides "I'm town because I know I am, I swear"? That's just it. I used to think you were a Town for that exact reason, but I'm beginning to doubt that sentiment due to the oddities I have noticed -- and stated above -- about you.

Also you are right that no one has questioned me, and given the nature of this game you are completely correct in bringing it to light. In fact, not only have I gone on all the approved endeavors, I've been a member of every rejected party except Keeper's.

I didn't bring up the quotes you mentioned because I forgot about them. It didn't even cross my mind that I was supposed to, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. You completely contradicted yourself at that point. I even asked you about it after you rejected the mission, but was met with the post that I quoted. I have honestly been waiting for a justification for a while, seeking your process of thought in your posts, but unfortunately, I haven't noticed any. If you have made your case, please quote it.

You suggest Keeper might be being framed but still say he's high risk, so it's not like you think he's innocent either. I stated "Spy/Being Framed", if I recall, so it isn't like I believe he's a spy per-say, but I do think it would be risky to put him on the mission due to the fact that he's been a constant on all failed missions. Not unlike you.

I believe Porygon-X is town. The thing you are accusing me of doing to Keeper is precisely the thing I believe he's done to Porygon-X. What is especially damning is Keeper suggesting Porygon's party. Keeper knows who the spies are and, knowing that Porygon's mission will fail, is free to fail it and blame the new guy. All right, that makes sense. If Keeper is a Spy, that is.

Not gonna elaborate on rev3rsor because we both think he is scum.

I liked WW's post because it was so incredibly ballsy that I couldn't help but like it. It's a bold move to do as a spy and a richard move to do as town. You don't say that kind of stuff and expect people to trust you after that. You can't just say "lol jk" and then expect us to go "oh ok" and everything is fine. He is confirmed scum as far as I'm concerned, and if that costs us the game, well, don't make absurdly dumb plays like that next time. I think my brother hit the nail on the head in his post several ones after that, which basically read: "claim spy in real life and no one bats an eye, but claim spy here everyone loses their minds." Funny, but it remains true nevertheless. When my brother and I play with our group of friends, we claim Merlin, Assassin, Spy dozens of times a night. Whereas this may seem like a joke in reality, it is difficult to share sarcasm on the Internet, and I think WW is just a victim of circumstance.

I can get behind your Drohn logic, but Keeper has been acting too scummy for me to ignore him. He's left more than one hint for the scum in his posts, not to mention has not defended himself at all against my accusations, even as far as fifty posts ahead of my original post where I called him out. He could just not see your accusations as valid -- unfounded in fact -- and that is why he's ignoring them. Not that I do, but that's just a suggestion.

The only reason I think Drac is town right now is because of WW opening his mouth. I agree with what you said about him, though.

Machamp is le uber scumzorz.

And as for you, I'm getting a neutral-y town vibe. I don't think you'd be my second pick for a mission, but you'd fit in the "less scummy than blank" category. Maybe.

PMJ/Drohn/Keeper of Night: Kecleon calls us high risk, but I disagree. Never have I called you in particular high risk. In fact, I said that you should be put on this next mission if PMJ is a Spy. I think with that logic there would have been a fail on mission 1 and multiple fails on the second mission. I am still almost sure Porygon failed that mission. I do trust both PMJ and KoN and I have been saying that from the start, so you are also wrong in nobody defending KoN. Although I don't agree with everyone PMJ has on his spy-list, I do not think he is a spy himself and he has been helping in trying to find out who are. I really don't know why you think I am a high risk. I don't, as long as PMJ is a Spy. If he's not, and that is a possibility, given the nature of this game, it doesn't confirm you as anything. It's just that if PMJ is a spy, then you are most likely not one. I don't know how to defend myself, however, I can just give you my thoughts on everyone. I made posts with my theories and tried my best to find the spies, but I could be doing the same as a spy so I know that doesn't clear me from any suspicion you might have on me. My later posts have been jokes/unelaborated, because besides the thing I said about WW I have no other clues to go for. I did in detail explain my thoughts about WW and mentioned I really don't have a clue.

Note: In Kecleon's point about PMJ he said either I or PMJ was a spy, but in his point about MTC it's either PMJ or KoN. So who is it you suspect? And how many of us do you think are spies? I said "and/or" which means "either-or with a chance of both". Never did I say that both of them were spies in definite terms, only did I say that there was a chance that KoN was one, and PMJ could be one instead, and they could both be Spies. Simply put, the spy could be either one of them, but they could both be Spies as well.

WanderingWolf: I disagree with you thinking he made a joke. If we didn't get a fail that day I would have thought the same, but with 2 people failing the mission it means there were multiple spies on board and it is a pretty smart move to make for the spies. We don't know if there were more spies on board now or not. I assume there are, because he wouldn't make the self-sacrifice if there weren't. If he really is town he really ruined the game for us and that's just stupid. Making posts just to confuse/hurt your own team is a pretty low thing to do. I don't really think WW is doing that, but rather helped his spy team mates and is now putting in a last effort of saving himself from suspicion. My point to PMJ still stands. I believe he was being sarcastic.

Porygon: Spy. I don't know why you said I defended him. I already assumed he was a spy from the second mission onward. There was a time where I thought both Kecleon and Porygon were spies, but I only think Porygon is a spy now. I said "indirectly" in my notes, as you may not have noticed, which, as such, means that it could be interpreted to mean a way of making my word seem not as trustworthy, thus protecting Porygon from suspicion.

What do you mean with "Drohn would rather use our logic than his own, shown right after KoN's mission was downvoted."?

* Drohn hides his crown as it might be dangerous for the King to reveal himself publicly in such rebellious times.


Before I post, any suggestions + reasoning?

I was referencing this, and PMJ's post afterward. I coined mainly as joke, but still.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Are we waiting for some people to vote? Or just for Celever to post the update? I don't care what order people vote in anymore, if that wasn't a given already. We need this game to get moving again.

 

[PMJ]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

HEELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO???? Come on alreadyyyyyyyy

 

[Celever]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

There are only 4 votes for no...

In a game like this you can't modkill anyone as it completely messes up the numbers. I have one sub, so I'll see who the literal most inactive player is itg and will sub him. After that, there's really nothing more I can do until 2 more people vote no, or 4 more people vote yes.

 

[TheGuy]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

who hasn't voted yet?

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

There are only 4 votes for no...

In a game like this you can't modkill anyone as it completely messes up the numbers. I have one sub, so I'll see who the literal most inactive player is itg and will sub him. After that, there's really nothing more I can do until 2 more people vote no, or 4 more people vote yes.

Mod killing also reveals the other spies, to some extent. I've already voted, so has Drac and rev3rsor. As well as TheGuy, Keeper and PMJ I believe.

 

[Drohn]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628104#pid2628104 yes Machamp The Champion
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628108#pid2628108 no TheGuy
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628130#pid2628130 no Drohn
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628136#pid2628136 no GM Draclord
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628156#pid2628156 no PMJ
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628158#pid2628158 no rev3rsor
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628174#pid2628174 no Porygon-X
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628187#pid2628187 no Kecleon-X
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628320#pid2628320 no WanderingWolf
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-the-resistance-game-1-round-3?pid=2628367#pid2628367 yes Keeper of Night

Everyone already voted. The last vote was almost 6 days ago.