Finished Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (RaichuGirl and Astra (wolf) win!)

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RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

I'm saying we can't ignore the possibility. We've never had explicit confirmation on the number of wolves remaining, and for all we know, there could be three left and this is LYLO. That's why I'm asking.

Both six and seven man scum teams fit balancewise, Five seems too small to me, and eight seems like it's too many.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Astra said:
I'm saying we can't ignore the possibility. We've never had explicit confirmation on the number of wolves remaining, and for all we know, there could be three left and this is LYLO. That's why I'm asking.

Both six and seven man scum teams fit balancewise, Five seems too small to me, and eight seems like it's too many.
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Why do you consider your indie claim to make you "soft cleared"?
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Is there any evidence that says I'm scum? Obviously I can tell that you AND Glace are leaning scum on me (though this only happened after I brought up your names today hrrrrrrrm).

I've been claiming Miller Survivor since day 1, I believe I even stated it in my first post on Day 1. I wouldn't say I'm cleared, but I do think that the risk of lynching me is too great to do so on Day 9.

We're too close to LYLO to take chances on a supposed Survivor claim. If I get lynched, then:

a) assuming 3-man scum team, a 3-3 situation acheives standard scum wincon aka scum wins
b) assuming 2 man scum team, a 4-2 situation puts town in LYLO next day, and we're basically back at this point.

If you don't want me to consider lynching you, I suggest you claim. Same suggestion applies to Glace.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Astra claimed indie on day 1 and survived through two lynches. Would a wolf do the first thing? Maybe, but very very probably not because it's a really risky move. Could a wolf survive two lynches? Probably not.

Astra, tell us about the background of your role. Who exactly are you, were do you come from?
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Astra said:
A lynch is /always/ worth it, every day. How else is the town supposed to eliminate the scumteam? We don't know if we have any vigilantes or other killing roles like PGO.

Also I'm going to take the opportunity to claim now, because claiming early will hopefully help me survive. I'm a Miller Survivor (I win if I make it to the game's end and any seers will get results that I'm a member of the Undine). I'm not a threat to either of the main factions, since I have no way of directly harming scum or town. So I hope I can just live alongside you guys until the game's over.
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Astra said:
Teal said:
Astra, what is the history behind your role?
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My character was a member of the Undine, but betrayed them before they took control of the Farstar (role PM doesn't give any reason why, which is disappointing). Since he can't support the Farstar members due to being part of their enemy, and he can't support the values of the Undine, he's staying neutral in this conflict and simply wants to live.

#boringrole
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Adding onto this:

-My character's name is Korshak.
-He was friends with Ulginesh (who I later found out to be The Yoshi) and is the reason why he originally joined the Undine.
-Once learning that Ulginesh and his fellow Undine desired conquest of the ship for their selfish desires, Korshak abandoned his companion and simply wants to return to his family, who's whereabouts are unknown to me due to a lack of flavor text.
-Someone has a remote that allows me to escape lynches through teleportation (This was unknown to me until it happened the first time). I'd imagine this was done to give me a better chance of satisfying my win condition.
-A companionship with Ulginesh is my assumed reason as to the Miller part of my role, since we were friends before this conflict. Alternately, my flavor text implies that I have bad luck, which may also be a possible reason for the Miller part of my role.
-In addition to my survivor win condition, I also require Gorsha to be dead, who, judging by this post, is the second-in-command of the scumteam, and a bit of a jerk.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Astra said:
Is there any evidence that says I'm scum? Obviously I can tell that you AND Glace are leaning scum on me (though this only happened after I brought up your names today hrrrrrrrm).

I've been claiming Miller Survivor since day 1, I believe I even stated it in my first post on Day 1. I wouldn't say I'm cleared, but I do think that the risk of lynching me is too great to do so on Day 9.

We're too close to LYLO to take chances on a supposed Survivor claim. If I get lynched, then:

a) assuming 3-man scum team, a 3-3 situation acheives standard scum wincon aka scum wins
b) assuming 2 man scum team, a 4-2 situation puts town in LYLO next day, and we're basically back at this point.

If you don't want me to consider lynching you, I suggest you claim. Same suggestion applies to Glace.
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Ahhh so you want 2 people to claim. Scummy? Yes...
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Oh shut up about Astra camoclone. I don't believe you anymore. (Looks like you can't keep it together anymore.)

I don't see why I should not believe Asta's claim. Doesn't make sense.

Glace, camoclone and TheGuy should all claim now. If nobody claims we will just proceed in lynching Glace today.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Astra said:
Astra said:
A lynch is /always/ worth it, every day. How else is the town supposed to eliminate the scumteam? We don't know if we have any vigilantes or other killing roles like PGO.

Also I'm going to take the opportunity to claim now, because claiming early will hopefully help me survive. I'm a Miller Survivor (I win if I make it to the game's end and any seers will get results that I'm a member of the Undine). I'm not a threat to either of the main factions, since I have no way of directly harming scum or town. So I hope I can just live alongside you guys until the game's over.
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Astra said:
My character was a member of the Undine, but betrayed them before they took control of the Farstar (role PM doesn't give any reason why, which is disappointing). Since he can't support the Farstar members due to being part of their enemy, and he can't support the values of the Undine, he's staying neutral in this conflict and simply wants to live.

#boringrole
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Adding onto this:

-My character's name is Korshak.
-He was friends with Ulginesh (who I later found out to be The Yoshi) and is the reason why he originally joined the Undine.
-Once learning that Ulginesh and his fellow Undine desired conquest of the ship for their selfish desires, Korshak abandoned his companion and simply wants to return to his family, who's whereabouts are unknown to me due to a lack of flavor text.
-Someone has a remote that allows me to escape lynches through teleportation (This was unknown to me until it happened the first time). I'd imagine this was done to give me a better chance of satisfying my win condition.
-A companionship with Ulginesh is my assumed reason as to the Miller part of my role, since we were friends before this conflict. Alternately, my flavor text implies that I have bad luck, which may also be a possible reason for the Miller part of my role.
-In addition to my survivor win condition, I also require Gorsha to be dead, who, judging by this post, is the second-in-command of the scumteam, and a bit of a jerk.
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After a long google search, no Korshak found. Link me to online description.

Will claim soon. Need bump.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Not surprised, because I think a lot of these characters have made up names. Googling most of the character names hasn't gotten me anything related to Star Trek.

Can't give you an online description of a character who doesn't exist in Star Trek canon.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Teal said:
Oh shut up about Astra camoclone. I don't believe you anymore. (Looks like you can't keep it together anymore.)

I don't see why I should not believe Asta's claim. Doesn't make sense.

Glace, camoclone and TheGuy should all claim now. If nobody claims we will just proceed in lynching Glace today.
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Alrighty then wolf? Want to know exactly if any of us are PR's huh?
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

I am Lanton. I am gruff and blunt. I hate backstories and long descriptions and often act impatiently and pushy.

I have double vote role.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Glace: Why did you need time for that?

You hate backstories?
camoclone said:
Teal said:
Oh shut up about Astra camoclone. I don't believe you anymore. (Looks like you can't keep it together anymore.)

I don't see why I should not believe Asta's claim. Doesn't make sense.

Glace, camoclone and TheGuy should all claim now. If nobody claims we will just proceed in lynching Glace today.
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Alrighty then wolf? Want to know exactly if any of us are PR's huh?
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I'm laughing. (Yeah I wish I was.) This is ridiculous.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Teal said:
Glace: Why did you need time for that?
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Because I went to the pool.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

The... pool? o.ô
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Teal said:
Glace: Why did you need time for that?

You hate backstories?
camoclone said:
Alrighty then wolf? Want to know exactly if any of us are PR's huh?
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I'm laughing. (Yeah I wish I was.) This is ridiculous.
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This is ridiculous. You are attempting to PR search.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

camoclone, learn to read.

We have three cleared townies:
1) Porygon, the captain [through mason / ingame / info reveal]
2) me, the android [trough wolf kill PLUS seer PLUS proven abilites]
3) Puff [through our seer]

We also have one indie. Then we have three potential wolves. OF FREAKING COURSE THESE PLAYERS NEED TO ROLE-REVEAL. I'm not going after PR:s, I'm going after WOLVES (aka you).

Ok, let me see. We have 7 players.

Let's say 2 wolves, 4 townies, 1 indie (Astra). (Three wolves would be too much for a game with this amount of players and even so many indies.)

Glace is town with double vote:
Case 1: We lynch a wolf. We can afford wasting the next two days.
Case 2: We lynch a townie, not Glace. Next day: 2 wolf, 2 town (1 double vote), 1 indie. LAST DAY
Case 3: We lynch Glace, a townie. Next day: 2 wolf, 2 town, 1 indie. LAST CHANCE... with two suspects! (We can afford it!)

Glace is wolf with double vote:
Case 1: We lynch the other wolf. Next day: 1 wolf (double vote), 3 town, 1 indie. We still can afford wasting that day, but the day after that we have to nail it.
Case 2: We lynch Glace, a wolf. Next day: 1 wolf, 3 town, 1 indie - really nice. We can afford to waste that and even one more day.
Case 3: We lynch a normal townie. Next day: 2 wolf (1 double vote), 2 town, 1 indie. Town potentially LOSES (if Astra sides with the town, 50% chance to win because of the random lynch, but Astra can win with anyone). (We can't afford it!)

Thus, if Glace is a wolf and we end up lynching a townie today, the wolves have pretty much won.

camoclone is desperately throwing rocks at cleared people and refuses to see the sense in lynching the real suspects.
Now think of his previous behaviour.
Yeah, doesn't match up.
What does he want to do? Buy just one more day, so that he and Glace can have a shot at winning. If we lynch Glace (or camo) now, all is over for the wolves.

Now, camoclone, role reveal. :)

@Glace: Uh, it's just weird.

tl;dr: We can afford lynching a double voter if he is town because the DV doesn't matter then. We can't afford leaving a DV wolf alive at all. Additionally, nobody has probably ever acted as wolfy in PB WW history as camoclone today, but we can afford saving him for tomorrow.
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

camoclone said:
Teal said:
Oh shut up about Astra camoclone. I don't believe you anymore. (Looks like you can't keep it together anymore.)

I don't see why I should not believe Asta's claim. Doesn't make sense.

Glace, camoclone and TheGuy should all claim now. If nobody claims we will just proceed in lynching Glace today.
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Alrighty then wolf? Want to know exactly if any of us are PR's huh?
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Halfway tempted to vote for camoclone because this post is way too stupid considering Teal is pretty much cleared.

Totally playing really aggressive and I'm reading it as desperation.

Glace said:
I am Lanton. I am gruff and blunt. I hate backstories and long descriptions and often act impatiently and pushy.

I have double vote role.
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Gruff and blunt eh? Sounds rather fitting for how you've been playing this game.

Claim doesn't necessary help because most of the characters are original. But role claim is interesting, and pretty easy to test out.

Note that I'd avoid putting a vote on Glace until later, because if he's Scum!Doublevoter, then he can selfhammer at two votes and end day early. Even though it seems like we know what we're doing in the days to come, we should still use all of our time given.

Glace and camoclone for scumteam 2013
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

Glace's background sounds like a lazy fake, because Glace doesn't know enough about this universe to write a legimate sounding background story tied to this Sci-Fi setting. It is also something that you can write fast, when you are suddenly pressed for role info.

IMO TheGuy should still rolereveal asap, but I don't think it's that crucial anymore. I think we have our scum figured out. Especially considering that camoclone went for TheGuy yesterday... yeah, save that role reveal for tomorrow if Glace flips town. Let's just do this.

Any objections?
 
RE: Werewolf XV II: The Final Frontier (Day 9 ends on the 3rd of June, 10:00 PM EST)

None here. I think this the process is pretty self explanatory at this point. Totally agreeing with your plan of action.

Actually if Glace is scum!doublevoter then this is LYLO so we need to get rid of him.
 
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