GG Teapot.
I think the winners should be only the town people who survived.
I think the winners should be only the town people who survived.
Finished Werewolf XIV: The Legend of Canton Falls. Town wins!
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I am still loling at my double failed shot on night 2
For the second time, I ultimately win the game for the townies. Granted, not as decisively, but legit just the same. May be even more legit as I didn't have a "broken"(for the complainers) role this time. BUT YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Eat dat' Teal.
For anyone who cares, I was everyone's favorite Grandpa. Yes, I was a roleblocker, but I was also half priest. The second half never got any use.
I also won this game even though I have dementia.
Eat dat' Teal.
For anyone who cares, I was everyone's favorite Grandpa. Yes, I was a roleblocker, but I was also half priest. The second half never got any use.
I also won this game even though I have dementia.
BTW Hypnotic, I am flattered that you think I was the best werewolf player left aside from you, but I honestly am not that good. I played werewolf 2 and 3 but then not again until like 2 games ago.
(hooray for username change :F)
(hooray for username change :F)
There were six players left.
Bisharp and Puff are pretty new at this.
It'd be unfair to rate myself.
Mark hasn't really shined much.
I say you and Guy are pretty close, so I probably could have swayed the other way. But still, complements are pretty.
Bisharp and Puff are pretty new at this.
It'd be unfair to rate myself.
Mark hasn't really shined much.
I say you and Guy are pretty close, so I probably could have swayed the other way. But still, complements are pretty.
Just be thankful DNA didn't get it.
So teapot, who did you try to kill last night?
You copy my tactics at the eleventh hour and you still lost.
Scum.
Bag.
TEAPOT!!!
Well, at least you loser townies learned something - never trust anyone who lays all his cards out on the table like that. I'm just disappointed it took you that long to figure it out.
Ah well, I got a few nights of trolling in while I was still alive, so I definitely enjoyed myself.
DNA you're just mad because I blew your brains out. Twice. <3
EDIT: And I tried to shoot bisharp37. Which just proves how bad I am. Any smart player would have shot Hypnotic the instant they figured out he was a roleblocker.
also I had the amulet for the next night :|
EDIT: And I tried to shoot bisharp37. Which just proves how bad I am. Any smart player would have shot Hypnotic the instant they figured out he was a roleblocker.
also I had the amulet for the next night :|
Of course I'm mad at that; why wouldn't I be?
I should have just passed my Creepy Doll to someone the most likely to die and bail out ASAP, but then I wouldn't have gotten the chance to troll as often as possible.
Still, you're no fun.
Oh yeah, and whoever sent the old geezer(me) the Bouquet on Night 1, was doomed from the start, because I would've taken it to the grave.
Cept, I never needed a grave.
Cept, I never needed a grave.
I'm surprised you never tried to shoot me. Would it have been too suspicious?
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Well, it's finally over. Overall I was less pleased with this game than I was with WW12, but that's more because of things I did (or didn't do...) than what you guys did.
This game was, by and large, an experiment. I tested a few new roles, new mechanics, no straight seers, and tried hosting the largest game this site has ever seen.
I don't know about you guys, but I think that 43 is an absurd number of players. As arbitrary as 32 seems, it's kind of a good number. It took me a long time to figure out not only 43 different roles, but all the Items as well (more on that later). The game also really lost a lot of steam around Day 9 and 10 (when we had about a dozen players left, the difference between most games and this one), so take it from me, hosts - 32 seems to be an okay number.
Here is everyone's role and my thoughts on same. Role usage is included here. Shortcuts you will see are:
D/N# = Day/Night #
A# [name]= Ability # [used on name] (for players with only one ability that can be used, you will not see A#; for players who do not choose the target of their ability, you will not see a name)
NA = No Action (only if they submitted No Action; will not be shown if they did not submit any action)
So if you see (color used only for emphasis) N1A1 PMJ, NAN2, N4A3 WPM, that would mean that player:
- used Ability 1 on Night 1 on PMJ
- submitted No Action Night 2
- did not submit a PM for Night 3
- used Ability 3 on Night 4 on WPM
K? kgo.
1. Zyflair -> Reshiwott
Ability usage (Zyflair): N1NA, N2 DNA, N3 ESP, N4 ComfortEagle
Ability usage (Reshiwott): N6 Teal, N8 Teal
Zyflair did okay despite protecting two non-town players. It was pretty early on so it was a forgivable mistake. Zyflair was replaced at his request, so that's always cool. Reshiwott did his best to protect Teal (a wise decision), but his opponents were one step ahead of him. Well played, you two.
2. One Approved
Ability usage: N1 Chillarmy, N2 Infinity, N2 DNA, N3 DNA, N4 ESP, N6 sillykyle, N7 superpokemon67, N8 The Yoshi, N9 Teal, N10 ShadowLugia, N11 Spammy, N12 Bisharp37
After DNA died, I was rooting for One Approved to win it all. Teapot made some pretty lulzy shots:
- He got the Amulet on Night 2, but both of his shots were blocked (Infinity was protected by dmaster (and Roari, actually, but dmaster's role had priority) and DNA was protected by Zyflair)
- He shot and killed almost every seer-like role the town had - not that mattered to the wolves because...
- He shot two out of six werewolves: ESP on Night 4 and The Yoshi on Night 8
Unfortunately, at the end of the game there were too many cleared townies and they scouted him out by process of elimination. It took two days to do, but the numbers were against him. Still, he fought hard and he's my personal MVP for this game.
3. DNA
Ability usage: N1A1 Zyflair, N1A1 Meaty, N1A3 Lucky Fire, N2A2 Lucky Fire (2), N2A3 Nature's Profit, N3A1 One Approved, N3A1 Shocker, N3A4 Shocker, N3A4 Argetlam, N3A4 Meaty
I laughed so much when I saw that DNA--Pokebeach's resident troll--drew this role. Of course, this was also bad because as much as I wanted him to win, it would be impossible since he was, as scum, guilty of helping the town right into their graves in WW12. It's because of him that helpful players are suspected as scum late game. Sure enough, he got barely any air time before Teapot shot him.
Of course, after DNA died and before he learned that it was Teapot who'd shot him, we got this gem in the chat:
[19:00:46] <DNA> teapot
[19:00:47] <DNA> avenge me
lolololololololol gg DNA
4. dmaster
Ability usage: N1A0 Infinity, N2A1
Poor, poor dmaster, can't survive more than two nights in a WW game. As far as his role went, he did his job; predicted when his Chosen would die and used his ability to successfully protect him. Sadly, despite this, dmaster lost the game in the end.
5. ComfortEagle
Ability usage: N1 DNA (Toy Robot), N2 Nature's Profit (Shoddy Bomb), N3 ESP (Fishy Shield), N4 HypnoticLuxray (Toy Robot), N6 ShadowLugia (Shoddy Bomb), N7 Teal (Fishy Shield)
Nature's Profit chose to throw the bomb at Lucky Fire; it stayed intact, and she chose to throw it back. It exploded, and that was the end of him :]
Props to HypnoticLuxray for using the Toy Robot to out Dark Void as a werewolf. That said, his other ability's name was "Turncoat" so DV was pretty much screwed either way :x
ShadowLugia tossed the bomb back at TDL, not knowing it was TDL who had given it to him, lol. This bomb broke, but it wasn't that big a deal since TDL was a derp and got himself modkilled. Oh well!
There was a hidden mechanic that didn't get any use because by the time TDL died, de had already found his lover and unlocked the ability that fixed the Lynch Machine if it were to break. The way it worked was that every night the Lynch Machine was broken, there was a hidden chance it would malfunction and randomly lynch a living player. This chance would increase by a set percentage every day (randomly, with a bias towards the lower end). Stupid TDL living forever.
6. Riskbreakers
Ability usage: N1 DNA, N1 ComfortEagle, N2 Infinity, N2 Lucky Fire
So people claimed in WW12 that I said I wasn't going to make a jester role. I don't know where I said that, but if you show me a quote I won't be surprised - even after my attempts at balancing the role by preventing him from claiming scum or indie, I failed. A note to every host after me: don't use jester. The role is too easy to win with. All you have to do is not post, or post just enough to stay in the game. Defend anyone and everyone so you get looked at when one of them flips scum. No one should be able to win that easily. Don't use this role.
7. ESP
Ability usage: N1 Nengeni, Shocker; N2 alexmf, Riskbreakers; N3 Blob55, Lucky Fire; N4 Teal, King Arceus
Right, first: it is "Price" of Deceit, not "Prince." I don't know why no one could get that right. ESP mainly provided morale to the scum team; after hearing he was on their side, they figured they were gonna win. He caused a bit of trouble with his ability, which was all I could really ask.
And then he was shot.
8. Cinesra
Ability usage: N1A2, N2A2, N3A2, N4A2
Stupid Cinesra not using Swap Meet at all and completely squandering Sound Off.
9. Dark Void
This was another role I wanted to test out - someone who would join the scum team if they were to be killed. Fortunately, it happened. Unfortunately, his abilities were investigated the same night, and he was lynched the next day. u mad, Dark Void? Cause I am. Just a little.
10. Spammy
Ability usage: D1NA, D2NA, D3A0, N3A1, N4A1, N6A1, N6A1, N7A1, N8A1, N10A1, N10A1
Compiled suspect list:
This is the first change I made to the traditional seer role. Learning a player's alignment straight away is incredibly powerful. This twist on the seer role has the chance to hit big, but since you can't change the order of the players, it also has the chance to fail hard if the people you investigate die before you can investigate them. This role also has the distinction of seeing through Blui129's role cover, but he was so far down the list that in the end it didn't matter. A lot of his investigations were dead draws, which hurt because he survived for a really long time.
11. superpokemon67
Ability usage: N1A1 ComfortEagle, Glace; N2A1 alexmf2, ComfortEagle; N3A1 Lucky Fire, DNA; N4A1 Infinity, Teal; N6A1 ComfortEagle, Reshiwott; N6A2 Puff, Mokoko; N7A1 Puff, ShadowLugia; N7A2 ComfortEagle, Cinesra
This was my twist on the public role reveal role. It would reveal roles but only if the player died. The test here was in the second ability, which I decided would be too powerful to be availble early on. Sadly, it only got two uses before superpokemon67 was died, and the first dream was about Mokoko so there was no result. Oh well.
12. Teal
Ability usage: N1 Eevee, N2 Blob55, N3 Eevee, N6 Blob55, N9NA
A candidate for Town-aligned MVP, Teal was a great help to the town - a complete 180 from his behavior in WW12, where he tried to kill everyone (and almost succeeded; he cut the game by about four Days). The scum were wiped out by the time people started noticed Teal was still alive so late in the game, so Teapot had to put him out of his misery. Did the scum figure there were bigger fish to fry? Who knows.
13. Glace
Ability usage: D2A3 Nature's Profit
Aaaand that's it. That is all Glace did. Didn't even send a kill on Night 1. Infinity hit yes on his role so Glace's reign as alpha wolf was pretty short-lived. He was lynched Day 2 so there ain't much else to say here.
14. Bisharp37
> create role that works best when dead
> never dies
> okay.jpg
Talk about disappointment. Bisharp didn't really draw much attention to himself at all so he didn't get much use out of Pinkie Sense, either.
15. Zorua
Ability usage: N1 Shocker, N2 Infinity
Zorua died, from Surgery Roulette, at the end of Day 2. This was probably the worst possible way he could have gone, and the fact that he died early only added insult to injury. This was a second twist I had on the seer role. It had the potential to be powerful - if they had unlocked their masonry, they would have become a powerful force for the town (or themselves). Unfortunately, Zorua died and Takeshi is incompetent, so what can you do?
16. HypnoticLuxray
Ability usage: N2A1 DNA, N4A1 N6A1 TheGuy, N7A2 The Yoshi, N8A1 Teal, N9A2 ShadowLugia, N10A1 Spammy, N12A1 One Approved
HL was kinda weird not because of his abilities, but simply because once he got the Bouquet from The Yoshi N1, he held onto it for the entire game. I never understood why. Once The Yoshi died, he didn't even try to pass it to the shooter or whatever. Weird.
17. TheGuy
Ability usage: N1, N2, N3, N6, N7, N8, N9, N10
At least he used the role to communicate with the town. He pretty much stopped after all the scum were dead, though.
18. King Piplup
Tracey's nightmares return for another game and they still do nothing! This is a stupid role and I won't be using it again. I suggest no one else does, either.
19. Nengeni
Ability usage: N1A0 no one, N2A0 Nature's Profit
Another role I debuted in this game. I think Nengeni could have won with this if he'd lived longer, but the wolves took him out before he could really get any mileage out of it. Hosts: be careful about using the Sensor role - it's ridiculously powerful.
20. Eevee
I would say Eevee played poorly this game, but that would imply she actually played; not only did she not say anything about being able to fix Items (which is a huge reason why many of them didn't see the light of day), she hardly posted at all and I ended up modkilling her. She had a very important role and it seriously upset me to see her all but ignore it, especially since Items were a new mechanic that needed testing. Hosts: Beware of letting Eevee join your games. I would honestly advise against it.
21. Chariblaze
Ability usage: D2 Lucky Fire, D6 Blah
I knew that this would be either a really strong town role or a really weak one depending on who was being stalked. Chariblaze chose Lucky Fire as his first stalking victim, and had she actually made use of her role, he might have gotten a little use out of his.
When she died, Blah convinced Chariblaze to target him. Probably the only thing Blah did right with his role.
22. Mokoko
The Ascetic part didn't come into play until superpokemon67 tried making Teal have a dream about Mokoko. This role might get more usage out of a smaller game (or if more people had it). This role was completely vanilla otherwise and I would suggest if you give someone an Ascetic modifier, give them other abilities too. Make their immunity worth having.
23. ShadowLugia
Ability usage: N1 ComfortEagle, N2 DNA, N3 Zyflair, N6 Blui129, N8 The Yoshi, N9 Teal
This was another twist I decided to add - the paranoid cop. Unfortunately, the reveal of the Incriminate ability kind of cheapened this role, since everyone figured that the only reason ShadowLugia was getting so many scum hits was that they were also Incriminated. Kecleon-X lived for a long time, so unfortunately this theory had a lot of merit.
SL also never investigated anyone Night 10 (the night Kecleon-X died), which is unfortunate because Roari saved him from getting shot and he could have gotten more investigations out. I really did not want to modkill him... oh well.
24. Puff
Puff's role was spilled to everyone when superpokemon67 died. As a result, he was cleared as Town and thus never got to shoot. Had he not been, things may have been different.
25. Shocker
Bonus abilities learned:
Ability usage: N4NA
This was a neat ability that ended up causing some discomfort for the town (and sort of ruining ShadowLugia's role by legitimizing all of his scum hits). It also would have been better served in a smaller game.
26. alexmf2 -> sillykyle
Ability usage (alexmf2): N1 HypnoticLuxray, N2 DNA
Ability usage (sillykyle): N3 Nengeni, N6 Glace
This role suffered from also being in a large game; there needed to be either more Items, less players, or both. sillykle did use this to steal the Trader's List from Negneni's corpse; when he tried stealing the item on Glace's dead body (a bomb), he had to pass the List off first. But since he tried passing it to HypnoticLuxray (who was holding the Bouquet like it was his lifeline), his pass failed, so his theft failed. Glace's body exploded the next Day, so HypnoticLuxray actually saved sillykyle's life. :3
27. King Arceus
Ability usage: N2A1 Lucky Fire, N3A1 Eevee, N6A1 Rusticks, N8A2
Early on, de tried finding a couple people, but basically stopped until Rusticks went out and screamed for de to find him. He stopped the Lynch Machine from malfunctioning (a cool mechanic that didn't get any use because of the timing of TDL's death; see his role for more info). One Approved tried framing him as the shooter, but that didn't work out very well.
28. Blui129
Ability usage: N1NA, N2NA, N4NA, N8NA, N9 Zorua
This was supposed to be a really fun role, but Blui took advantage of something I overlooked (copying indie roles) and used it to win instantly. The point was to have a player choose which team he wanted to be on. I had no idea what he was planning since many good roles were ripe for the picking, but he decided to wait until Night 9 and copy Zorua's role. He survived Surgery Roulette and won instantly on Day 10. Why he waited so long is beyond me.
29. Infinity
Ability usage: N1 Glace, N2 Teal, N4 King Piplup, N6 ShadowLugia
This role I actually got from Sean (in the chat room). When I was designing the game and asking for Item suggestions, he came up with two - a dart and a magic 8-ball. I didn't really see how a dart would work as an Item since I wanted it to be something a player could use and still keep. Instead of making the magic 8-ball an Item, I used it instead of this role's original abilities. This way, there was another seer, but it wasn't guaranteed.
The role worked exactly like a magic 8-ball does: You ask it a question, shake it, and your answer is revealed. Typical magic 8-balls have 20 different answers - 10 positive, 5 negative, and 5 noncommittal. I didn't want there to be a bias towards any end, so I trimmed the positive answers down to five. Since noncommittal answers don't really help for the purposes of this game, I added hidden effects to each one. One of them made the answer tomorrow always yes, one of them made the answer tomorrow always no, two of them would remove the noncommittal responses tomorrow, and one of them simply had no effect.
Infinity had really bad luck with this role. The only yes answer he got was from his Night 1 investigation of Glace. Night 2 he got a noncommittal response which would have removed them all the next night, but his Night 3 usage was submitted past deadline. Night 4 he got another noncommittal response, but he got the one that made the next answer always no, so when he investigated ShadowLugia Night 6 (remember there was no Night 5), he got nothing. The town got pretty upset with him since he claimed seer and got almost no results, so lulz
30. Nature's Profit
Ability usage: N1 (a rope), N2 (an axe)
Prayer effects:
This was a role that was sadly cut short. NP was the victim of the bomb that was given to him by TDL; it didn't explode when he threw it at Lucky Fire, and when she threw it back at him, it blew up. lulz.
The town only got a small taste of this role, on Day 2. When NP prayed on Night 2, he was role blocked by PMysterious, so it never came into effect. I would definitely bring this role back for future games.
31. Non Sequitur -> doublenikesocks
Ability usage (Non Sequitur): N1 Teal
Ability usage (doublenikesocks): N6 DNA
I decided to add a second thief just because there were so many players, but neither of these guys really even tried to steal anything (Teal did get his Item stolen though, so weeeee).
32. Lucky Fire
Lucky Fire screwed this role up. It was a really fun role but the one time she used it, she didn't ask about her target's role PM, so it was never sent. Way to go. >:[
33. Blob55
Ability usage: N1A1 Bisharp37, N1A2 Teal, N2A1 Bisharp37, N2A2 Infinity, N3A1 DNA, N3A2 Zyflair, N6A1 Mokoko
The combination of Kronar and Gale could have proven themselves a major threat for the wolves, but thanks to some bad luck, Zorua (Gale) died extremely early and Takeshi didn't really have much chance to make use of Bloody Sacrifice. That said, this role is all but worthless if Gale is dead since I never gave this role an out if it happened. In hindsight, I honestly didn't expect Gale to die so early. I even made Bloody Sacrifice easy enough to unlock. Unfortunately, after she realized that scanning future players was useless, Takeshi basically stopped playing about halfway into the game and she was crushed by the hand of Almighty Black God for it. I have to take partial blame for this because I should have revealed that there was a possibility that dead players' roles might come back. With her only win condition rendered unfulfillable, I can sort of understand losing the motivation to play.
It is noteworthy that she and Zorua both submitted Infinity's name on Night 2 for their teamwork scan ability (without having been masons), but that's the only noteworthy thing either of them accomplished.
34. Kecleon-X
Ability usage: N2 Lucky Fire, Shocker, Nature's Profit
Kecleon-X's sole usage of his Incriminate ability probably caused the most chaos the town experienced. Targeting Shocker with it gave him access to the ability; once Shocker blabbed its existence to the town, no wolf reveals could be completely trusted as long as Kecleon-X lived. For reasons unknown, ShadowLugia stopped submitting his night action the night after Kecleon-X was lynched. This kinda made me mad bro since the whole reason I added a paranoid seer was to screw with the town. Jerk.
Amusing note: As the sole surviving wolf, Kecleon-X received the killing role on Day 9, after The Yoshi was shot by Teapot the night before. Kecleon-X was lynched that same Day, making him the record holder for shortest lived alpha wolf.
35. Porygon-X
There isn't much to say here. It functions best if it gets hit early, and it was hit Night 3 when ESP convinced his alpha to kill Porygon-X instead of Shocker. The 70% kill went through and the wolves were down one.
36. Rusticks
Considering that both Rusticks and King Arceus lived to the end of the game, this had the potential to be a powerful weapon for the town. It's this doublevoting ability that got Blah lynched on Day 11. Unfortunately Rusticks was MIA for the end of the game and he wound up modkilled. Too bad; him and de could have run the town through the power of their votes alone.
37. Blah
Ability usage: N1 Dark Void, N3 Teal, N4 TDL, N6 Chariblaze, N7 HypnoticLuxray, N8 Bisharp37, N9 King Arceus, N9 Blui129
Blah used this role all wrong.
If your win condition involves people visiting you, you should be trying to get people to visit you in the night. Counterclaiming is a great way to do that. A situation that comes readily to mind is when King Arceus mentioned looking for someone. Had Blah piped up right away, KA might have gone to him before Rusticks. If that had happened, the Lynch Machine never would have been fixed and who knows how the game could have turned out.
Once it was made clear that Zyflair was priest, Blah could have claimed seer and asked for his protection.
He did kind of do it right when he made a fake role claim during Day 6, but by then people were already a bit skeptical of his intentions; when Day 7 rolled around and Chariblaze wound up dead, it cemented his status as a dangerous indie and the town made sure to steer clear of him for the rest of the game.
There were more missed opportunities but I never made specific note of them. Counterclaiming Rusticks was the biggest one that I took notice of.
38. PMysterious
Ability usage: D1A2, N2A1 Nature's Profit
Sean should be honored but instead he'll probably just be butthurt and qq moar.
Newcomer PMysterious got a little out of his ability; he managed to shake up the town on the very first day when he locked the votes. He met an untimely end Night 3 when he was revenge killed by Porygon-X, which is a shame. The wolves died off way too quickly (this is entirely Teapot's fault).
39. Meaty
Ability usage: D3
After Meaty used his ability to lynch Riskbreakers on Day 3, he pretty much fell off the game radar entirely. He didn't do much past Day 3 anyway and was just another modkilled player in the end.
40. corn bread
I'll be honest, I was a little disappointed. I was anxious to see how corn bread would handle himself this game, especially after his performance in WW12. Unfortunately, realizing he was worth more to the town dead than alive (which wasn't exactly true), he volunteered himself for Day 1's lynch. This cleared Chillarmy (later Argetlam) as town, but neither Chillarmy nor Argetlam were terribly active. It's a shame. Oh well. corn bread is still an up-and-coming rookie and you should be watchful for him in future games.
41. Chillarmy -> Argetlam
Ability usage (Chillarmy): N1NA, N2
Ability usage (Argetlam): N3, N8
This role was also kind of an experiment, but its effectiveness relied on the messages submitted to it. Both TheGuy and Cinesra sent messages in, and I think only Chillarmy vetoed one of TheGuy's messages once. Cinesra wasted his role by trolling so whatever. This is kind of a hard role to keep track of because it requires the editor-in-chief to be online a lot so he can approve the messages in a timely manner. It also requires me to actually send the messages to the editor-in-chief, but that's neither here nor there.
42. The Yoshi
This could have been a strong role for the wolves, had any of them ever possessed any Items. The only mileage The Yoshi got out of this role is learning that HypnoticLuxray kept the Bouquet for pretty much the entire game. The Yoshi got the Dirty Magazine later on, but he was shot by Teapot before he could pass it on. After Glace's outing as scum, The Yoshi picked up the alpha role and performed admirably enough.
This game was, by and large, an experiment. I tested a few new roles, new mechanics, no straight seers, and tried hosting the largest game this site has ever seen.
I don't know about you guys, but I think that 43 is an absurd number of players. As arbitrary as 32 seems, it's kind of a good number. It took me a long time to figure out not only 43 different roles, but all the Items as well (more on that later). The game also really lost a lot of steam around Day 9 and 10 (when we had about a dozen players left, the difference between most games and this one), so take it from me, hosts - 32 seems to be an okay number.
Here is everyone's role and my thoughts on same. Role usage is included here. Shortcuts you will see are:
D/N# = Day/Night #
A# [name]= Ability # [used on name] (for players with only one ability that can be used, you will not see A#; for players who do not choose the target of their ability, you will not see a name)
NA = No Action (only if they submitted No Action; will not be shown if they did not submit any action)
So if you see (color used only for emphasis) N1A1 PMJ, NAN2, N4A3 WPM, that would mean that player:
- used Ability 1 on Night 1 on PMJ
- submitted No Action Night 2
- did not submit a PM for Night 3
- used Ability 3 on Night 4 on WPM
K? kgo.
1. Zyflair -> Reshiwott
Ability usage (Zyflair): N1NA, N2 DNA, N3 ESP, N4 ComfortEagle
Ability usage (Reshiwott): N6 Teal, N8 Teal
Zyflair did okay despite protecting two non-town players. It was pretty early on so it was a forgivable mistake. Zyflair was replaced at his request, so that's always cool. Reshiwott did his best to protect Teal (a wise decision), but his opponents were one step ahead of him. Well played, you two.
Ability usage: N1 Chillarmy, N2 Infinity, N2 DNA, N3 DNA, N4 ESP, N6 sillykyle, N7 superpokemon67, N8 The Yoshi, N9 Teal, N10 ShadowLugia, N11 Spammy, N12 Bisharp37
After DNA died, I was rooting for One Approved to win it all. Teapot made some pretty lulzy shots:
- He got the Amulet on Night 2, but both of his shots were blocked (Infinity was protected by dmaster (and Roari, actually, but dmaster's role had priority) and DNA was protected by Zyflair)
- He shot and killed almost every seer-like role the town had - not that mattered to the wolves because...
- He shot two out of six werewolves: ESP on Night 4 and The Yoshi on Night 8
Unfortunately, at the end of the game there were too many cleared townies and they scouted him out by process of elimination. It took two days to do, but the numbers were against him. Still, he fought hard and he's my personal MVP for this game.
Ability usage: N1A1 Zyflair, N1A1 Meaty, N1A3 Lucky Fire, N2A2 Lucky Fire (2), N2A3 Nature's Profit, N3A1 One Approved, N3A1 Shocker, N3A4 Shocker, N3A4 Argetlam, N3A4 Meaty
I laughed so much when I saw that DNA--Pokebeach's resident troll--drew this role. Of course, this was also bad because as much as I wanted him to win, it would be impossible since he was, as scum, guilty of helping the town right into their graves in WW12. It's because of him that helpful players are suspected as scum late game. Sure enough, he got barely any air time before Teapot shot him.
Of course, after DNA died and before he learned that it was Teapot who'd shot him, we got this gem in the chat:
[19:00:46] <DNA> teapot
[19:00:47] <DNA> avenge me
lolololololololol gg DNA
Ability usage: N1A0 Infinity, N2A1
Poor, poor dmaster, can't survive more than two nights in a WW game. As far as his role went, he did his job; predicted when his Chosen would die and used his ability to successfully protect him. Sadly, despite this, dmaster lost the game in the end.
Ability usage: N1 DNA (Toy Robot), N2 Nature's Profit (Shoddy Bomb), N3 ESP (Fishy Shield), N4 HypnoticLuxray (Toy Robot), N6 ShadowLugia (Shoddy Bomb), N7 Teal (Fishy Shield)
Nature's Profit chose to throw the bomb at Lucky Fire; it stayed intact, and she chose to throw it back. It exploded, and that was the end of him :]
Props to HypnoticLuxray for using the Toy Robot to out Dark Void as a werewolf. That said, his other ability's name was "Turncoat" so DV was pretty much screwed either way :x
ShadowLugia tossed the bomb back at TDL, not knowing it was TDL who had given it to him, lol. This bomb broke, but it wasn't that big a deal since TDL was a derp and got himself modkilled. Oh well!
There was a hidden mechanic that didn't get any use because by the time TDL died, de had already found his lover and unlocked the ability that fixed the Lynch Machine if it were to break. The way it worked was that every night the Lynch Machine was broken, there was a hidden chance it would malfunction and randomly lynch a living player. This chance would increase by a set percentage every day (randomly, with a bias towards the lower end). Stupid TDL living forever.
Ability usage: N1 DNA, N1 ComfortEagle, N2 Infinity, N2 Lucky Fire
So people claimed in WW12 that I said I wasn't going to make a jester role. I don't know where I said that, but if you show me a quote I won't be surprised - even after my attempts at balancing the role by preventing him from claiming scum or indie, I failed. A note to every host after me: don't use jester. The role is too easy to win with. All you have to do is not post, or post just enough to stay in the game. Defend anyone and everyone so you get looked at when one of them flips scum. No one should be able to win that easily. Don't use this role.
Ability usage: N1 Nengeni, Shocker; N2 alexmf, Riskbreakers; N3 Blob55, Lucky Fire; N4 Teal, King Arceus
Right, first: it is "Price" of Deceit, not "Prince." I don't know why no one could get that right. ESP mainly provided morale to the scum team; after hearing he was on their side, they figured they were gonna win. He caused a bit of trouble with his ability, which was all I could really ask.
And then he was shot.
Ability usage: N1A2, N2A2, N3A2, N4A2
Stupid Cinesra not using Swap Meet at all and completely squandering Sound Off.
This was another role I wanted to test out - someone who would join the scum team if they were to be killed. Fortunately, it happened. Unfortunately, his abilities were investigated the same night, and he was lynched the next day. u mad, Dark Void? Cause I am. Just a little.
Ability usage: D1NA, D2NA, D3A0, N3A1, N4A1, N6A1, N6A1, N7A1, N8A1, N10A1, N10A1
Compiled suspect list:
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1. Deus: Nightmare Autarch
2. Blob55
3. Lucky Fire
4. ComfortEagle
5. Riskbreakers
6. Rusticks
7. Shocker
8. Bisharp37
9. Dark Void
10. King Arceus
11. Teal
12. Cinesra
13. Zorua
14. HypnoticLuxray
15. TheGuy
16. King Piplup
17. Eevee
18. Chariblaze
19. Mokoko
20. ShadowLugia
21. Puff
22. Zyflair
23. sillykyle
24. superpokemon67
25. Blui129
26. Infinity
27. Non Sequitur
28. Roari
29. One Approved
30. Kecleon-X
31. Porygon-X
32. ESP
33. Blah
34. PMysterious
35. Meaty
36. Argetlam
37. The Yoshi
38. SpammyThis is the first change I made to the traditional seer role. Learning a player's alignment straight away is incredibly powerful. This twist on the seer role has the chance to hit big, but since you can't change the order of the players, it also has the chance to fail hard if the people you investigate die before you can investigate them. This role also has the distinction of seeing through Blui129's role cover, but he was so far down the list that in the end it didn't matter. A lot of his investigations were dead draws, which hurt because he survived for a really long time.
Ability usage: N1A1 ComfortEagle, Glace; N2A1 alexmf2, ComfortEagle; N3A1 Lucky Fire, DNA; N4A1 Infinity, Teal; N6A1 ComfortEagle, Reshiwott; N6A2 Puff, Mokoko; N7A1 Puff, ShadowLugia; N7A2 ComfortEagle, Cinesra
This was my twist on the public role reveal role. It would reveal roles but only if the player died. The test here was in the second ability, which I decided would be too powerful to be availble early on. Sadly, it only got two uses before superpokemon67 was died, and the first dream was about Mokoko so there was no result. Oh well.
Ability usage: N1 Eevee, N2 Blob55, N3 Eevee, N6 Blob55, N9NA
A candidate for Town-aligned MVP, Teal was a great help to the town - a complete 180 from his behavior in WW12, where he tried to kill everyone (and almost succeeded; he cut the game by about four Days). The scum were wiped out by the time people started noticed Teal was still alive so late in the game, so Teapot had to put him out of his misery. Did the scum figure there were bigger fish to fry? Who knows.
Ability usage: D2A3 Nature's Profit
Aaaand that's it. That is all Glace did. Didn't even send a kill on Night 1. Infinity hit yes on his role so Glace's reign as alpha wolf was pretty short-lived. He was lynched Day 2 so there ain't much else to say here.
> create role that works best when dead
> never dies
> okay.jpg
Talk about disappointment. Bisharp didn't really draw much attention to himself at all so he didn't get much use out of Pinkie Sense, either.
Ability usage: N1 Shocker, N2 Infinity
Zorua died, from Surgery Roulette, at the end of Day 2. This was probably the worst possible way he could have gone, and the fact that he died early only added insult to injury. This was a second twist I had on the seer role. It had the potential to be powerful - if they had unlocked their masonry, they would have become a powerful force for the town (or themselves). Unfortunately, Zorua died and Takeshi is incompetent, so what can you do?
Ability usage: N2A1 DNA, N4A1 N6A1 TheGuy, N7A2 The Yoshi, N8A1 Teal, N9A2 ShadowLugia, N10A1 Spammy, N12A1 One Approved
HL was kinda weird not because of his abilities, but simply because once he got the Bouquet from The Yoshi N1, he held onto it for the entire game. I never understood why. Once The Yoshi died, he didn't even try to pass it to the shooter or whatever. Weird.
Ability usage: N1, N2, N3, N6, N7, N8, N9, N10
At least he used the role to communicate with the town. He pretty much stopped after all the scum were dead, though.
Tracey's nightmares return for another game and they still do nothing! This is a stupid role and I won't be using it again. I suggest no one else does, either.
Ability usage: N1A0 no one, N2A0 Nature's Profit
Another role I debuted in this game. I think Nengeni could have won with this if he'd lived longer, but the wolves took him out before he could really get any mileage out of it. Hosts: be careful about using the Sensor role - it's ridiculously powerful.
I would say Eevee played poorly this game, but that would imply she actually played; not only did she not say anything about being able to fix Items (which is a huge reason why many of them didn't see the light of day), she hardly posted at all and I ended up modkilling her. She had a very important role and it seriously upset me to see her all but ignore it, especially since Items were a new mechanic that needed testing. Hosts: Beware of letting Eevee join your games. I would honestly advise against it.
Ability usage: D2 Lucky Fire, D6 Blah
I knew that this would be either a really strong town role or a really weak one depending on who was being stalked. Chariblaze chose Lucky Fire as his first stalking victim, and had she actually made use of her role, he might have gotten a little use out of his.
When she died, Blah convinced Chariblaze to target him. Probably the only thing Blah did right with his role.
The Ascetic part didn't come into play until superpokemon67 tried making Teal have a dream about Mokoko. This role might get more usage out of a smaller game (or if more people had it). This role was completely vanilla otherwise and I would suggest if you give someone an Ascetic modifier, give them other abilities too. Make their immunity worth having.
Ability usage: N1 ComfortEagle, N2 DNA, N3 Zyflair, N6 Blui129, N8 The Yoshi, N9 Teal
This was another twist I decided to add - the paranoid cop. Unfortunately, the reveal of the Incriminate ability kind of cheapened this role, since everyone figured that the only reason ShadowLugia was getting so many scum hits was that they were also Incriminated. Kecleon-X lived for a long time, so unfortunately this theory had a lot of merit.
SL also never investigated anyone Night 10 (the night Kecleon-X died), which is unfortunate because Roari saved him from getting shot and he could have gotten more investigations out. I really did not want to modkill him... oh well.
Puff's role was spilled to everyone when superpokemon67 died. As a result, he was cleared as Town and thus never got to shoot. Had he not been, things may have been different.
Bonus abilities learned:
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Ability 1: Incriminate
Once each Night, you may PM me the names of 3 players. If any of those players' alignments are investigated, they will appear to be sided with the werewolves. If there are 30 or less players remaining, you may only PM 2 players. If there are 15 or less players remaining, you may only PM 1 player.
Ability 2: Teehee
Once each odd-numbered Night, you may PM me "Cursing <player1> and <player2>", where <player1> and <player2> are living players. During the next Day, those players will have a vote weight of 0.
Ability 3: La-dee-dah~
Once each Night, you may PM me the name of a player. That player will wake up the next day and have a mark on his head. It has no effect, but everyone will sure think it does!
Ability 4: Mum's the Word
Once every third night, you may PM me the names of three players. Those players will be restricted to 30 words per post during the next day.Ability usage: N4NA
This was a neat ability that ended up causing some discomfort for the town (and sort of ruining ShadowLugia's role by legitimizing all of his scum hits). It also would have been better served in a smaller game.
Ability usage (alexmf2): N1 HypnoticLuxray, N2 DNA
Ability usage (sillykyle): N3 Nengeni, N6 Glace
This role suffered from also being in a large game; there needed to be either more Items, less players, or both. sillykle did use this to steal the Trader's List from Negneni's corpse; when he tried stealing the item on Glace's dead body (a bomb), he had to pass the List off first. But since he tried passing it to HypnoticLuxray (who was holding the Bouquet like it was his lifeline), his pass failed, so his theft failed. Glace's body exploded the next Day, so HypnoticLuxray actually saved sillykyle's life. :3
Ability usage: N2A1 Lucky Fire, N3A1 Eevee, N6A1 Rusticks, N8A2
Early on, de tried finding a couple people, but basically stopped until Rusticks went out and screamed for de to find him. He stopped the Lynch Machine from malfunctioning (a cool mechanic that didn't get any use because of the timing of TDL's death; see his role for more info). One Approved tried framing him as the shooter, but that didn't work out very well.
Ability usage: N1NA, N2NA, N4NA, N8NA, N9 Zorua
This was supposed to be a really fun role, but Blui took advantage of something I overlooked (copying indie roles) and used it to win instantly. The point was to have a player choose which team he wanted to be on. I had no idea what he was planning since many good roles were ripe for the picking, but he decided to wait until Night 9 and copy Zorua's role. He survived Surgery Roulette and won instantly on Day 10. Why he waited so long is beyond me.
Ability usage: N1 Glace, N2 Teal, N4 King Piplup, N6 ShadowLugia
This role I actually got from Sean (in the chat room). When I was designing the game and asking for Item suggestions, he came up with two - a dart and a magic 8-ball. I didn't really see how a dart would work as an Item since I wanted it to be something a player could use and still keep. Instead of making the magic 8-ball an Item, I used it instead of this role's original abilities. This way, there was another seer, but it wasn't guaranteed.
The role worked exactly like a magic 8-ball does: You ask it a question, shake it, and your answer is revealed. Typical magic 8-balls have 20 different answers - 10 positive, 5 negative, and 5 noncommittal. I didn't want there to be a bias towards any end, so I trimmed the positive answers down to five. Since noncommittal answers don't really help for the purposes of this game, I added hidden effects to each one. One of them made the answer tomorrow always yes, one of them made the answer tomorrow always no, two of them would remove the noncommittal responses tomorrow, and one of them simply had no effect.
Infinity had really bad luck with this role. The only yes answer he got was from his Night 1 investigation of Glace. Night 2 he got a noncommittal response which would have removed them all the next night, but his Night 3 usage was submitted past deadline. Night 4 he got another noncommittal response, but he got the one that made the next answer always no, so when he investigated ShadowLugia Night 6 (remember there was no Night 5), he got nothing. The town got pretty upset with him since he claimed seer and got almost no results, so lulz
Ability usage: N1 (a rope), N2 (an axe)
Prayer effects:
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1. The sun (Next Day lasts 1 day instead of 1 week)
2. The moon (Next Night lasts 1 day instead of 3 days)
3. A rope (all players lynch votes count double for the next Day)
4. A bird (all players can speak to each other privately)
5. A flask (all Items are automatically returned to the players who started with them)
6. The letter C (all players must talk in ALL CAPS during the next day)
7. A flag (all votes are submitted privately during the next day)
8. An axe (each player restricted to 5 posts that Day)
9. A coin (30% chance a player's Night targets will be made public)This was a role that was sadly cut short. NP was the victim of the bomb that was given to him by TDL; it didn't explode when he threw it at Lucky Fire, and when she threw it back at him, it blew up. lulz.
The town only got a small taste of this role, on Day 2. When NP prayed on Night 2, he was role blocked by PMysterious, so it never came into effect. I would definitely bring this role back for future games.
Ability usage (Non Sequitur): N1 Teal
Ability usage (doublenikesocks): N6 DNA
I decided to add a second thief just because there were so many players, but neither of these guys really even tried to steal anything (Teal did get his Item stolen though, so weeeee).
Lucky Fire screwed this role up. It was a really fun role but the one time she used it, she didn't ask about her target's role PM, so it was never sent. Way to go. >:[
Ability usage: N1A1 Bisharp37, N1A2 Teal, N2A1 Bisharp37, N2A2 Infinity, N3A1 DNA, N3A2 Zyflair, N6A1 Mokoko
The combination of Kronar and Gale could have proven themselves a major threat for the wolves, but thanks to some bad luck, Zorua (Gale) died extremely early and Takeshi didn't really have much chance to make use of Bloody Sacrifice. That said, this role is all but worthless if Gale is dead since I never gave this role an out if it happened. In hindsight, I honestly didn't expect Gale to die so early. I even made Bloody Sacrifice easy enough to unlock. Unfortunately, after she realized that scanning future players was useless, Takeshi basically stopped playing about halfway into the game and she was crushed by the hand of Almighty Black God for it. I have to take partial blame for this because I should have revealed that there was a possibility that dead players' roles might come back. With her only win condition rendered unfulfillable, I can sort of understand losing the motivation to play.
It is noteworthy that she and Zorua both submitted Infinity's name on Night 2 for their teamwork scan ability (without having been masons), but that's the only noteworthy thing either of them accomplished.
Ability usage: N2 Lucky Fire, Shocker, Nature's Profit
Kecleon-X's sole usage of his Incriminate ability probably caused the most chaos the town experienced. Targeting Shocker with it gave him access to the ability; once Shocker blabbed its existence to the town, no wolf reveals could be completely trusted as long as Kecleon-X lived. For reasons unknown, ShadowLugia stopped submitting his night action the night after Kecleon-X was lynched. This kinda made me mad bro since the whole reason I added a paranoid seer was to screw with the town. Jerk.
Amusing note: As the sole surviving wolf, Kecleon-X received the killing role on Day 9, after The Yoshi was shot by Teapot the night before. Kecleon-X was lynched that same Day, making him the record holder for shortest lived alpha wolf.
There isn't much to say here. It functions best if it gets hit early, and it was hit Night 3 when ESP convinced his alpha to kill Porygon-X instead of Shocker. The 70% kill went through and the wolves were down one.
Considering that both Rusticks and King Arceus lived to the end of the game, this had the potential to be a powerful weapon for the town. It's this doublevoting ability that got Blah lynched on Day 11. Unfortunately Rusticks was MIA for the end of the game and he wound up modkilled. Too bad; him and de could have run the town through the power of their votes alone.
Ability usage: N1 Dark Void, N3 Teal, N4 TDL, N6 Chariblaze, N7 HypnoticLuxray, N8 Bisharp37, N9 King Arceus, N9 Blui129
Blah used this role all wrong.
If your win condition involves people visiting you, you should be trying to get people to visit you in the night. Counterclaiming is a great way to do that. A situation that comes readily to mind is when King Arceus mentioned looking for someone. Had Blah piped up right away, KA might have gone to him before Rusticks. If that had happened, the Lynch Machine never would have been fixed and who knows how the game could have turned out.
Once it was made clear that Zyflair was priest, Blah could have claimed seer and asked for his protection.
He did kind of do it right when he made a fake role claim during Day 6, but by then people were already a bit skeptical of his intentions; when Day 7 rolled around and Chariblaze wound up dead, it cemented his status as a dangerous indie and the town made sure to steer clear of him for the rest of the game.
There were more missed opportunities but I never made specific note of them. Counterclaiming Rusticks was the biggest one that I took notice of.
Ability usage: D1A2, N2A1 Nature's Profit
Sean should be honored but instead he'll probably just be butthurt and qq moar.
Newcomer PMysterious got a little out of his ability; he managed to shake up the town on the very first day when he locked the votes. He met an untimely end Night 3 when he was revenge killed by Porygon-X, which is a shame. The wolves died off way too quickly (this is entirely Teapot's fault).
Ability usage: D3
After Meaty used his ability to lynch Riskbreakers on Day 3, he pretty much fell off the game radar entirely. He didn't do much past Day 3 anyway and was just another modkilled player in the end.
I'll be honest, I was a little disappointed. I was anxious to see how corn bread would handle himself this game, especially after his performance in WW12. Unfortunately, realizing he was worth more to the town dead than alive (which wasn't exactly true), he volunteered himself for Day 1's lynch. This cleared Chillarmy (later Argetlam) as town, but neither Chillarmy nor Argetlam were terribly active. It's a shame. Oh well. corn bread is still an up-and-coming rookie and you should be watchful for him in future games.
Ability usage (Chillarmy): N1NA, N2
Ability usage (Argetlam): N3, N8
This role was also kind of an experiment, but its effectiveness relied on the messages submitted to it. Both TheGuy and Cinesra sent messages in, and I think only Chillarmy vetoed one of TheGuy's messages once. Cinesra wasted his role by trolling so whatever. This is kind of a hard role to keep track of because it requires the editor-in-chief to be online a lot so he can approve the messages in a timely manner. It also requires me to actually send the messages to the editor-in-chief, but that's neither here nor there.
This could have been a strong role for the wolves, had any of them ever possessed any Items. The only mileage The Yoshi got out of this role is learning that HypnoticLuxray kept the Bouquet for pretty much the entire game. The Yoshi got the Dirty Magazine later on, but he was shot by Teapot before he could pass it on. After Glace's outing as scum, The Yoshi picked up the alpha role and performed admirably enough.
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43. Roari
Ability usage: N1NA, N2 Infinity, N3 Infinity, N4NA, N6NA, N7NA, N8NA, N9 ShadowLugia, N10 ShadowLugia
Roari, a player who seemingly joined PokeBeach just to be a part of this game, actually kept up with it pretty well despite not posting much. Later on in the game he claimed the role of Zyflair's (later Reshiwott's) sister. As you can see, he was very careful in his protections, many times choosing not to protect rather than protect an unclear. His protection of Infinity on Night 2 was right on the money, but dmaster's role took priority, so dmaster died instead of Roari. He finally got to do his job on Night 10 when Teapot tried to shoot ShadowLugia. In the end, I'd say it mattered; it left one more cleared townie for Teapot to try to get past.
Now I'll do a brief overview on each of the Items in the game, who held them, what they could have transformed into (did you guys forget about that?), and my thoughts on same.
1. The Badge
2. The Bouquet
3. The Cracked Orb
4. The Creepy Doll
5. The Dirty Magazine
6. The Homemade Time Bomb
7. The Megaphone
8. The Mysterious Amulet
9. The Null Orb (Transformation Item)
10. The Smiling Doll (Transformation Item)
11. The Super Creepy Doll (Transformation Item)
12. The Trader's List
And, for lulz, a couple Items that didn't make it in:
The Super Trader's List (Transformation Item)
The Medicinal Theory -> Scribbles -> Anti-Werewolf Spray
Whew. I think that's everything. Some final thoughts: I think that Items have the potential to work, but it's not for a huge amount of players. And speaking of, 32 is still looking good, but I think that even with that many, people start getting bored towards the end. I think I'm going to try going in a different direction with my next game and cut the normal number and see how that goes.
To all the people who joined PokeBeach just for this game: Thanks for joining. Hope to see you in future games; try sticking around the site next time, we're pretty cool.
I'll end with a question: I scattered like over nine thousand references in the role names. Can you spot them all? :O
Ability usage: N1NA, N2 Infinity, N3 Infinity, N4NA, N6NA, N7NA, N8NA, N9 ShadowLugia, N10 ShadowLugia
Roari, a player who seemingly joined PokeBeach just to be a part of this game, actually kept up with it pretty well despite not posting much. Later on in the game he claimed the role of Zyflair's (later Reshiwott's) sister. As you can see, he was very careful in his protections, many times choosing not to protect rather than protect an unclear. His protection of Infinity on Night 2 was right on the money, but dmaster's role took priority, so dmaster died instead of Roari. He finally got to do his job on Night 10 when Teapot tried to shoot ShadowLugia. In the end, I'd say it mattered; it left one more cleared townie for Teapot to try to get past.
Now I'll do a brief overview on each of the Items in the game, who held them, what they could have transformed into (did you guys forget about that?), and my thoughts on same.
1. The Badge
Started with: Hugh Bellingham (Teal)
Effect: +1 vote weight
Can Transform?: Yes, into Polished Badge
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Thoughts: This was held by Teal for almost the entire game; Non Sequitur stole it Night 1 and kept it for two nights. He dropped it because of his role effect, at which point random.org decided Teal would get it and he held it until he died.
Effect: +1 vote weight
Can Transform?: Yes, into Polished Badge
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Thoughts: This was held by Teal for almost the entire game; Non Sequitur stole it Night 1 and kept it for two nights. He dropped it because of his role effect, at which point random.org decided Teal would get it and he held it until he died.
Started with: Tristan Harroway (The Yoshi)
Effect: Kill the last player to hold it if held upon death
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: HypnoticLuxray singlehandedly ruined this Item for me. Turning the Lover role into an Item was, I think, one of the coolest ideas I had. I expected players to pass this around like a hot potato - after all, who wants to get saddled with this thing? Apparently HypnoticLuxray did; after The Yoshi passed it to him Night 1, he held it for pretty much the whole game. Hilariously enough, when HypnoticLuxray finally did try to pass it, he tried passing it to The Yoshi, not knowing it was The Yoshi who passed it to him in the first place. But by that time, The Yoshi was holding another Item, so the pass failed.
Effect: Kill the last player to hold it if held upon death
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: HypnoticLuxray singlehandedly ruined this Item for me. Turning the Lover role into an Item was, I think, one of the coolest ideas I had. I expected players to pass this around like a hot potato - after all, who wants to get saddled with this thing? Apparently HypnoticLuxray did; after The Yoshi passed it to him Night 1, he held it for pretty much the whole game. Hilariously enough, when HypnoticLuxray finally did try to pass it, he tried passing it to The Yoshi, not knowing it was The Yoshi who passed it to him in the first place. But by that time, The Yoshi was holding another Item, so the pass failed.
Started with: Edwin Boyd (alexmf2)
Effect: none
Can Transform?: Yes, into Null Orb
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Thoughts: This Item was made to be fixed; it had no use otherwise. If Eevee had said anything about being able to fix broken things at any point in the game, alex might have tried to give this thing to her. Instead, he pawned it off on ShadowLugia, who in turn dropped it in ESP's lap. He died with it and that was the end of that.
Effect: none
Can Transform?: Yes, into Null Orb
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Thoughts: This Item was made to be fixed; it had no use otherwise. If Eevee had said anything about being able to fix broken things at any point in the game, alex might have tried to give this thing to her. Instead, he pawned it off on ShadowLugia, who in turn dropped it in ESP's lap. He died with it and that was the end of that.
Started with: Joan Dearden (DNA)
Effect: Lynched at L-1
Can Transform?: Yes, into Smiling Doll
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Thoughts: This was the key to DNA's win condition, although DNA landing the Joan role was a double-edged sword. It's also the only Item capable of transforming twice. DNA passed it to Meaty on Night 1, who in turn gave it to Dark Void on Night 2. He held it for three nights and died holding it. DNA was dead by that time, however.
Effect: Lynched at L-1
Can Transform?: Yes, into Smiling Doll
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Thoughts: This was the key to DNA's win condition, although DNA landing the Joan role was a double-edged sword. It's also the only Item capable of transforming twice. DNA passed it to Meaty on Night 1, who in turn gave it to Dark Void on Night 2. He held it for three nights and died holding it. DNA was dead by that time, however.
Started with: Sean (PMysterious)
Effect: Cannot vote
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: Well, it was passed around a lot. Chain of ownership: PMysterious - King Piplup - Shocker - Meaty - Meaty - The Yoshi - The Yoshi, who died holding it.
Effect: Cannot vote
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: Well, it was passed around a lot. Chain of ownership: PMysterious - King Piplup - Shocker - Meaty - Meaty - The Yoshi - The Yoshi, who died holding it.
Started with: Lucy Peters (Eevee)
Effect: Disguised as a clock; kills whoever is holding it when preprogrammed time passes
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: This marks Eevee's only contribution to the game. She set the timer (for Night 6), passed it on, and that was it. She passed it to Glace, who ended up getting lynched on day 2 thanks to Infinity. This, of course, didn't mean anything because both of thief roles were still in the game. alexmf2 was the only one with the ability to spot corpses holding Items, though, and he didn't take any interest in Glace's item. When alexmf2 was replaced with sillykyle, sillykyle went grave robbing, stealing Nengeni's Item instantly after inheriting the role. On Night 6, he tried to pawn the Trader's List off on HypnoticLuxray so he could steal the item Glace was holding, but couldn't because of HypnoticLuxray's super glue-like attachment to the Bouquet. The bomb exploded the next Day, so it wound up saving sillykyle's life.
Effect: Disguised as a clock; kills whoever is holding it when preprogrammed time passes
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: This marks Eevee's only contribution to the game. She set the timer (for Night 6), passed it on, and that was it. She passed it to Glace, who ended up getting lynched on day 2 thanks to Infinity. This, of course, didn't mean anything because both of thief roles were still in the game. alexmf2 was the only one with the ability to spot corpses holding Items, though, and he didn't take any interest in Glace's item. When alexmf2 was replaced with sillykyle, sillykyle went grave robbing, stealing Nengeni's Item instantly after inheriting the role. On Night 6, he tried to pawn the Trader's List off on HypnoticLuxray so he could steal the item Glace was holding, but couldn't because of HypnoticLuxray's super glue-like attachment to the Bouquet. The bomb exploded the next Day, so it wound up saving sillykyle's life.
Started with: Lou Thurge (superpokemon67)
Effect: Can vote after death
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: superpokemon67 literally held this Item for the entire game. He never passed it, and no one tried to steal it from him. By the time he died, both the thieves were dead and Blui was out of the game, so there was no chance of having it stolen from him. He got a little use out of it, which caused a couple people to scratch their heads. :>
Effect: Can vote after death
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: superpokemon67 literally held this Item for the entire game. He never passed it, and no one tried to steal it from him. By the time he died, both the thieves were dead and Blui was out of the game, so there was no chance of having it stolen from him. He got a little use out of it, which caused a couple people to scratch their heads. :>
Started with: Genevieve Barswick (Shocker)
Effect: Can use a night action twice in one night
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: I liked the idea of a role that could power up other roles, but I didn't want it to stay in the hands of a single player. To balance it, I made it so it would randomly change hands every night; because of that it was guaranteed to never be out of the game. Chain of ownership: Shocker - One Approved - Porygon-X - Mokoko - Zyflair - Spammy - Kecleon-X - Roari - Blui129 - Spammy - King Arceus - Bisharp37 - One Approved.
Effect: Can use a night action twice in one night
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: I liked the idea of a role that could power up other roles, but I didn't want it to stay in the hands of a single player. To balance it, I made it so it would randomly change hands every night; because of that it was guaranteed to never be out of the game. Chain of ownership: Shocker - One Approved - Porygon-X - Mokoko - Zyflair - Spammy - Kecleon-X - Roari - Blui129 - Spammy - King Arceus - Bisharp37 - One Approved.
Started with: N/A (Transformed from Cracked Orb)
Effect: Prevents ability usage
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: Probably would have done something cool, but never did. I blame Eevee.
Effect: Prevents ability usage
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: Probably would have done something cool, but never did. I blame Eevee.
Started with: N/A (Transformed from Creepy Doll)
Effect: none
Can Transform?: Yes, into Super Creepy Doll
Method of Transformation: Held by Joan Dearden (DNA)
Thoughts: Because Eevee had the power to change almost every Item in the game, and the Creepy Doll was directly tied to Joan's win condition, I needed a way for Joan to still be able to win if this happened. In hindsight, this was an awfully complicated process due to the sheer amount of players. It might have been different if Joan had gone to anyone other than DNA, but come on now. DNA getting the only deliberate trolling role in the whole game on a 1/43 dice roll? You can't ask for better.
Effect: none
Can Transform?: Yes, into Super Creepy Doll
Method of Transformation: Held by Joan Dearden (DNA)
Thoughts: Because Eevee had the power to change almost every Item in the game, and the Creepy Doll was directly tied to Joan's win condition, I needed a way for Joan to still be able to win if this happened. In hindsight, this was an awfully complicated process due to the sheer amount of players. It might have been different if Joan had gone to anyone other than DNA, but come on now. DNA getting the only deliberate trolling role in the whole game on a 1/43 dice roll? You can't ask for better.
Started with: N/A (Transformed from Smiling Doll)
Effect: Lynched at L-2
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: I included this only as a failsafe in the event Lucy got ahold of the Creepy Doll. It's pretty powerful in the late game but there were too many people to realistically bring it into play.
Effect: Lynched at L-2
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: I included this only as a failsafe in the event Lucy got ahold of the Creepy Doll. It's pretty powerful in the late game but there were too many people to realistically bring it into play.
Started with: Phoebe (Nengeni)
Effect: Learn names of all players holding Items
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: A powerful Item, held by Nengeni during his brief stint among the living. sillykyle stole it after inheriting alexmf2's thief role, and held it until Teapot shot him dead.
Effect: Learn names of all players holding Items
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: N/A
Thoughts: A powerful Item, held by Nengeni during his brief stint among the living. sillykyle stole it after inheriting alexmf2's thief role, and held it until Teapot shot him dead.
And, for lulz, a couple Items that didn't make it in:
The Super Trader's List (Transformation Item)
Effect: Learn names of all players holding Items and which Items they are holding
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters
Thoughts: I axed this because I figured it would be too powerful. Am I right?
Can Transform?: No
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters
Thoughts: I axed this because I figured it would be too powerful. Am I right?
Effect: none -> none -> Guard against werewolf attacks
Can Transform?: Yes, into Scribbles -> Yes, into Anti-Werewolf Spray -> No
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters -> Held by unused role -> N/A
Thoughts: Removed because if the scum ever got their hands on it, they'd never let it go, and Item hoarding was something I didn't want. Not only that, but in the end I wanted all the Items to be faction-neutral; it wouldn't matter which team got the Items because they could both make use of them.
Can Transform?: Yes, into Scribbles -> Yes, into Anti-Werewolf Spray -> No
Method of Transformation: Held by Lucy Peters -> Held by unused role -> N/A
Thoughts: Removed because if the scum ever got their hands on it, they'd never let it go, and Item hoarding was something I didn't want. Not only that, but in the end I wanted all the Items to be faction-neutral; it wouldn't matter which team got the Items because they could both make use of them.
Whew. I think that's everything. Some final thoughts: I think that Items have the potential to work, but it's not for a huge amount of players. And speaking of, 32 is still looking good, but I think that even with that many, people start getting bored towards the end. I think I'm going to try going in a different direction with my next game and cut the normal number and see how that goes.
To all the people who joined PokeBeach just for this game: Thanks for joining. Hope to see you in future games; try sticking around the site next time, we're pretty cool.
I'll end with a question: I scattered like over nine thousand references in the role names. Can you spot them all? :O
PMJ
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By the way I accidentally deleted the WW12 and WW13 wolf forums and there's no way to get them back short of rolling the entire forum back, sorry.
But the WW14 wolf forum is intact and you can now find it in Scum Central.
But the WW14 wolf forum is intact and you can now find it in Scum Central.
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