Finished Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (OVER)
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RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Indie doesn't automatically count as scum... It only does if you have a killing role.
That's why town wincons most of the time say something like 'Eliminate all threats'... Instead of 'Eliminate all scum'.
So at this point, Drohn I can't say anything about, since he has posted anything that could switch him to either side.
Fancy seems like the person who is most likely town
LuckyFire hasn't done anything... Incriminating. Although, she kind of just claimed Survivor.
TheGuy... To me, he seems like the biggest lead. He has been posting enough, joining wagons, voting to save himself and hasn't really helped town too much.
But I don't think he is scum. I instead think he has a Serial Killer role. He didn't have any relationship with any of the dead scum (except for wanting Shocker dead).
I'd like your opinion on others though... Fancy, how about you?
Indie doesn't automatically count as scum... It only does if you have a killing role.
That's why town wincons most of the time say something like 'Eliminate all threats'... Instead of 'Eliminate all scum'.
So at this point, Drohn I can't say anything about, since he has posted anything that could switch him to either side.
Fancy seems like the person who is most likely town
LuckyFire hasn't done anything... Incriminating. Although, she kind of just claimed Survivor.
TheGuy... To me, he seems like the biggest lead. He has been posting enough, joining wagons, voting to save himself and hasn't really helped town too much.
But I don't think he is scum. I instead think he has a Serial Killer role. He didn't have any relationship with any of the dead scum (except for wanting Shocker dead).
I'd like your opinion on others though... Fancy, how about you?
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
I can't say anything about Drohn. He only posted once, and I don't believe the one he replaced posted that much either.
I don't believe LuckyFire is scum, if she claimed survivor without knowing how it affected the town, it would seem a bit risky wouldn't it? I don't think a wolf/scum would claim such a thing unless he or she knew for sure that they were cleared off the suspicions list.
With you, I'm honestly unsure. I just recalled that you were seen suspicious, but try as I might, I can't remember the reasons for you being suspicious. That title you're using is obviously a joke, and puts off suspicion (at least for me); so honestly I'm still neutral. From what I recall you haven't done anything incriminating.
It's interesting that you think TheGuy has a serial killer role. He did seem influenced, I agree. But, he seemed to stick by those influences, and he was actually right and Shocker was a mafia member. So, from there I kinda started feeling as if he was a townie. But, I haven't read up on this thread recently and must've forgot the times when he tried to vote save himself. That seems weird.
But, brainstorming here, it's funny how Shocker got killed anyway; and he was the one we were originally going to lynch off. It just seems shocking how the werewolves would pick him instead of someone else. Is that a coincidence?
I can't say anything about Drohn. He only posted once, and I don't believe the one he replaced posted that much either.
I don't believe LuckyFire is scum, if she claimed survivor without knowing how it affected the town, it would seem a bit risky wouldn't it? I don't think a wolf/scum would claim such a thing unless he or she knew for sure that they were cleared off the suspicions list.
With you, I'm honestly unsure. I just recalled that you were seen suspicious, but try as I might, I can't remember the reasons for you being suspicious. That title you're using is obviously a joke, and puts off suspicion (at least for me); so honestly I'm still neutral. From what I recall you haven't done anything incriminating.
It's interesting that you think TheGuy has a serial killer role. He did seem influenced, I agree. But, he seemed to stick by those influences, and he was actually right and Shocker was a mafia member. So, from there I kinda started feeling as if he was a townie. But, I haven't read up on this thread recently and must've forgot the times when he tried to vote save himself. That seems weird.
But, brainstorming here, it's funny how Shocker got killed anyway; and he was the one we were originally going to lynch off. It just seems shocking how the werewolves would pick him instead of someone else. Is that a coincidence?
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
First thing:
When I stated he was voting to save himself, I meant he seemed desperate to finish a day, making sure he wasn't killed.
Second:
The mafia killed of three of the four wolves dead... Either the wolves want revenge and don't realise how much they need second kill OR
Someone is Serial Killer. Which also adds suspicion on top TheGuy. MtC and TheGuy were the only two who thought Shocker was Mafia...
Based on this and what I previously said,
VOTE: TheGuy
Fancy said:
First thing:
When I stated he was voting to save himself, I meant he seemed desperate to finish a day, making sure he wasn't killed.
Second:
The mafia killed of three of the four wolves dead... Either the wolves want revenge and don't realise how much they need second kill OR
Someone is Serial Killer. Which also adds suspicion on top TheGuy. MtC and TheGuy were the only two who thought Shocker was Mafia...
Based on this and what I previously said,
VOTE: TheGuy
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
I doubt TheGuy is going to vote for himself, and you and Fancy arent even considering voting... So?
Luckyfire said:
I doubt TheGuy is going to vote for himself, and you and Fancy arent even considering voting... So?
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Sorry I haven't been on today, first day of college craziness. I'm going to post a quick little defense now then come back with a full content post after I finish some homework.
The whole logic of saying, Person A wanted Person B lynched (and thought they were mafia), therefore they would kill them as a serial killer/ werewolf really doesn't work. If I were Serial Killer/ Werewolf why would I kill the person I thought was mafia? I would want more people dead, so I'd want to leave killing roles alive, specifically Shocker's. It wouldn't make any sense if I'd thought Shocker was mafia to kill him as a serial killer/ mafia.
Again, I'll post again in a couple of hours with more in depth defense/ my thoughts on who to lynch.
Sorry I haven't been on today, first day of college craziness. I'm going to post a quick little defense now then come back with a full content post after I finish some homework.
The whole logic of saying, Person A wanted Person B lynched (and thought they were mafia), therefore they would kill them as a serial killer/ werewolf really doesn't work. If I were Serial Killer/ Werewolf why would I kill the person I thought was mafia? I would want more people dead, so I'd want to leave killing roles alive, specifically Shocker's. It wouldn't make any sense if I'd thought Shocker was mafia to kill him as a serial killer/ mafia.
Again, I'll post again in a couple of hours with more in depth defense/ my thoughts on who to lynch.
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Oh, I thought that Mafias and Werewolves were killing each other, weren't they? They have separate win conditions and the town is getting small, relatively short. They have killed each other in the past nights, so I figure, why wouldn't they now? But that's just a interpretation of how things may have went and I certainly won't vote for you because of it (Not without evidence supporting the claim). There is one thing, however
Oh, I thought that Mafias and Werewolves were killing each other, weren't they? They have separate win conditions and the town is getting small, relatively short. They have killed each other in the past nights, so I figure, why wouldn't they now? But that's just a interpretation of how things may have went and I certainly won't vote for you because of it (Not without evidence supporting the claim). There is one thing, however
You haven't touched upon this. I'd very much like to hear your in-depth defense at least elaborate on that.James86134 said:
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, I worked on homework until I fell asleep last night. But I've got some time now, so here comes the defense and my thoughts on who to lynch today.
I will first give a summary of events of my votes and if they were bandwagony.
Day 5: My first post involves possible support for a lynch against twistedturtwig, who had been accused for being inactive. This contributes the clearing me of being wolf. After accusations my way and every direction I make the second vote for camoclone after Shocker. One vote isn't a bandwagon, so no bandwagon joining Day 5. In fact, I'd probably say my vote was one to start the bandwagon. If somewhat starting a vote is something you believe helps the town, then I believe I have helped the town.
Day 6: SoldiersSpirit enters the game and offers a great explanation for why Shocker and Haunted Water are scum. I support early after and am the second person (besides SoldiersSpirit) to vote for HW. Since I supported both then and continued to support them I believe that that clears me as Mafia.
Day 7: Instantly in my first post I vote for Shocker (And I'm second overall to do so). Again, not joining a bandwagon. As the day continues I continually attack Shocker, and am not willing to be foolish enough to vote for an active at such a late stage in the game.
I must say that not at any point in the game did I join any bandwagon, in fact, I only voted with the majority one more time than I did outside of it. Additionally, I'm not sure what "voting to save myself" is, I voted for who I thought were scum, and 2/3 times I was right. That's pretty good. And of course I don't want to die, whether townie, scum or a human in irl, you don't want to die.
And I must say that I completely disagree with the statement that I didn't really help the town much. I posted 11 times across 3 days, all with sustenance pushing towards a lynch that was backed up by evidence, and often turned out to be good lynches.
Now onto my thoughts on who to lynch on this most precious day.
Luckyfire: I tend to believe that he's a survivor. Though I guess he could be lying. It's a bit to risky imo to claim survivor.
Fancy: I believe that last day's last minute lynch was pushed by mafia to save Shocker. Since Shocker and Luckyfire and cleared in my mind, this leaves Fancy. In my opinion there is a large chance that Fancy is the last mafia.
VOTE: Fancy
James86134: This guy seems eager to attack me and seemed to be the same earlier. But I get this gut feeling he's a townie.
Drohn: Posts once, doesn't post again. I don't think I can say anything for or against him, but I believe that sort of behavior is the only thing I have to base him on. But I'm pretty sure that he's either the last wolf or a serial killer.
I'd hope you'd support my vote against Fancy guys, I'm almost certain he's the last mafia. I'm only 1/2 sure on Drohn as I can't completely trust Luckyfire.
Fancy said:
Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, I worked on homework until I fell asleep last night. But I've got some time now, so here comes the defense and my thoughts on who to lynch today.
I will first give a summary of events of my votes and if they were bandwagony.
Day 5: My first post involves possible support for a lynch against twistedturtwig, who had been accused for being inactive. This contributes the clearing me of being wolf. After accusations my way and every direction I make the second vote for camoclone after Shocker. One vote isn't a bandwagon, so no bandwagon joining Day 5. In fact, I'd probably say my vote was one to start the bandwagon. If somewhat starting a vote is something you believe helps the town, then I believe I have helped the town.
Day 6: SoldiersSpirit enters the game and offers a great explanation for why Shocker and Haunted Water are scum. I support early after and am the second person (besides SoldiersSpirit) to vote for HW. Since I supported both then and continued to support them I believe that that clears me as Mafia.
Day 7: Instantly in my first post I vote for Shocker (And I'm second overall to do so). Again, not joining a bandwagon. As the day continues I continually attack Shocker, and am not willing to be foolish enough to vote for an active at such a late stage in the game.
I must say that not at any point in the game did I join any bandwagon, in fact, I only voted with the majority one more time than I did outside of it. Additionally, I'm not sure what "voting to save myself" is, I voted for who I thought were scum, and 2/3 times I was right. That's pretty good. And of course I don't want to die, whether townie, scum or a human in irl, you don't want to die.
And I must say that I completely disagree with the statement that I didn't really help the town much. I posted 11 times across 3 days, all with sustenance pushing towards a lynch that was backed up by evidence, and often turned out to be good lynches.
Now onto my thoughts on who to lynch on this most precious day.
Luckyfire: I tend to believe that he's a survivor. Though I guess he could be lying. It's a bit to risky imo to claim survivor.
Fancy: I believe that last day's last minute lynch was pushed by mafia to save Shocker. Since Shocker and Luckyfire and cleared in my mind, this leaves Fancy. In my opinion there is a large chance that Fancy is the last mafia.
VOTE: Fancy
James86134: This guy seems eager to attack me and seemed to be the same earlier. But I get this gut feeling he's a townie.
Drohn: Posts once, doesn't post again. I don't think I can say anything for or against him, but I believe that sort of behavior is the only thing I have to base him on. But I'm pretty sure that he's either the last wolf or a serial killer.
I'd hope you'd support my vote against Fancy guys, I'm almost certain he's the last mafia. I'm only 1/2 sure on Drohn as I can't completely trust Luckyfire.
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
So, because I decided not to lynch Shocker and started an inactive lynch, I must be the last mafia? It wasn't even my idea in the first place, it was Luckyfire's; she had voted for an inactive that had gotten replaced by an active, so I decided to follow up and lead a vote on the only inactive at the time, that being Nengeni.
Don't know if this will make any of you believe me, but I claim Vanilla Townie. I hinted at it in a earlier post as well.
So, because I decided not to lynch Shocker and started an inactive lynch, I must be the last mafia? It wasn't even my idea in the first place, it was Luckyfire's; she had voted for an inactive that had gotten replaced by an active, so I decided to follow up and lead a vote on the only inactive at the time, that being Nengeni.
Don't know if this will make any of you believe me, but I claim Vanilla Townie. I hinted at it in a earlier post as well.
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Tbh, my vote against TheGuy was legitimately a pressure, vote with a bit of WIFOM on top of the cake.
But after a HUGE wall of defence against a single vote... Just, no.
I'm keeping my vote on you.
You just needed to say, I have not joined any bandwagons in the game. And my vote would have tumbled over.
Then you go and (sorta) OMGUS by voting Fancy, the person who was next going to vote you...
Tbh, my vote against TheGuy was legitimately a pressure, vote with a bit of WIFOM on top of the cake.
But after a HUGE wall of defence against a single vote... Just, no.
I'm keeping my vote on you.
You just needed to say, I have not joined any bandwagons in the game. And my vote would have tumbled over.
Then you go and (sorta) OMGUS by voting Fancy, the person who was next going to vote you...
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Honestly, I wrote it all down because I didn't remember it, I had to look it all up again. Well, regardless of pressure, at this point in the game with only five people anyone can be suspected, I think it's important to for everyone to go in detail on any kind of accusation against them because it's always better to know more about people.Which makes me suspect Drohn and the little that he's posted.
But besides the point, I didn't at all OMGUS Fancy, in fact, when I first thought about looking into everyone I was leaning towards a Drohn lynch, but then I realized the lateness of the Nengeni lynch and my thoughts shifted focus. Into the mind of the last mafia member. Day 6 is nearing its end with only two votes leading the charge against your scum buddy. You find that you can get Luckyfire by voting for an inactive, thus achieving three votes, yourself, Lucky, and Shocker, saving Shocker. The logic is simple, and it could only be done by Fancy. It even helps my argument that Lucky started the idea because it assured Fancy that there would be a third person to support the lynch. It seems like a slip to me, and slips seem to be so much more credible this late in the game as scum members see a win so close in their grasp.
Honestly, I wrote it all down because I didn't remember it, I had to look it all up again. Well, regardless of pressure, at this point in the game with only five people anyone can be suspected, I think it's important to for everyone to go in detail on any kind of accusation against them because it's always better to know more about people.Which makes me suspect Drohn and the little that he's posted.
But besides the point, I didn't at all OMGUS Fancy, in fact, when I first thought about looking into everyone I was leaning towards a Drohn lynch, but then I realized the lateness of the Nengeni lynch and my thoughts shifted focus. Into the mind of the last mafia member. Day 6 is nearing its end with only two votes leading the charge against your scum buddy. You find that you can get Luckyfire by voting for an inactive, thus achieving three votes, yourself, Lucky, and Shocker, saving Shocker. The logic is simple, and it could only be done by Fancy. It even helps my argument that Lucky started the idea because it assured Fancy that there would be a third person to support the lynch. It seems like a slip to me, and slips seem to be so much more credible this late in the game as scum members see a win so close in their grasp.
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
While the logic is simple, it can also be seen as WIFOM. At that point in the game, had Fancy even read the thread in such depth that he could realise how influenced Lucky could be...
TheGuy said:
While the logic is simple, it can also be seen as WIFOM. At that point in the game, had Fancy even read the thread in such depth that he could realise how influenced Lucky could be...
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Voting for an inactive seemed better than voting for someone I thought would be a townie. That's why I unvoted Shocker. --I'm still worried about three kills happening, if a townie gets lynched right now, it could put us at a setback. That's why I've been really careful with my vote.
We have five people. From what I gathered from one of James' post, out of that five are two or three scum/werewolves. Meaning we only have two or three townies. And three kills (The lynch and 2 night kills) seems dangerous for the town. Killing me would result in a loss of a townie, but I don't know how to prove that without me dying.
Voting for an inactive seemed better than voting for someone I thought would be a townie. That's why I unvoted Shocker. --I'm still worried about three kills happening, if a townie gets lynched right now, it could put us at a setback. That's why I've been really careful with my vote.
We have five people. From what I gathered from one of James' post, out of that five are two or three scum/werewolves. Meaning we only have two or three townies. And three kills (The lynch and 2 night kills) seems dangerous for the town. Killing me would result in a loss of a townie, but I don't know how to prove that without me dying.
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
Breakdown of the next two days and tonight.
Today:
We either lynch Fancy or TheGuy (this is based off of current votes)
With the odds of 2/5 Not Town, the odds are pretty good that one of these guys is not town.
Tonight:
With the lynch today, only four players are still alive (five if we do no lynch).
If we don't kill one of the the remaining SK/WOLF/MAFIA (two of these are currently alive), then two kills happen.
Tomorrow:
If we have two NKs tonight, then only two players will be alive tomorrow (three depending on whether or not we do No Lynch today). One or two of those players will be scum.
From what I gather with the Mafia/Wolf wincons, and the past nights...
Mafia and Wolves are threats to each other.
So that means only one can possibly win. I think this is why they have been trying to kill each other.
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So, 2/5 of us are not town. One is WOLF/MAFIA (otherwise, the game would have ended) and the other is WHICHEVER SCUM TEAM ISNT THE ONE ABOVE^/SK
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I have my vote, and I'm holding it.
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The remaining players~
TheGuy~
As I've said before, I get a strong SK vibe from him. Although this could be circular thinking, he has the strongest chance of being non-town.
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Fancy~
I'm unsure. After what TheGuy said, it makes me unsure about his alignment. The only reason why I'm not voting Fancy, is because I'm more confident about TheGuy.
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Drohn~
Tbh, no one has an opinion on him lol. He has two posts, one saying hes wolf, the other saying ignore that.
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LuckyFire~
Easily influenced. This could mean one of two things, Indie (which she has claimed) or just a bandwagoner. She led the rand against our Seer... But how could she possibly know that?
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At this point, its up to Fancy and Lucky since Drohn more or less isnt paying attention.
Breakdown of the next two days and tonight.
Today:
We either lynch Fancy or TheGuy (this is based off of current votes)
With the odds of 2/5 Not Town, the odds are pretty good that one of these guys is not town.
Tonight:
With the lynch today, only four players are still alive (five if we do no lynch).
If we don't kill one of the the remaining SK/WOLF/MAFIA (two of these are currently alive), then two kills happen.
Tomorrow:
If we have two NKs tonight, then only two players will be alive tomorrow (three depending on whether or not we do No Lynch today). One or two of those players will be scum.
From what I gather with the Mafia/Wolf wincons, and the past nights...
Mafia and Wolves are threats to each other.
So that means only one can possibly win. I think this is why they have been trying to kill each other.
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So, 2/5 of us are not town. One is WOLF/MAFIA (otherwise, the game would have ended) and the other is WHICHEVER SCUM TEAM ISNT THE ONE ABOVE^/SK
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I have my vote, and I'm holding it.
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The remaining players~
TheGuy~
As I've said before, I get a strong SK vibe from him. Although this could be circular thinking, he has the strongest chance of being non-town.
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Fancy~
I'm unsure. After what TheGuy said, it makes me unsure about his alignment. The only reason why I'm not voting Fancy, is because I'm more confident about TheGuy.
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Drohn~
Tbh, no one has an opinion on him lol. He has two posts, one saying hes wolf, the other saying ignore that.
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LuckyFire~
Easily influenced. This could mean one of two things, Indie (which she has claimed) or just a bandwagoner. She led the rand against our Seer... But how could she possibly know that?
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At this point, its up to Fancy and Lucky since Drohn more or less isnt paying attention.
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
I don't think it can be a WIFOM this late in the game. If it is a WIFOM, then the last mafia is either myself, you, or Drohn. And I think we can both agree that neither me nor you are the last mafia. That leaves just Drohn as the only possibility if it's not Fancy. And since I was thinking Drohn might be the Serial Killer/ Wolf, that's why I lean towards Fancy.
The only other person I can imagine voting for today is Drohn, I think there's less of a case against him, but there certainly is one.
Basically, w
James86134 said:
I don't think it can be a WIFOM this late in the game. If it is a WIFOM, then the last mafia is either myself, you, or Drohn. And I think we can both agree that neither me nor you are the last mafia. That leaves just Drohn as the only possibility if it's not Fancy. And since I was thinking Drohn might be the Serial Killer/ Wolf, that's why I lean towards Fancy.
The only other person I can imagine voting for today is Drohn, I think there's less of a case against him, but there certainly is one.
Basically, w
RE: Werewolf XVII II: The Greatest Idea (Day 8)(D/L 8/25)
I'm not a wolf. I joined a bit too late to have an opinion on anyone to be honest. Voting TheGuy because his avatar looks most wolf-like. Yes, beat this argumentation, I dare you.
Nothing personal TheGuy! <3
Edit: Oh, since we're allowed to say what we are, I'm a priest. Vote me and God will avenge me.
Also, second edit: I might change my vote. This is not final.
I'm not a wolf. I joined a bit too late to have an opinion on anyone to be honest. Voting TheGuy because his avatar looks most wolf-like. Yes, beat this argumentation, I dare you.
Nothing personal TheGuy! <3
Edit: Oh, since we're allowed to say what we are, I'm a priest. Vote me and God will avenge me.
Also, second edit: I might change my vote. This is not final.
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