The WORST card of Pokemon TCG

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vilebaseball said:
Foxtrot said:
I never claimed that being a holo means a card is good. I was saying that surge didn't deserve to be printed as a holo because of how bad it is.

Get help? When a topic is started about the best/worse of XXXX, the general assumtion is that is implies all time. Maybe your misunderstandin is from a lack of board experience or general speaking to people, in which case don't start crud you're not used to dealin with. How is it impractical to do so? Dealing with >6000 cards too hard for you (not sure if thats really under or not...)? You're weak point about them possibly making a new card that does XXX is a desperate attempt to prove a cards usefullness. Since such a card has never been released, your clearly not winning this arguement. As for how cards are designed, of course thats how it works. Why would you make a card thats 3 formats beyond its time? Or a card thats belongs 2 formats ago? Rocket's persian ex is a good example of that mistake but those type of mistakes are pretty rare.

I was talkin about surge's secret plan, not porygon. All 3 are wastes of space, but porygon can at least evolve and help your feild develop (via stalling).

I was mocking it but okay. And LOL what a fool. I doubt you'd actually get that money and is probably a joke bid. And people are restating what you are because they haven't done any research/played this game since it started and have only heard of porygon and nothing else.

There were at least 3 world quality players at my league. Also, I never claimed porygon was the focus of any deck (mearly a tech in a few). Also, so what your saying is that porygon does not help against a grass deck that heals when your playing a water deck that doesn't hit for a whole lot? LOL right.

WRONG! Surge is 100X WORSE than switch, as it requires you to switch with a pokemon in your hand and you can't use it if you have a bench. As for SSP, the card would never be on the feild for long at all. Stalling a turn with a pesudo-fossil (which didn't give up a prize and could actually do something) just because it "didn't give up a prize" is laughable in any format. You're pick has positive functions that I've listed and you've simply dismissed because you didn't like the format. lol way to lose. As for the little deck battle there, I'd gladly take my porygon along with my porgyon 2 and porygon Z, thank you very much. But you can have the amazing maitnences as a parting gift.

Okay, so let me get this strait. A card doesn't have to be good to be holo, it just can't be bad? What kind of ludicrous statement is that? I'm going to edit the rest of this and include the rest, this is just too funny for you to be able to edit away.

Yes, that is correct. The worst card in Pokemon TCG. Cards are meant to be used with and limited by other cards within the window that the set is allowed in modified. Again, for all you know, they could make a card that makes one of your cards incredibly good. There's no way to know. This whole arguement may not matter if the world ends. These need to be in terms of the practicality of this debate (because we don't know what may come out and make a card far better) as well as in judging the card based on it's intended use (I'm not entirely certain, as I haven't played competitively since WOTC left, but do "unlimited" format matches count towards your player rating? Do they have unlimited matches for scholarship prizes at tournaments?), in modified format. I'm not sure where you're going with the Rocket's Persian ex garbage. My point is, that regardless of what they've released now, or what you think they will or won't do, it doesn't matter. They purposely come up with a card to counter every card out there (lest there be some unbeatable deck).

Porygon cannot evolve in MODIFIED, given that's what counts. It cannot stall for umm, crud. Eevee in play. Porygon changes resist to colorless. Eevee evolves into Flareon/Jolteon/Vaporeon, Porygon loses. It has 30 HP. Anything that hits 40 has it down in 3, and even with resistance, a "low hitting" Blastoise in a water deck (which is also powered up very quickly) could take it down in one hit. As long as you didn't have any grass weakness cards (no big deal), a water deck should have had no problem against a grass deck. Again, I don't know what kind of league you played in. Maybe those three "world quality" players didn't use Porygon and didn't underestimate water Pokemon like you do. And yes, I would actually get that money. Both they and myself do business transactions on a weekly basis. That is one of many I have gotten (out of the 4 major Pokemon retailers on eBay I asked for identification help with, 4 offered over $150 for it after saying they have no clue). We've been going on with this discussion for pages, although it seems like you just keep rephrasing your same incorrect statement over and over and over again. People have acknowledged our debate. They repeat Porygon, they repeat Magikarp. Where are yours? Are you trying to say everyone repeats every answer BUT the right one. What are the odds of that? Okay then, who here is willing to enter a legally binding contract to give me $100? My plan is, for each person that picks no, that's not the right answer, so they really mean yes. I'll be rich. See the logic in that?

If there was a Hitmonlee on the field, the player may prefer to go from the hand. And for the last time, even though you may feel there is a card that better performs the function, the card you mention still PERFORMS A FUNCTION, and maybe if not in the most efficient way by your standards, it is still a useful one. Porygon DOES NOT. It has no positive functions whatsoever. It's not that I don't like the format, it just makes no logical sense to judge by it. No, no, no. Don't get ahead of yourself. No selecting decent cards now. I have no qualms with Porygon2 (well, the NR one wasn't very good, but certainly not "worst" material like you claimed the ones I'm taking are) or Porygon Z.

Really, I'm sorry that you don't win this one. I feel bad, considering this seems to happen every time. Just a suggestion, but maybe it would be a good idea to start picking the correct stance. I know it sounds crazy, but often times the correct person wins.
See the small bus goin away? I guess you’re not going to school today so let me teach you some things.
“I never claimed that being a holo means a card is good. I was saying that surge didn't deserve to be printed as a holo because of how bad it is.”
A card being holo does not mean that a card is good. Surge didn’t deserve to be printed as a holo because it is a terrible card and therefore a waste of foil/money.
“Okay, so let me get this strait. A card doesn't have to be good to be holo, it just can't be bad? What kind of ludicrous statement is that? I'm going to edit the rest of this and include the rest, this is just too funny for you to be able to edit away.”
You misread what I write and somehow interpurt it as saying the EXACT opposite of what I DO write. That’s incredible and deserves applause. Maybe the bus route you take isn’t straight but mine sure is.
WTF? Are you serious? That’s just some liberal bs and is quite funny to laugh at. They could make a card to make one of my support cards incredible good....but yet, THEY HAVE MADE CARDS THAT MAKE YOU’RE PICK BETTER BUT CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT?? Lawl that’s great. Pro Tip: You can’t use “ifs” in any sort of serious debate and expect to get support. lol random spewing. If I play by your rules, rocket’s persian ex is the worse card ever printed. PERIOD. If you say otherwise, you are just an idiot and I’ll get a good laugh at you. Plox says hi. Gatr says hi. Blaziken says hi. Pro Tip: Bone up on your history before you start making accusations like that.
....Porygon md says hi. Man, I never realized how many friends the little bus gets. I’m actually jealous. Player sends up hitomchan/electrobuzz and kos lution. Your turn. Lol making assumptions again I see. Its cute but fine. I’ll give you points for trying. Water pokemon? Pff, everybody uses charizard and machamp. Lol 150 dollars for what could be a fake energy card. Boy, are people on ebay really stupid or what? Yes, they repeat obama over and over again as some kind of savior....ha. Again, if you go and study the people who are voting here, 95% of them probably never played back during base (which, btw, isn’t a format, but for your sake, I’ll say it is).
Hitmolee? Lol and here you are, criticizing my league. And are you serious? Seriously? Theres only ONE reason I could think of that a person would EVER play surge and that is rocket’s minefield (later torterra SF and theres another I’m not recalling). I’m surprised a pokemon player and seller of your amazing stature has never heard of that card...but I’m actually not. Lol seems like you can only actually play debater when you are playing on your terms and with random situations. That’s cute but that’s not how Pokémon works. Sorry. Again, walling against a format that doesn’t hit for a lot and changing weakness against a pokemon that is hard to kill (zard/stoise/saur/chansey) say you’re 200% wrong and need to get an education. If we’re actually doin this debate the way it is ment to be by the O.P., then porygon evos and also is a sacrifice in order to activate a scramble energy. You’re turn with Surge/surge’s plan.
So I guess I must’ve beat you into a comma by now and you’ll hopefully wake up in time to catch that ever-so-sly small bus, but I must warn you: Don’t like the tasty windows. Pro Tip #1: Don’t play richard unless you’re richard. Pro Tip #2: Maybe you’ll learn a few things by sticking around and pulling your head out of your ass, but I kinda doubt that. Have a lovely day.

Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever.
 
Foxtrot said:
See the small bus goin away? I guess you’re not going to school today so let me teach you some things.
A card being holo does not mean that a card is good. Surge didn’t deserve to be printed as a holo because it is a terrible card and therefore a waste of foil/money.
You misread what I write and somehow interpurt it as saying the EXACT opposite of what I DO write. That’s incraaedible and deserves applause. Maybe the bus route you take isn’t straight but mine sure is.
huh?? Are you serious? That’s just some liberal bs and is quite funny to laugh at. They could make a card to make one of my support cards incredible good...but yet, THEY HAVE MADE CARDS THAT MAKE YOU’RE PICK BETTER BUT CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT?? Lawl that’s great. Pro Tip: You can’t use “ifs” in any sort of serious debate and expect to get support. lol random spewing. If I play by your rules, rocket’s persian ex is the worse card ever printed. PERIOD. If you say otherwise, you are just an idiot and I’ll get a good laugh at you. Plox says hi. Gatr says hi. Blaziken says hi. Pro Tip: Bone up on your history before you start making accusations like that.
....Porygon md says hi. Man, I never realized how many friends the little bus gets. I’m actually jealous. Player sends up hitomchan/electrobuzz and kos lution. Your turn. Lol making assumptions again I see. Its cute but fine. I’ll give you points for trying. Water pokemon? Pff, everybody uses charizard and machamp. Lol 150 dollars for what could be a fake energy card. Boy, are people on ebay really stupid or what? Yes, they repeat obama over and over again as some kind of savior...ha. Again, if you go and study the people who are voting here, 95% of them probably never played back during base (which, btw, isn’t a format, but for your sake, I’ll say it is).
Hitmolee? Lol and here you are, criticizing my league. And are you serious? Seriously? Theres only ONE reason I could think of that a person would EVER play surge and that is rocket’s minefield (later torterra SF and theres another I’m not recalling). I’m surprised a pokemon player and seller of your amazing stature has never heard of that card...but I’m actually not. Lol seems like you can only actually play debater when you are playing on your terms and with random situations. That’s cute but that’s not how Pokémon works. Sorry. Again, walling against a format that doesn’t hit for a lot and changing weakness against a pokemon that is hard to kill (zard/stoise/saur/chansey) say you’re 200% wrong and need to get an education. If we’re actually doing this debate the way it is ment to be by the O.P., then porygon evos and also is a sacrifice in order to activate a scramble energy. You’re turn with Surge/surge’s plan.
So I guess I must’ve beat you into a comma by now and you’ll hopefully wake up in time to catch that ever-so-sly small bus, but I must warn you: Don’t like the tasty windows. Pro Tip #1: Don’t play richard unless you’re richard. Pro Tip #2: Maybe you’ll learn a few things by sticking around and pulling your head out of your grass, but I kinda doubt that. Have a lovely day.

Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever.

First off, I think we should throw you a party. By repeating something I already said, you got something right. Yay! Remember doing it? "Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever." Isn't listening to me just wonderful?

You make a comment comparing me to people who can't help the issues they face, and then proceed on to contradict yourself, again. Your level of maturity and intelligence never cease to amaze me.

Okay, let's see here, "liberal bs". Hmm. Remind me, does Rocket's Persian ex do damage? Oh, it does? Wow. And yes, I do continue to. BECAUSE BASE SET PORYGON COULD NOT EVER EVOLVE INTO ANY OF THOSE CARDS WHEN IT WAS PLAYABLE IN MODIFIED FORMAT. Yes, I will take a "pro tip" from the person who: doesn't understand sarcasm, makes the most disgusting comparions I've ever seen (with any luck, kharma exists, and should someone make the mistake of mothering your child, you'll learn from this very quickly), and obviously cannot seem to grasp the concept of comparison. Really, this is just becoming redundant for me, and it's quite appearant by the fact you're speaking like a slack-jawed drunk man that you've abandoned all hope of seeming like a competant individual.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. If you had any knowledge of politics whatsoever, you would recognize the man in my signature, where it came from, and deduce who I supported from that. And yes, because PSA certifies fake cards all the time. I'm not sure if you don't read the words, of if you're just too arrogant to let it get through. It's called an example. It is one of the many cards that could perform a function that would make a card like Lt. Surge useful. Obviously you didn't find it worth your time to find the other card you're forgetting, just as I don't find it prudent to rattle off more examples.

I'm not sure any of what you said hasn't been addressed already. It's really just gone from mildly entertaining to very pathetic. I will commend you on one more thing though, taking a loss in stride is so cliche. Way to forge your own path.

Short of you getting off of your illogical bandwagon about using it in terms of unlimited, I'm not sure what more point there is to my posting other than to encourage you to continue to booze up, which I must say, is a very bad habit. I applaud you though. That was one of the most pathetic displays I have ever seen from someone over the age of umm, well. I'm not sure really. Maybe of all times. Kind of a hissy fit/temper tantrum merge. Regardless, post legibly and with logic or I'm done wasting my time. You and all of the people that agree with you can keep this going (that means it'll go on for like, a whole post!).
 
vilebaseball said:
Foxtrot said:
See the small bus goin away? I guess you’re not going to school today so let me teach you some things.
A card being holo does not mean that a card is good. Surge didn’t deserve to be printed as a holo because it is a terrible card and therefore a waste of foil/money.
You misread what I write and somehow interpurt it as saying the EXACT opposite of what I DO write. That’s incraaedible and deserves applause. Maybe the bus route you take isn’t straight but mine sure is.
huh?? Are you serious? That’s just some liberal bs and is quite funny to laugh at. They could make a card to make one of my support cards incredible good...but yet, THEY HAVE MADE CARDS THAT MAKE YOU’RE PICK BETTER BUT CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT?? Lawl that’s great. Pro Tip: You can’t use “ifs” in any sort of serious debate and expect to get support. lol random spewing. If I play by your rules, rocket’s persian ex is the worse card ever printed. PERIOD. If you say otherwise, you are just an idiot and I’ll get a good laugh at you. Plox says hi. Gatr says hi. Blaziken says hi. Pro Tip: Bone up on your history before you start making accusations like that.
....Porygon md says hi. Man, I never realized how many friends the little bus gets. I’m actually jealous. Player sends up hitomchan/electrobuzz and kos lution. Your turn. Lol making assumptions again I see. Its cute but fine. I’ll give you points for trying. Water pokemon? Pff, everybody uses charizard and machamp. Lol 150 dollars for what could be a fake energy card. Boy, are people on ebay really stupid or what? Yes, they repeat obama over and over again as some kind of savior...ha. Again, if you go and study the people who are voting here, 95% of them probably never played back during base (which, btw, isn’t a format, but for your sake, I’ll say it is).
Hitmolee? Lol and here you are, criticizing my league. And are you serious? Seriously? Theres only ONE reason I could think of that a person would EVER play surge and that is rocket’s minefield (later torterra SF and theres another I’m not recalling). I’m surprised a pokemon player and seller of your amazing stature has never heard of that card...but I’m actually not. Lol seems like you can only actually play debater when you are playing on your terms and with random situations. That’s cute but that’s not how Pokémon works. Sorry. Again, walling against a format that doesn’t hit for a lot and changing weakness against a pokemon that is hard to kill (zard/stoise/saur/chansey) say you’re 200% wrong and need to get an education. If we’re actually doing this debate the way it is ment to be by the O.P., then porygon evos and also is a sacrifice in order to activate a scramble energy. You’re turn with Surge/surge’s plan.
So I guess I must’ve beat you into a comma by now and you’ll hopefully wake up in time to catch that ever-so-sly small bus, but I must warn you: Don’t like the tasty windows. Pro Tip #1: Don’t play richard unless you’re richard. Pro Tip #2: Maybe you’ll learn a few things by sticking around and pulling your head out of your grass, but I kinda doubt that. Have a lovely day.

Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever.

First off, I think we should throw you a party. By repeating something I already said, you got something right. Yay! Remember doing it? "Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever." Isn't listening to me just wonderful?

You make a comment comparing me to people who can't help the issues they face, and then proceed on to contradict yourself, again. Your level of maturity and intelligence never cease to amaze me.

Okay, let's see here, "liberal bs". Hmm. Remind me, does Rocket's Persian ex do damage? Oh, it does? Wow. And yes, I do continue to. BECAUSE BASE SET PORYGON COULD NOT EVER EVOLVE INTO ANY OF THOSE CARDS WHEN IT WAS PLAYABLE IN MODIFIED FORMAT. Yes, I will take a "pro tip" from the person who: doesn't understand sarcasm, makes the most disgusting comparions I've ever seen (with any luck, kharma exists, and should someone make the mistake of mothering your child, you'll learn from this very quickly), and obviously cannot seem to grasp the concept of comparison. Really, this is just becoming redundant for me, and it's quite appearant by the fact you're speaking like a slack-jawed drunk man that you've abandoned all hope of seeming like a competant individual.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. If you had any knowledge of politics whatsoever, you would recognize the man in my signature, where it came from, and deduce who I supported from that. And yes, because PSA certifies fake cards all the time. I'm not sure if you don't read the words, of if you're just too arrogant to let it get through. It's called an example. It is one of the many cards that could perform a function that would make a card like Lt. Surge useful. Obviously you didn't find it worth your time to find the other card you're forgetting, just as I don't find it prudent to rattle off more examples.

I'm not sure any of what you said hasn't been addressed already. It's really just gone from mildly entertaining to very pathetic. I will commend you on one more thing though, taking a loss in stride is so cliche. Way to forge your own path.

Short of you getting off of your illogical bandwagon about using it in terms of unlimited, I'm not sure what more point there is to my posting other than to encourage you to continue to booze up, which I must say, is a very bad habit. I applaud you though. That was one of the most pathetic displays I have ever seen from someone over the age of umm, well. I'm not sure really. Maybe of all times. Kind of a hissy fit/temper tantrum merge. Regardless, post legibly and with logic or I'm done wasting my time. You and all of the people that agree with you can keep this going (that means it'll go on for like, a whole post!).
I wasn't copying you so get over yourself. lol jeeze, but thats exaclty my point. Nobody is reading your relyies either, are they? They are playing parrot and saying exactly what the other 1 liners are saying.

I hope you don’t become a teacher of any kind, because someone with a complete lack of understanding on how to read what people write spells doom for such a profession for you. Please tell me you are not goin into such a profession.

Remind me...does persian ex get onto the field? Wait....it didn’t? OMG. Its such an amazing pokemon that it doesn’t need any stinkin meowth. Looks like you failed again buddy boy. Porygon could be played. By your OWN rules, you lost. Have fun with life.

Oh, I make a lot of sarcasm. Just not on online forums where you there’s isn’t a person actually talkin to you and suggesting what they really mean in their tone of voice. Man, I thought you would’ve taken a good laugh from those, as I think its quite funny and should be in a bit sometime soon. As for mothering a child, I have a girlfriend (OMG) and I’ll leave it at that. I’ve made comparsions to EVEYRTHING you’ve tried to make work for your case and you’ve just ignored them and keep changing the debate rules in order to keep your little porygon case alive. And I’m not the one spending 150 dollars on a pokemon card....that exists in countless numbers at that. Hahaha joke.

Obviously you don’t get when I’m speaking to you and when I’m speaking to the masses. Maybe you’re new title should be “whipping boy” because you seem to enjoy a verbal whipping as much as anybody I’ve ever met...and you keep coming back. I wish I was selling beatings cause I would be making a fortune. But wait, I don’t. I sell pokemon cards to idiots in a time of economic depression. LMFAO. PSA is ran by humans right? I’m sure a pokemon masta like yourself could easily fake them with your uber amazing lighting energy (or whatever type it is). WTF are you talking about? Sorry but NONE of those cards were around durning the modified format, so when surge was printed, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. Oh wait....you don’t like that. Go go gadget sniping. Oh wait....you can put the pokemon down on the bench and then play switch and do the same thing? Say WHAT??? Sounds like you can’t and won’t because there are 0 cases in which surge is useful at all over a common switch.

You’ve addressed that? Really? Hahaha omg I can’t wait to link this to everybody. I think they’ll get a good laugh from it. Anyways, you haven’t so try again buddy.

Okay...see, I have this thing called friends. I’m sure they would love to come to the pokebeach and agree with me...or at least try to have a realistic debate. Not “oh, I countered this point somewhere in the past and you didn’t read it...”. lawl I love you.
 
Now, calm down, Skeeter. They ain't hurtin' nobody.
Let's not start flame war here please.

I think Ancient Mew is bad, but maybe not the worst. It's looks rather ugly to me, So I don't think it holds collection value. You can't read it, although there are translations about. It has HP30 and does 40 damage for [P,P] =/
 
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This one has to be at least one of the worst stage2s ever made.

But yeah, Porygon is pretty terrible (even in unlimited).
 
Heavenly Spoon :F said:
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This one has to be at least one of the worst stage2s ever made.

But yeah, Porygon is pretty terrible (even in unlimited).

Woot ?
It's epic on the TCG Game for Game Boy ^^
 
Foxtrot said:
vilebaseball said:
Foxtrot said:
See the small bus goin away? I guess you’re not going to school today so let me teach you some things.
A card being holo does not mean that a card is good. Surge didn’t deserve to be printed as a holo because it is a terrible card and therefore a waste of foil/money.
You misread what I write and somehow interpurt it as saying the EXACT opposite of what I DO write. That’s incraaedible and deserves applause. Maybe the bus route you take isn’t straight but mine sure is.
huh?? Are you serious? That’s just some liberal bs and is quite funny to laugh at. They could make a card to make one of my support cards incredible good...but yet, THEY HAVE MADE CARDS THAT MAKE YOU’RE PICK BETTER BUT CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT?? Lawl that’s great. Pro Tip: You can’t use “ifs” in any sort of serious debate and expect to get support. lol random spewing. If I play by your rules, rocket’s persian ex is the worse card ever printed. PERIOD. If you say otherwise, you are just an idiot and I’ll get a good laugh at you. Plox says hi. Gatr says hi. Blaziken says hi. Pro Tip: Bone up on your history before you start making accusations like that.
....Porygon md says hi. Man, I never realized how many friends the little bus gets. I’m actually jealous. Player sends up hitomchan/electrobuzz and kos lution. Your turn. Lol making assumptions again I see. Its cute but fine. I’ll give you points for trying. Water pokemon? Pff, everybody uses charizard and machamp. Lol 150 dollars for what could be a fake energy card. Boy, are people on ebay really stupid or what? Yes, they repeat obama over and over again as some kind of savior...ha. Again, if you go and study the people who are voting here, 95% of them probably never played back during base (which, btw, isn’t a format, but for your sake, I’ll say it is).
Hitmolee? Lol and here you are, criticizing my league. And are you serious? Seriously? Theres only ONE reason I could think of that a person would EVER play surge and that is rocket’s minefield (later torterra SF and theres another I’m not recalling). I’m surprised a pokemon player and seller of your amazing stature has never heard of that card...but I’m actually not. Lol seems like you can only actually play debater when you are playing on your terms and with random situations. That’s cute but that’s not how Pokémon works. Sorry. Again, walling against a format that doesn’t hit for a lot and changing weakness against a pokemon that is hard to kill (zard/stoise/saur/chansey) say you’re 200% wrong and need to get an education. If we’re actually doing this debate the way it is ment to be by the O.P., then porygon evos and also is a sacrifice in order to activate a scramble energy. You’re turn with Surge/surge’s plan.
So I guess I must’ve beat you into a comma by now and you’ll hopefully wake up in time to catch that ever-so-sly small bus, but I must warn you: Don’t like the tasty windows. Pro Tip #1: Don’t play richard unless you’re richard. Pro Tip #2: Maybe you’ll learn a few things by sticking around and pulling your head out of your grass, but I kinda doubt that. Have a lovely day.

Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever.

First off, I think we should throw you a party. By repeating something I already said, you got something right. Yay! Remember doing it? "Edit: OKAY PEOPLE. First off, magicarp HP can evolve. Second, magicarp HP had delta rainbow. Get over it. He's not the worse pokemon ever." Isn't listening to me just wonderful?

You make a comment comparing me to people who can't help the issues they face, and then proceed on to contradict yourself, again. Your level of maturity and intelligence never cease to amaze me.

Okay, let's see here, "liberal bs". Hmm. Remind me, does Rocket's Persian ex do damage? Oh, it does? Wow. And yes, I do continue to. BECAUSE BASE SET PORYGON COULD NOT EVER EVOLVE INTO ANY OF THOSE CARDS WHEN IT WAS PLAYABLE IN MODIFIED FORMAT. Yes, I will take a "pro tip" from the person who: doesn't understand sarcasm, makes the most disgusting comparions I've ever seen (with any luck, kharma exists, and should someone make the mistake of mothering your child, you'll learn from this very quickly), and obviously cannot seem to grasp the concept of comparison. Really, this is just becoming redundant for me, and it's quite appearant by the fact you're speaking like a slack-jawed drunk man that you've abandoned all hope of seeming like a competant individual.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. If you had any knowledge of politics whatsoever, you would recognize the man in my signature, where it came from, and deduce who I supported from that. And yes, because PSA certifies fake cards all the time. I'm not sure if you don't read the words, of if you're just too arrogant to let it get through. It's called an example. It is one of the many cards that could perform a function that would make a card like Lt. Surge useful. Obviously you didn't find it worth your time to find the other card you're forgetting, just as I don't find it prudent to rattle off more examples.

I'm not sure any of what you said hasn't been addressed already. It's really just gone from mildly entertaining to very pathetic. I will commend you on one more thing though, taking a loss in stride is so cliche. Way to forge your own path.

Short of you getting off of your illogical bandwagon about using it in terms of unlimited, I'm not sure what more point there is to my posting other than to encourage you to continue to booze up, which I must say, is a very bad habit. I applaud you though. That was one of the most pathetic displays I have ever seen from someone over the age of umm, well. I'm not sure really. Maybe of all times. Kind of a hissy fit/temper tantrum merge. Regardless, post legibly and with logic or I'm done wasting my time. You and all of the people that agree with you can keep this going (that means it'll go on for like, a whole post!).
I wasn't copying you so get over yourself. lol jeeze, but thats exaclty my point. Nobody is reading your relyies either, are they? They are playing parrot and saying exactly what the other 1 liners are saying.

I hope you don’t become a teacher of any kind, because someone with a complete lack of understanding on how to read what people write spells doom for such a profession for you. Please tell me you are not goin into such a profession.

Remind me...does persian ex get onto the field? Wait...it didn’t? OMG. Its such an amazing pokemon that it doesn’t need any stinkin meowth. Looks like you failed again buddy boy. Porygon could be played. By your OWN rules, you lost. Have fun with life.

Oh, I make a lot of sarcasm. Just not on online forums where you there’s isn’t a person actually talkin to you and suggesting what they really mean in their tone of voice. Man, I thought you would’ve taken a good laugh from those, as I think its quite funny and should be in a bit sometime soon. As for mothering a child, I have a girlfriend (OMG) and I’ll leave it at that. I’ve made comparsions to EVEYRTHING you’ve tried to make work for your case and you’ve just ignored them and keep changing the debate rules in order to keep your little porygon case alive. And I’m not the one spending 150 dollars on a pokemon card...that exists in countless numbers at that. Hahaha joke.

Obviously you don’t get when I’m speaking to you and when I’m speaking to the masses. Maybe you’re new title should be “whipping boy” because you seem to enjoy a verbal whipping as much as anybody I’ve ever met...and you keep coming back. I wish I was selling beatings cause I would be making a fortune. But wait, I don’t. I sell pokemon cards to idiots in a time of economic depression. LMFAO. PSA is ran by humans right? I’m sure a pokemon masta like yourself could easily fake them with your uber amazing lighting energy (or whatever type it is). huh? are you talking about? Sorry but NONE of those cards were around durning the modified format, so when surge was printed, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. Oh wait...you don’t like that. Go go gadget sniping. Oh wait...you can put the pokemon down on the bench and then play switch and do the same thing? Say WHAT??? Sounds like you can’t and won’t because there are 0 cases in which surge is useful at all over a common switch.

You’ve addressed that? Really? Hahaha omg I can’t wait to link this to everybody. I think they’ll get a good laugh from it. Anyways, you haven’t so try again buddy.

Okay...see, I have this thing called friends. I’m sure they would love to come to the pokebeach and agree with me...or at least try to have a realistic debate. Not “oh, I countered this point somewhere in the past and you didn’t read it...”. lawl I love you.

I don't plan on joining your debate, because I'm not interested, and you (foxtrot) are obviously wrong. I just wanted to say that you write like a 4 year old. Your statements don't make sense, and you're ignoring the facts staring you in the face. That alone shows your arrogant and childish behavior in this.
"Just not on online forums where you there’s isn’t a person actually talkin to you and suggesting what they really mean in their tone of voice."
I can't believe you'd actually post this messed up sentence without noticing, especially as you're supposed to be proving your superior intelligence.
 
^LOL I assume you're here on pokebeach for 2 reasons. Either you have friends here (which I have no problem here) or you're trying to bettter yourself at pokemon (in which LOL). Anyways, I write like a four year old? lmfao. Its the internet. If you don't like how I'm typing, talk to me in person. I'm sure that debate will end up lovely. I'm ignoring the facts and my opinion is wrong? how the fudge has he proved anything for his case besides his repeditive "it does nothing and did nothing when it was printed" case while I CONTINUE to give him points as to how its NOT the worse pokemon by EITHER of his standards. But 'tis okay, because the interenet is serious business. As for that statement, allow me to correct myself (as I wasn't typing that setence correctly, clearly):
Just not on an online forum where there isn’t a person actually talkin to me and suggesting what they really mean in their tone of voice.

There, better? Can you understand now? Do you get it? Do you? No? That sucks.
 
Guys, stick to the discussion. Don't insinuate anymore arguments chazmander - your post has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand.
 
yeah victreebell is pretty dang bad... but it still has more HP than some things do and it can still attack.. definitely worst S2 pokemon ever made though.
 
http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/fossil/9-kabutops.jpg

Looks like victreebell loses worse stage 2 ever...
 
damn, I got upset to read all that nonsense, poor guy lives in michigan just leave him alone he has nothing else to do but keyboard battle, oh and pokemon, i dont know who is right or wrong but jeez relax....

EDIT 1: I hate to admit it but i think porygon might be worse, because atleast magikarp evolves
EDIT 2: wow just re-read porygon, and it is soooooo horrible/useless
EDIT 3: we got off on the wrong foot Vile but you have/had a good point..
 
Foxtrot said:
http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/fossil/9-kabutops.jpg

Looks like victreebell loses worse stage 2 ever...

that one can at least so damage... it's a a hard pick between the two though....
 
^Dark Alakazam is less than or equal to Kabutops. Although I would say that Kabutops was better during its format for sure.
 
Dark Zam could use darkness energy and blast to the bench and hide behind babies (was actually an archtype and very annoying).
 
AGAIN, porygon can evolve and has 2 very unique attacks (I think the weakness change is the only one that exists as an attack while the resistance one seems to be a trait of his). That alone, when compared to cards like blaine's kangashan and even kabutops makes it better then them.
 
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