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I play my deck 4-3-4 Gatr with 4 Rare Candy and such and so forth, so my T1 Gatr drop is mas likely as their Machamp or Kingdra.
 
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I don't doubt that T2 Gatr that should happen quite often in Hurricane. It is the cycle that requires some Bronzong/Claydol/Gardevoir to run. Unless you play 20 energy then your chance of a huge attack that will level my main attacker is slim.
 
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I don't run any Gardevoir TBH. I opted for Kingdra tech over Gardy. Bronzong/Claydol has always been enough for me.
 
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2 Bronzong and a Claydol in play gives you an average of around 100-120 damage a turn.
 
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But to have that setup by T2 is where I get hung up on this deck. That seems so unlikely to me.
 
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Whoever said that should be shot.

(P.S: I'm just kidding)
 
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Dictator Dauntless said:
So you could get the following T1 hand consistently--Machamp, Rare Candy, Machop, Fighting Energy, Stark Mountain, Regirock, Felicity's Drawing. Because that's pretty much the only way you're getting two energy on in your first turn., and only if Felicity's Drawing yields another fighting energy for you.

Except that Scizor only needs itself to do 70 damage, can increase past that, has an auto agility attack, and a great defense with low HP, has more HP, and is more consistent. And that Scizor can go past that damage with Cherrim, and that they can do a billion other things...Also, whatever Scizor draws into, it probably uses immediately, so Wager just gives a new hand, probably bigger than the one it already has.

A good build will have Sunflora, Dawn Stadium, and Pokehealer+, so anything beyond a OHKO will be mostly ineffective, which only the fire cards can deliver at all. Oh and with Energy Trans and Power WHip, huge sniping is possible. So yeah, it's nothing but a better Magmortar. That's not good I guess.

Show me your list that fits all of these things with Raichu, and then we talk.

I don't see anything clunky about that. Last time I checked my list has lost 2 matches out of twelve, those being very close, coming down to a last prize scenario. By the time I have my cycle going, it's probably my second turn.
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Who said anything about getting that t1? Thats insane. However, if I get a t1 machamp, you better have wasted a call energy/RR spot to get your G or else your still getting a nice donk, with G basically being useless for the rest of the match.
Just like ANY other deck, if you're not wager proof, your going to lost ALOT of games simply due to it. If you think otherwise your simply kidding yourself. If you have no hand, good, all the more reason to win the match. lol
Funny because I'm playing steelix, an actually good wall and much better spreader, and he absolutely sucks this format. Why? The decks out there. They have outragous power, can get around metal, and can use spread. Anyways, anything beyond an OHKO is ineffective? 1) People have been crying to me that champ sucks because it gets OHKOed so easily.....but growth doesn't? lol 2) 80-40=40+80 next turn=120....bye bye all those energy. And LMFAO at it being better then magmortar. If you think that by getting another useable growth that it will do so good (because all the other cards were around last season) while magmotar, getting both heatran AND infernape AND stark mountain (highly overlooked), won't be good.....well I think that explains itself.
Why should I? I'm not going to post my list with a seperate 4-4 line....wow, nobody else can fit that in? What a shame....
hahahaha, what a bunch of bull. Either you get god way too often or the opponet was playing bad lists.
 
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Papi/Manny said:
Who said anything about getting that t1? Thats insane. However, if I get a t1 machamp, you better have wasted a call energy/RR spot to get your G or else your still getting a nice donk, with G basically being useless for the rest of the match.
Just like ANY other deck, if you're not wager proof, your going to lost ALOT of games simply due to it. If you think otherwise your simply kidding yourself. If you have no hand, good, all the more reason to win the match. lol
Funny because I'm playing steelix, an actually good wall and much better spreader, and he absolutely sucks this format. Why? The decks out there. They have outragous power, can get around metal, and can use spread. Anyways, anything beyond an OHKO is ineffective? 1) People have been crying to me that champ sucks because it gets OHKOed so easily...but growth doesn't? lol 2) 80-40=40+80 next turn=120...bye bye all those energy. And LMFAO at it being better then magmortar. If you think that by getting another useable growth that it will do so good (because all the other cards were around last season) while magmotar, getting both heatran AND infernape AND stark mountain (highly overlooked), won't be good...well I think that explains itself.
Why should I? I'm not going to post my list with a seperate 4-4 line...wow, nobody else can fit that in? What a shame....
hahahaha, what a bunch of bull. Either you get god way too often or the opponet was playing bad lists.
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You continue to show ignorance by ignoring everything ELSE. G helps against Machamp but is MORE for Noir and Gengar.

Again, Scizor will play nearly anything it gets RIGHT WHEN IT GETS IT. It doesn't need to save anything in its hand beyond energy, which a wager drop will probably still reap.

Only reason Champ will get KOed is because of the Lv X. Only fire deck out of the meta decks can OHKO Tangrowth without extreme Pluspower, and in any case, that's part of what energy trans is for. Voila!

So in other words, you don't prove anything, ergo, your argument fails.

I, unlike you, will post my list. Here you go.

Redshark 2.20 Deck List
Date: Tue Oct 28 18:58:12 2008

Name: gatrzong
Comments:

TOTAL CARDS: 60

POKEMON: 21
Stage 2: 5
1 : Kingdra, LA-7
4 : Feraligatr, MT-8
Stage 1: 7
3 : Croconaw, MT-44
2 : Claydol, GE-15
2 : Bronzong, SF
Basic: 9
2 : Bronzor, MD-52
1 : Horsea, LA-102
4 : Totodile, MT-106
2 : Baltoy, GE-60

TRAINERS: 25
Trainers: 12
2 : Night Maintenance, MT-113
4 : Pokehealer +
2 : Warp Point, MD-88
4 : Rare Candy, SS-88
Supporters: 13
4 : Roseanne's Research, SW-125
3 : Buck's Training, LA-130
2 : Cynthia's Feelings, LA-131
4 : Bebe's Search, MT-109

ENERGY: 14
Basic Energy: 14
14 : Water Energy, GC-132
 
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Dictator Dauntless said:
Papi/Manny said:
Who said anything about getting that t1? Thats insane. However, if I get a t1 machamp, you better have wasted a call energy/RR spot to get your G or else your still getting a nice donk, with G basically being useless for the rest of the match.
Just like ANY other deck, if you're not wager proof, your going to lost ALOT of games simply due to it. If you think otherwise your simply kidding yourself. If you have no hand, good, all the more reason to win the match. lol
Funny because I'm playing steelix, an actually good wall and much better spreader, and he absolutely sucks this format. Why? The decks out there. They have outragous power, can get around metal, and can use spread. Anyways, anything beyond an OHKO is ineffective? 1) People have been crying to me that champ sucks because it gets OHKOed so easily...but growth doesn't? lol 2) 80-40=40+80 next turn=120...bye bye all those energy. And LMFAO at it being better then magmortar. If you think that by getting another useable growth that it will do so good (because all the other cards were around last season) while magmotar, getting both heatran AND infernape AND stark mountain (highly overlooked), won't be good...well I think that explains itself.
Why should I? I'm not going to post my list with a seperate 4-4 line...wow, nobody else can fit that in? What a shame....
hahahaha, what a bunch of bull. Either you get god way too often or the opponet was playing bad lists.
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You continue to show ignorance by ignoring everything ELSE. G helps against Machamp but is MORE for Noir and Gengar.

Again, Scizor will play nearly anything it gets RIGHT WHEN IT GETS IT. It doesn't need to save anything in its hand beyond energy, which a wager drop will probably still reap.

Only reason Champ will get KOed is because of the Lv X. Only fire deck out of the meta decks can OHKO Tangrowth without extreme Pluspower, and in any case, that's part of what energy trans is for. Voila!

So in other words, you don't prove anything, ergo, your argument fails.

I, unlike you, will post my list. Here you go.

Redshark 2.20 Deck List
Date: Tue Oct 28 18:58:12 2008

Name: gatrzong
Comments:

TOTAL CARDS: 60

POKEMON: 21
Stage 2: 5
1 : Kingdra, LA-7
4 : Feraligatr, MT-8
Stage 1: 7
3 : Croconaw, MT-44
2 : Claydol, GE-15
2 : Bronzong, SF
Basic: 9
2 : Bronzor, MD-52
1 : Horsea, LA-102
4 : Totodile, MT-106
2 : Baltoy, GE-60

TRAINERS: 25
Trainers: 12
2 : Night Maintenance, MT-113
4 : Pokehealer +
2 : Warp Point, MD-88
4 : Rare Candy, SS-88
Supporters: 13
4 : Roseanne's Research, SW-125
3 : Buck's Training, LA-130
2 : Cynthia's Feelings, LA-131
4 : Bebe's Search, MT-109

ENERGY: 14
Basic Energy: 14
14 : Water Energy, GC-132
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LMAO. I already addressed those points. If you had actually read my post, you would've known that and that little flame could've been avoided (and so could've your foolishness).
I love when a deck has to topdeck to win. Espically a swarm deck that's low on hp.
Let's have fun, shall we? OHKOers include (with a plus power/buck's given in a few cases):
Fire cards
Machamp with X
T-tar
Garchomp (meh)
Gengar (the power more-so then the attacks, though his first attack will go after your sceppys)
Chu
Sally
Electrode
Regigigas (come on, you know you want to)
Bell
Mewtwo
Mespirit and, though rarely, azelf
Eh, too tired to continue that, but theres plenty that OHKO him. 'Bleh bleh not likely' Yeah, but yet you can get t2 gatr engine....hmm
Can't energy trans energy in the discard.
Phail.
I've posted more then enough lists on this site, and have gotten few responces. If your going to call me out:
Pokemon (20):
4 machop dp
3 Machoke
3 machamp SF
1 machamp lvl X SF
2 baltoy
4 claydol
2 regirock LA
1 beldum LA
1 metagross LA
Energy (15):
4 call
11 fighting
Trainers (25):
4 Candy
4 bebe’s
4 Roseanne’s
1 luxury ball
1 Premier ball
3 Night Maintence
3 stark mountain
4 Felicities

So you hit 1/2 your energy every turn? Hmmmmm....And you still don't draw prize until you hit exactly 1/2. No luxury ball? Enough said. lol.
 
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There is NO WAY that Hurricane deck should be able to consistantly get a large setup by T2. All you have to search with is Bebe and Roseanne. If you go first and don't have a Baltoy on field then you can't get that T2 Claydol and you can't search for anything. My average max for this deck should be a T2 60.

The Machamp deck is alright. It seems to be more mid game oriented so meh. What Machoke do you play? I feel that the Machoke's seem to make a difference if you can't get a candy.
 
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Well, not looking for approval ^^ Nobody ever likes my lists. But I still do well, so, :3

I just can't believe you run 4 Claydol, that's so overkill.

Also, that list is half made of cards that no one is using. Only thing I'll really give you credit for here is T-tar, who has much rage for Gatr using all those powers xP, but as far as Tangrowth, not as much. True ENergy tans is goin gto give it a whole lot, but then again, depends on how far up they survive. :/ So I guess that's just debatable, I won't comment because I haven't tried that out yet.
 
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^Eh, same. :/
Nothing like consistancy. Consistancy of getting my support back after that chu goes haywire on me. :(
You said nothing outside of fire pokes could OHKO. I referenced 3? sets and definately could keep going. Fire pokes alone=a good 1/2 dozen playable cards. If you wanted decks that will beat gatr:
All cards ever printed
No word of lie. haha j/k. But my shoulder is killing me so I won't go do a search. However, when a chu deck can not only cut of your consistancy but ALSO take away your offensive power....You shouldn't play it. lol
? Not following. lol.
DawnOfXatu said:
The Machamp deck is alright. It seems to be more mid game oriented so meh. What Machoke do you play? I feel that the Machoke's seem to make a difference if you can't get a candy.
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The SF one. Both are absolutely meh. Just wish there was a machoke that was as good as one of the monfernos that have been printed (ugh, what a good stage 1 pokemon that can hit that evos).
 
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Well I mean unless you play 4 baltoy...
 
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Naw, they are just regirock/claydol bait afterwards (espically against non-chu, non-amazing spread deck), which is HUGE (as it's pretty hard to toss 2 cards away with champ sometimes).
 
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IN ANY CASE.

I know the perfect tech for Machamp <3 Do you have Redshark to test anything with me? Proxies of course >w>
 
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No I don't. I don't do online testing, as you can't get reads off of the opponet (unless you're hacking...:/).

Oh, and you better not say weavile. :/
 
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I don't see what is wrong with Weavile...not the best card and kinda a waste of space but depending on the metagame it could be quite deadly.
 
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weaviles a good tech in any deck that has 3 energy requirements and has the space, it's also nice for more damage.
 
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DawnOfXatu said:
I don't see what is wrong with Weavile...not the best card and kinda a waste of space but depending on the metagame it could be quite deadly.
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Its not a bad tech, but champ doesn't need it against those big bad ghost pokes. And theres no way you can use weavile otherwise as an energy excel. Nothing like sticking it to dusknoir X and hitting for 520....before you go bleh.
 
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