Finished Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Nerds Win

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RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

I'm not understanding these votes. I've read through the thread to find all the reasons you seem to have of accusing Safari and Chillarmy and here's what I understand:

Safariblade:
Voted for TDL, then TDL was targeted to die the next night. I still hold by the fact that this helps Safariblade's case more than it hurts it since, assuming that Safariblade tried to kill TDL, he would essentially be framing himself. I think Safariblade is smarter than that.

Next, there is that he was silenced. The three possibilities of this are that 1) he was targetted by a silencing role, 2) he was silenced due to his target (assumed to be TDL) being protected and 3) it is a side effect of his role. The first seems to be by far the most likely, and honestly that does not tell us whether Safari is a bad guy or not at all since there is no way that the silencer could have known Safari's alliance night 1. I am very doubtful that the second possibility is true since Lenny was our medic and his role says nothing about silencing people. It is possible that we have 2 doctors, but it seems very unlikely since, to my knowledge, there has never been a game with 2 town sided doctors. I don't get why everyone thinks that the last possibility, if true, incriminates Safariblade- if anything, it helps his case. If it is a side effect of his role, chances are that he has used his role. And there were no negative effects that happened night 1 except for the nerd and jock kills, and it seems extremely unlikely that te alpha nerd or alpha jock would have such a backlash to their power. That means that if being silenced is a part of Safari's role, there is a very large chance that Safari's role is good.

As for Chillarmy-I have yet to see any evidence at all of why Chillarmy is suspicious. DNA claims that he was quick to defend Safariblade, but as far as I can tell all he suggested is that we wait until we have more evidence for or against Safariblade, which seems like a perfectly logical suggestion to me.

What I've really been wondering is why DNA and Meaty were so quick to vote. With 3-4 days left before we need a lynch, the only thing that hastily voting accomplishes is creating a bandwagon. I'm not saying for sure that Meaty and DNA are nerds/jocks but I am very suspicious of both of them, especially because of how quick they were to defend each other (far more so than Chillarmy defending Safariblade).
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

^ I've also been suspicious of Meaty...
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Reading up on stuff. I've been so busy. x_x

I agree with you, Dark Void, that safariblade is smart enough to not kill TDL during the night after he voted for him on Day 1. Something else is going on with that regard.

Blah237 said:
*Ahem*, did anyone notice ESP's post at the beginning? He said he wanted to kill the trend by not killing Lenny. Since Lenny was killed, I have bad felling that ESP was behind it and that post will let him get away with killing Lenny.

How could I miss this post? 0_o Jesus. That's a _very_ good observation. Combine that with the fact that ESP mentioned killing TDL on Day 1 and you have some pretty shaky stuff...

dmaster out.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

So ESP is now a suspect, that's a good point about TDL. Also, I was reading over some previous posts too, and I realized lynching Meaty is stupid since PMJ can only kill someone that has accused him of something. If we think Meaty is a werewolf, we can let PMJ handle that.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Meh. I'm not sure how I would feel about PMJ using his once a time ability to kill Meaty. I mean, if he wants to, it's his decision. It might be useful for the Seer to look into Meaty instead...that becomes a totally different story then.

dmaster out.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

As far as I can tell, PMJ can only use his ability on Meaty because Meaty was the only one who ever really accused him of anything.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Oh true, I forgot about that part. Yeah, it's definitely a possibility. I was just thinking if PMJ didn't want to kill him, per say, Seer is another option.

dmaster out.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

I hope the seer can convince everyone else of who Meaty is without revealing he/she is the seer. (If the seer decides to "see" Meaty, that is.)
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

dmaster said:
Combine that with the fact that ESP mentioned killing TDL on Day 1 and you have some pretty shaky stuff...

dmaster out.

lmao, I joked about killing TDL on day 1 because his singing was annoying. and it was day 1, how could I have even possibly had any clue what his role was like? Unless you're saying my joke at a shot in the dark is suspicious, I'm not understanding how this is any sort of a big deal.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

I'm saying that your "joke" did end with TDL being targeted the immediately following night. You can't deny that that is true.

For all I know, you could have "joked" about Lenny too, but he ended up _dead_. I'm tired of all this "oh well Day 1 was a shot in the dark, no reason to look in to anything" argument. There is something going on here, but I won't vote for anyone yet until more substantial events have unfolded.

dmaster out.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Okay, let me post my complete defence. It may sound a bit confusing, but try to hear me out.

Back in Pokebeach Mafia hosted by mlouden03, the mafia had both a killer and a silencer. I'm thinking that either the jocks or the nerds saw that safariblade voted for TDL as a light-hearted joke, and played on that. Their alpha attempted to kill TDL, while one of their grunts silenced safariblade so he couldn't post a defence. So now we suspect and can potentially lynch safariblade and he has no way to defend himself. If anything, we could give him a night and let him defend himself tomorrow.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

I don't plan on using either of my abilities because:

1) the "I can kill my accusers" ability would have been pretty cool if everyone didn't know about it. Now that they do, there's no point (especially if Meaty winds up dead) since everyone will instantly suspect me of killing anyone who has previous suspect me.

2) Suiciding myself would be dumb. I never get to play werewolf, so obviously the best way for me to play would be to kill myself! Yeah, great plan.

So, just saying, for the record, I have no intention of using either ability.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

The 2nd role is totally dumb, I agree PMJ. Even if you didn't really like playing WW like you do, why kill yourself? You don't even get to win that way. Unless you had someone to revive you, but that person is dead, totally killing those plans (no pun intended).
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

I don't think PMJ is really allowed to kill me anymore now that I am no longer suspicious and I know that he is innocent, just like everyone else... And for the record, DNA was suspicious of PMJ earlier in the game as well.

As for why I voted so quickly, well I more or less did it because I know I can always change my vote, and I figured "Hey, why not, if he's the only one I find suspicious." Of course, Chillarmy, ESP and others are starting to seem suspicious as well.

We also need to consider the possibility that the events of TDL being targetted, TDL being saved, and safariblade being silenced might all have been coincidences not all planned by any specific person. There could be as many as 3 different roles being used there.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Meaty, stop hitting the edit button as soon as you post.

Since it was accidental, I'll let it slide.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Another theory for the safariblade thing is that he has the protecting role, with the consequence being he can't post the next day. He posted a joke about killing TDL, and thought that somebody would frame him by going after him. So, he protected TDL (although it could have been for a simpler reason, like for no reason at all). Combine this with the fact that he would be framing himself by killing TDL, and you have a reasonable case for an innocent safariblade.

Also, let me get this straight: I am in no way saying sb is not guilty, because he could very well be a wolf. He is more suspicious than the rest, that's for sure... but that doesn't mean much.

And I agree with DV, the way Meaty and DNA jumped Chill for saying something reasonable was odd, to say the least. Although this isn't nearly enough for a lynch imo, it's definitely odd... but I suppose Meaty makes sense by doing it because you can always change it.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Guys, did anyone see my post before? Safari and ESP are too smart than to just announce a kill. That's just plain stupid. So then what are they doing instead? Making a lame joke. This is what the jocks wanted, to take advantage of a lame joke to try and get a n extra kill from the lynch. I feel Meaty is suspicious for starting the bandwagon, very early at that.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Yeah sorry about that.... I just have a natural inclination to add a few words or fix spelling erros after I make posts, but no harm done if it's done instantly and it didn't really change anything I said, right?

I guess Mizublue has an interesting point in safariblade protecting TDL, that would be sort of a smart/funny thing to do.
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

So, people who have been suspected:

Me - I made a perfectly logical theory that was apparently too quick and fragented... kay
Meaty - Voting quickly and jumping on me for reasons above
DNA - see Meaty
safariblade - He made a lame joke at TDL, who was targetted that night... and was silenced . Would safariblade really be that stupid guys?
ESP - See safariblade

I personally think our path is fairly clear... Thoughts? Did I forget someone? :S
 
RE: Werewolf XI "Revenge of the Nerds" - Day 2 End 11/22/2011 7AM GMT+8

Chillarmy said:
So, people who have been suspected:

Me - I made a perfectly logical theory that was apparently too quick and fragented... kay
Meaty - Voting quickly and jumping on me for reasons above
DNA - see Meaty
safariblade - He made a lame joke at TDL, who was targetted that night... and was silenced . Would safariblade really be that stupid guys?
ESP - See safariblade

I personally think our path is fairly clear... Thoughts? Did I forget someone? :S

That reason that you put on yourself to defend yourself applies to me and DNA too, really. It all depends on how you look at it. Again, I wouldn't have voted so soon if it wasn't for the ability to change votes.

If I was guilty and trying to divert attention from myself, do you really think that I would have instantly spoke and accused someone? I pretty much accused safariblade because he was my first thought, and I highly doubt that the whole thing was a plot to frame safariblade, safariblade's silencing was more than likely either a result of failure to kill TDL, or else a side effect of his possibly dangerous role, or he was just a rather random target of someone else's role.

It's also possible that safari and ESP really were stupid/smart enough to kill the people they voted for.
 
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