Finished Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (OVER)

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RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

TheGuy said:
I don't think it can be a WIFOM this late in the game. If it is a WIFOM, then the last mafia is either myself, you, or Drohn. And I think we can both agree that neither me nor you are the last mafia. That leaves just Drohn as the only possibility if it's not Fancy. And since I was thinking Drohn might be the Serial Killer/ Wolf, that's why I lean towards Fancy.

The only other person I can imagine voting for today is Drohn, I think there's less of a case against him, but there certainly is one.
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It definitely is WIFOM. I was being targeted by you because I supposedly 'started' the lynch. However, I wasn't the one who started it, I was the one who joined in. So, you completely rework your argument against me, and say because I joined in and did what Luckyfire was trying to do, I must be a mafia. Although you completely ignore Luckyfire, you're devoutly trying to lynch me instead; not even investigating (I don't mean voting, just looking into) her.

That's what seems a bit off to me. And if this lynch does indeed succeed, my request would be to look into TheGuy once I flip town. I thought he was town but he did seem a bit defensive and suspicious to me.

How, does he seem suspicious to me, you ask? Well, he votes someone earlier for being influenced and joining bandwagons, then completely ignores someone who is influenced and joins bandwagons. As if they have some sort of connection, a connection so great that he doesn't even doubt her for a second.

Just my thoughts.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Drohn, you can't edit in this game. :
That's all I wanted to say.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Post #880 @Drohn ._.

I would like to have ZERO edits from now on. I would like to not modkill ever, but this is minor-ish so I will let it slide.

NO EDITS!!!
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Fancy said:
It definitely is WIFOM. I was being targeted by you because I supposedly 'started' the lynch. However, I wasn't the one who started it, I was the one who joined in. So, you completely rework your argument against me, and say because I joined in and did what Luckyfire was trying to do, I must be a mafia. Although you completely ignore Luckyfire, you're devoutly trying to lynch me instead; not even investigating (I don't mean voting, just looking into) her.

That's what seems a bit off to me. And if this lynch does indeed succeed, my request would be to look into TheGuy once I flip town. I thought he was town but he did seem a bit defensive and suspicious to me.

How, does he seem suspicious to me, you ask? Well, he votes someone earlier for being influenced and joining bandwagons, then completely ignores someone who is influenced and joins bandwagons. As if they have some sort of connection, a connection so great that he doesn't even doubt her for a second.

Just my thoughts.
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You were the first one to vote for Nengeni, Luckyfire followed, and then finally Nengeni. So I'd have to say that you started the vote. While it may have been originally Luckyfire's idea to lynch an inactive. You were the one that got it started for Nengeni.

I don't suspect Luckyfire because Luckyfire claimed Survivor. A survivor doesn't care who wins as long as they stay alive. So joining bandwagons and not being highly influential is the perfect way to play it, because by doing so he is less noticeable and thus less likely to be killed. His play matches his claimed role, so I tend to believe that he's not lying.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 7)(D/L 8/14)

TheGuy said:
VOTE: Shocker

Obviously Chillbill was scared of SS and how he got the mafia pretty quick. I'd guess there are no wolves left, considering we've killed 4 or something. So, do we think there's 2 more mafia? That's what I'm leaning towards. I'm willing to trust SS's conjectures, and that should explain my vote for Shocker to get rid of the rest of the mafia.
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I just realised something. I know something you don't. On the night that SS died, Chill didnt have any access to Internet. Which means, how could Chill have killed SS (I know this from my game that I am playing, where Chill was replaced).

And by your wording, 'obviously' you know that you killed SS, not Chillbill.

Plus, if Chill even died that night (and SheNinja is following standard rules), then Chill shouldn't have even got a NK.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

TheGuy said:
You were the first one to vote for Nengeni, Luckyfire followed, and then finally Nengeni. So I'd have to say that you started the vote. While it may have been originally Luckyfire's idea to lynch an inactive. You were the one that got it started for Nengeni.
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But the whole time I was wholeheartedly following Luckyfire's idea. So, if I'm being blamed for not lynching Shocker and lynching an inactive instead, an attempt first done by Luckyfire; then the big picture is this: Luckyfire started an inactive lynch. The inactive changed, but we still continued with Luckyfire's inactive lynch just not the original designated person. So, therefore, Luckyfire should also be looked into, something you've avoided.

Just like her, I didn't really think we had credible evidence for Shocker and followed her idea. So, if I'm the follower, and Luckyfire originally endeavored to make an inactive lynch (which would still save Shocker, btw) I don't see why she isn't being looked at.

TheGuy said:
I don't suspect Luckyfire because Luckyfire claimed Survivor. A survivor doesn't care who wins as long as they stay alive. So joining bandwagons and not being highly influential is the perfect way to play it, because by doing so he is less noticeable and thus less likely to be killed. His play matches his claimed role, so I tend to believe that he's not lying.
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That's funny. Because claiming a "survivor" would allow her to play freely and join as many bandwagons as she can, which is commonly a wolf/mafia tactic. I bet wolves and mafia would like to do that! Also, the big thing is, why would she claim survivor without any pressure at all? She just claimed it and sudden suspicion over her fades as if it was never there. You think it must be right without any further investigation.

Seriously, if the goal was to be less noticeable then why would she openly tell us all that she is a survivor? Knowing that could very well get her killed during night if it is true. But, if isn't true, she is safe from lynching and werewolves or mafia depending on what team she may be a part of.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

All killing roles are simultaneous.

ChillBill may or may not have had internet access. I am not going to make a comment about this.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

James86134 said:
I just realised something. I know something you don't. On the night that SS died, Chill didnt have any access to Internet. Which means, how could Chill have killed SS (I know this from my game that I am playing, where Chill was replaced).

And by your wording, 'obviously' you know that you killed SS, not Chillbill.

Plus, if Chill even died that night (and SheNinja is following standard rules), then Chill shouldn't have even got a NK.
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So I was wrong that Chill killed SS and that there was another wolf? I'm not sure why that matters. And how did my wording suggest that I killed SS?

Fancy said:
But the whole time I was wholeheartedly following Luckyfire's idea. So, if I'm being blamed for not lynching Shocker and lynching an inactive instead, an attempt first done by Luckyfire; then the big picture is this: Luckyfire started an inactive lynch. The inactive changed, but we still continued with Luckyfire's inactive lynch just not the original designated person. So, therefore, Luckyfire should also be looked into, something you've avoided.

Just like her, I didn't really think we had credible evidence for Shocker and followed her idea. So, if I'm the follower, and Luckyfire originally endeavored to make an inactive lynch (which would still save Shocker, btw) I don't see why she isn't being looked at.

I agree and if Luckyfire hadn't claimed survivor before I'd noticed this, I would have looked more into her. But I think there's still sufficient evidence for you.

That's funny. Because claiming a "survivor" would allow her to play freely and join as many bandwagons as she can, which is commonly a wolf/mafia tactic. I bet wolves and mafia would like to do that! Also, the big thing is, why would she claim survivor without any pressure at all? She just claimed it and sudden suspicion over her fades as if it was never there. You think it must be right without any further investigation.

Seriously, if the goal was to be less noticeable then why would she openly tell us all that she is a survivor? Knowing that could very well get her killed during night if it is true. But, if isn't true, she is safe from lynching and werewolves or mafia depending on what team she may be a part of.

Good scum actually doesn't solely join bandwagons, they have a mixture, just as a townie would. She claimed it to assure a win as a survivor, and I think she did by announcing it (whether the town or a scum team wins, Luckyfire wins too). In fact, she would be less likely to be killed tonight because she claimed survivor, because she can side with the scum team.
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RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

stop calling me a man, i am a GIRL

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Anyways, for my defense to starting the inactive lynch: at the time, I didn't know who to vote for. Usually when I don't know who to vote, my strategy is to vote for a inactive. I had no idea that he was a seer. >_<
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Okay, since TheGuy requested we all go in on detail for accusations made against us, I'm going to do just that in this post.

Its Evaluation Time!

TheGuy said:
agree and if Luckyfire hadn't claimed survivor before I'd noticed this, I would have looked more into her. But I think there's still sufficient evidence for you.
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So, since we agree, that would mean I'm being voted strictly for joining in on Luckyfire's idea. I believe I explained the reasons for why I joined in; so we're at an impasse here if you still are intent on overlooking those reasons.

But, let me make this clear: How you replied earlier using me not originally starting it work in your argument... it's a cleverly enforced interpretation, and an example of circular thinking, not evidence. The only evidence is me joining the inactive lynch, which would be the only viable route to take if I didn't want to join in on lynching someone I thought was a townie.

Basically, "Him agreeing with Luckyfire about the inactive vote must make him a mafia," is the center of your argument. Even though, Luckyfire, the one who had the idea of the inactive lynch that would result in saving shocker, is cleared off your list for anything suspicious. You didn't even think she may be aligned with the scum team, she was just honestly cleared in your argument. She and I both had the same reasons for the inactive lynch, she wasn't sure who to lynch and I wasn't either. Simple as that. Key point, I think you would need more evidence than that to vote off someone. Sure, you can use WIFOM and interpretations, but they don't make the case, the evidence does and evidently no one is joining the lynch you're supporting. Is it because they see that lack of compelling evidence? Or maybe they just trust me as a townie.

TheGuy said:
Good scum actually doesn't solely join bandwagons, they have a mixture, just as a townie would. She claimed it to assure a win as a survivor, and I think she did by announcing it (whether the town or a scum team wins, Luckyfire wins too). In fact, she would be less likely to be killed tonight because she claimed survivor, because she can side with the scum team.
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I know they don't, one reason is because they don't have the freedom to. Find a bandwagoner, and you may find a scum, isn't that the reason you tried to lynch Shocker for? So, I don't see a reason as to why 'good scum' would use such a telltale tactic.

lately I've been thinking that joining a bandwagon that turns out to be scum/werewolves may not always clear you. Why? Because, one can easily: 1: Lynch someone on a different scum team than them. 2: turn on one of their own and clear their name and use that clearance for the remainder of the game. Wasn't TheGuy saying he "was cleared that he wasn't mafia" because of that bandwagon with Shocker? And also cleared for not being a wolf because he helped out TwistedTurtwig, an inactive?

Those things seem like things you can do deliberately to gain that clearance and bring it up when accused. Seeing as how you conveniently did, I'm not sure about that clearance. James, what do you think? Is the fact that I'm a new werewolf player showing? Or am I spot on about this clearance issue?

I'd even like to hear from you, Luckyfire. ^_^ Even though you claimed something different from townie, I would like to hear your thoughts too.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

First thing:

TheGuy with the wording~

Obviously Chillbill was scared of SS and how he got the mafia pretty quick
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Lets rephrase this with your name:

Obviously, TheGuy was scared of SS and how he got mafia pretty quick.

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It could be used either way, it works. But the thing is:

Chill didn't have access to Internet, you did. Second thing, how could you possibly know how SS died? Soldier could have died because the killer did RNG.

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And with the whole 'scared of SS and how he got mafia'. Serial Killer would also be scared. As they have a killing role, and cannot win unless they survive until THE VERY END. Unlike the town, mafia and wolf, you cannot win unless you yourself win. Which would get rid of some fear that the wolves had, especially considering the number of players alive at that point, compared to scum. This is because, scum can win even if only one of there players are alive.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Sheninja post #890. XD Dex entry ftw.

Making it official:

Voting: TheGuy
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

VOTE:TheGuy

I forgot that we had to Caps Lock abuse for this game. :p
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

And Drohn lol

You shouldn't be "like"ing posts but that one doesn't affect the game so I'll allow it.

DON'T "LIKE" POSTS IN THIS THREAD.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Whoa. That's 2 votes for TheGuy. I know my scum-radar was off yesterday with Shocker, so I won't really try to convince you to vote otherwise. But I'd at least like to hear from him again before we lynch him.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

I'd even like to hear from you, Luckyfire. ^_^ Even though you claimed something different from townie, I would like to hear your thoughts too.
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On which subject? If you were talking about TheGuy, I still dunno, even though he's accusing you of something I did (Wait a second, actually. Isn't what scum usually do...?). If you were talking about everyone, I have no idea who to vote for. And everyone's not inactive, too. ;-;

I'm also not voting for TheGuy because I don't want to risk lynching a potential townie and make everyone lose the game. Yeah, I know I'm an indie and all, but I'm just trying to help out here. I'm not interested in fame on the internet.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Luckyfire said:
I'm not interested in fame on the internet.
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I would ask if you are interested in the fortune, but you're lucky...which is a synonym for fortunate.

We gave TheGuy a lot to comment on and we still haven't heard back from him. After today, if we still haven't heard back, then I'll go ahead and place my vote.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)

Fancy,

I can understand your point of view now. But I can hope you understand why I clear Luckyfire. Her survivor claim just leads me to believe that she is an indie. I'd also like to agree with you that voting for/ supporting doesn't necessarily mean that someone is or is not mafia/wolf, but with most of my votes going for mafia and relentless support for their lynches on the majority of occasions, I think we can at least say I'm not apart of the mafia.

For now, I'll back off on my accusations and would like to entertain different ideas.

UNVOTE: Fancy

James86134 said:
First thing:

TheGuy with the wording~

Obviously Chillbill was scared of SS and how he got the mafia pretty quick
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Lets rephrase this with your name:

Obviously, TheGuy was scared of SS and how he got mafia pretty quick.

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It could be used either way, it works. But the thing is:

Chill didn't have access to Internet, you did. Second thing, how could you possibly know how SS died? Soldier could have died because the killer did RNG.

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And with the whole 'scared of SS and how he got mafia'. Serial Killer would also be scared. As they have a killing role, and cannot win unless they survive until THE VERY END. Unlike the town, mafia and wolf, you cannot win unless you yourself win. Which would get rid of some fear that the wolves had, especially considering the number of players alive at that point, compared to scum. This is because, scum can win even if only one of there players are alive.
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Honestly, this post doesn't make any sense at all. I tried to rationalize the ideas of who I thought was the last wolf and why they killed the person they killed. I don't think it's a crime to try to understand your opponent's actions. And why are you bringing up a serial killer? We know that Chillbill/ another wolf made that kill.

Finally, I want to pose you a question. If you thought that Chillbill had no access to the internet, so therefore there should have been no night kill and there was another wolf, why didn't you bring that up a day ago?
 
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