XY The Two Legendary Pokémon

[Luna_Cat16]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

To answer the Palkia question: Space, or at least unsorted space, in a lot of Creation myths is described like a chaotic ocean! And then out of the ocean you get planets and whatever. GF may have not intended it, but the space = Water type and thus Pearl association does make sense. I'd have to think more on Dialga though.

My bets on type kind of hinge on my Xerneas = Life Source/Nature and Yveltal = Death/Grim Reaper theory, so Xerneas is I don't know what and Yveltal is at least Dark, maybe Flying and maybe something else and it has Levitate or another Float-inducing ability. I'm going to wait a few more months before even poking at Xern's typing because of it's design.

 

[CyberCat5555]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

My bets on type kind of hinge on my Xerneas = Life Source/Nature and Yveltal = Death/Grim Reaper theory, so Xerneas is I don't know what and Yveltal is at least Dark, maybe Flying and maybe something else and it has Levitate or another Float-inducing ability. I'm going to wait a few more months before even poking at Xern's typing because of it's design.

I don't understand the life/nature vs death/grim reaper theory. The generation will be base around DNA or genetics based on the game's names and the Japanese logos. I know Xern lives in a forest, but that doesn't automatically represent life/nature. Several other random Pokemon live in forests, like the monkey trio. Also, Yvel looks very scary and intimidating, but I don't see the death connection. I know it resembles a vulture and all, but it just doesn't fit in with what this generation seems to be about. However, I do believe that Yvel will be Dark/Flying too. I'm betting on Xern being Psychic/Electric.

 

[Luna_Cat16]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

They're roles that haven't been covered in the game. Like think about it. There's a thematic purpose to each legend depending on the generation. The 3rd gen deals with the planet (land sea sky), the 4th deals with the aspects of creation (space time antimatter), and the 5th goes into...philosophies yeah Reshiram and Zekrom aren't really important to the creation of anything physical besides maybe changing climate.

The genetics theme implies DNA, which is a building block of life. I just think it would make sense for the legends to also be related to that topic! Heck they could both just be guarding a DNA related thing depending on the version. It kind of makes sense, like the whole idea of Xerneas "guarding" life, and then Yveltal being the one that sends it away??

 

[Mitja]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I know Xern lives in a forest, but that doesn't automatically represent life/nature.

The first time I saw it (with its front side like that) the one thing I thought about was Yggdrasil. Is it just me?

 

[Rally]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I know Xern lives in a forest, but that doesn't automatically represent life/nature.

The first time I saw it (with its front side like that) the one thing I thought about was Yggdrasil. Is it just me?

Nope, same for me too. Its been really popular with RPGs (Pokemon?) so I thought about it too. Im also with the DNA thing. Maybe Xerneas is another Pokemon that helped in the creation of life?

 

[Fennex]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I know Xern lives in a forest, but that doesn't automatically represent life/nature.

The first time I saw it (with its front side like that) the one thing I thought about was Yggdrasil. Is it just me?

Do you mean Xerneas itself could be based on Yggdrasil? Interesting point, though I rather think of a "world tree" based on Yggdrasil might be a location in the new games, with Xerneas, Yveltal and their third equivalent being based on the mythical creatures (stag, blind eagle and snake-like dragon) that are said to inhabit Yggdrasil according to Norse mythology.

I think such a world tree could be used similar to Mt. Coronet in DPPt, so it would be either the geographical or the cultural/spiritual center of the new region (or both), surrounded by a big forest area, which you have to cross on different routes at several occasions of the main story. Finally you would have to climb up the tree itself to face the respective legendary Pokemon in a final showdown.

I'd really like to see a less urban region this time, that povides an atmosphere of roaming the wilderness, like RSE did in parts.

 

[Their Goominess]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

On the DNA thing in this game, I think the DNA Splicers should return. It makes sense that these DNA related items can do something in a game where DNA is a theme.

Also, I don't see Xerneas as a Steel type. Sure, its got those legs and that blue color, but thats all it's really got going for it. Heck, you could argue that it could be a Bug type because it's blue color is similar to Heracross'.

I really want to find out more about these legendaries. I'm hoping that the April CoroCoro has Xern, Yvel and Sylveon's types, along with info on all 3.

 

[Fennex]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I guess the main reason why I can't acquire a taste for an Electric type Xerneas is:

It's not one of those.
You don't have to plug in Xerneas to illuminate its antlers.

 

[KiKi]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I know Xern lives in a forest, but that doesn't automatically represent life/nature.

The first time I saw it (with its front side like that) the one thing I thought about was Yggdrasil. Is it just me?

This is an interesting theory, one that I share with you.
And if that's true, then that means that there will be 5 more legendaries that will be introduced to correspond with Xerneas and Yveltal.

They definitely remind me of this image:

Spoiler

 

[McMuffins]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

To answer the Palkia question: Space, or at least unsorted space, in a lot of Creation myths is described like a chaotic ocean! And then out of the ocean you get planets and whatever. GF may have not intended it, but the space = Water type and thus Pearl association does make sense. I'd have to think more on Dialga though.

My bets on type kind of hinge on my Xerneas = Life Source/Nature and Yveltal = Death/Grim Reaper theory, so Xerneas is I don't know what and Yveltal is at least Dark, maybe Flying and maybe something else and it has Levitate or another Float-inducing ability. I'm going to wait a few more months before even poking at Xern's typing because of it's design.

Palkia's typing can also be based on the works of Newton and how he used water and a bucket to establish absolute space.

Also, Diagla's typing could be based off the 'rigidness' of time as some call it.

 

[Luna_Cat16]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

Okay sorry for bumping this all the way back up, but does anyone here know the usual time frame for when we get the information on the legendaries? I'm not talking about their types, which I'm sure will be revealed before the game, but rather like their whole purpose or at least Pokedex entries. Do we have to wait until the release of the game to find out what they do (like in terms of space god or ideal god or whatever), or will there be some hints before that?

 

[AdamLambert]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I have a feeling that Xerneas represents order and peace, and Yveltal represents chaos. I think the genetics theme will be more of a professor thing.

 

[CyberCat5555]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I'm going ahead and calling it-Xerneas and Yveltal will get new forms in the sequel games. I bet that they will be covered in tubes like Mewtwo or Deoxys. They will also glow even more.

 

[Frezgle]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

In the light of the Fairy type being almost certain at this point, I had an idea about their types.

Yveltal: We haven't had a Poison-type legendary yet, and it looks... cancerous, in a way, with the black vein patterns. It also shares some similarities with Wyverns, which are often described as highly venomous. As for its second type? I don't know. I want to say possibly Flying, but Latios/Latias and other flying Pokemon haven't always necessarily been Flying types. I don't want to say Dragon because it's been overdone but it's a possibility, and it would balance the two legendaries out type-wise, assuming Xerneas is...

Xerneas: The new Fairy type (it's not a literal tinkerbell fairy, but it does seem to be something like a forest spirit, which is awfully close.) This would give it both a type advantage against Yveltal if it's part Dragon (both immune and super effective to it), but also a weakness to its Poison typing.

I think I may be assuming too much that GF would want them to be balanced. After all, Kyogre and Groudon aren't balanced at all; Kyogre is going to win against Groudon one-on-one in almost every case. But it is still possible that it's something they're going for this time around, and I think my proposed types would work for that.

 

[Mitja]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

Yeah no they never cared about type match-ups between the mascots.
And not just for the cases where they are like bros (Dialga has dragon to defeat Palkia and Giratina with, while they have no advantages back.), but even the prime example of rivalry you mention, Groudon and Kyogre, is completely one-sided and unfair. And Xerneas/Yveltal probably won't be fighting each other.

It doesnt matter. And if they did care about that at some point in creating them, it would be low priority. First and foremost the types of important legendaries are decided according to their concepts, backstory and design.


Now with the Fairy type essentially confirmed, I'm in the Poison/Flying (or Dark/Flying) and Grass/Fairy camp, while earlier I was hoping we'd get a pure Grass mascot before we enter the realm of fancy combinations (so far its all been pure, dragon or flying, but representing one distinct "element")

 

[Luna_Cat16]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I'm still following Hiro's info and going for Dark/Flying for Yveltal, and pure Fairy for Xerneas.

Though honestly I do kind of hope he messed up on that one and Yvel is a Poison/Flying type, not just because of the pretty much first Poison legend but also with their most likely themes.

Seriously if Xerneas doesn't govern the growth and stability of life and Yveltal doesn't control their death/withering away I will be very annoyed. It just makes sense. uwu

 

[Frezgle]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I agree. Plus dark is overdone.
"So we have a sinister looking Pokemon with some black parts on it. Dark type?"
"Yep."
"Yeah what else are we gonna make it lol"
"Obviously"

Poison would be so much cooler.

 

[Luna_Cat16]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

It could easily represent natural cell death, aka apoptosis! I doubt they'd ever include a pure evil Pokemon that can kill anything and is in the normal human world (Giratina is kind of this being antimatter but he's in the Distortion World so it's okay), so Yveltal is likely more of a necessary grim reaper thing than a harbinger of doom and destruction. And if the supposed Fairy type is weak to Poison......wow talk about a thematic jackpot.

I mean both are equally likely, though I'm getting more Dark vibes the more I look at those stormy skies on the Nintendo.com site, but Poison would be cooler.

 

[AdamLambert]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

Although Fairy-type is fairly likely, and as much as I want it, I'm still a bit skeptical. I see Xerneas as a Grass/Fairy or Ground/Psychic depending on whether or not Fairy-type is real. Or pure Fairy as Hiro said. Yveltal strikes me as a Dark/Flying or Fighting/Flying. I'm hoping for the latter.

 

[Metalizard]

RE: The Two Legendary Pokemon

I agree. Plus dark is overdone.

How is Dark overdone? In terms of legendaries, there's only one currently...

I think death/destruction/whatever Yveltal is supposed to represent fits better the Dark-type than the Poison-type... Plus, it's called Yveltal; according to Bulbapedia, "yvel" is a middle english spelling of "evil"...