Finished Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Game Over! A winner is PMJ and RogueChomp

[Haunted Water]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

James, I would like to know why you want to know my reasons. My vote for sheninja is the first time I did not have any solid reason.
I don't give out many of my reasons because that's like telling your enemies your plan of attack. If I vote somebody who turns scum, and if I have previously noticed many connections between them and a couple of other players, I'm not going to mention that. If I end up right, I may turn up dead in the morning. Secrecy is weapon that can be used by both sides.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

James, I would like to know why you want to know my reasons. My vote for sheninja is the first time I did not have any solid reason.
I don't give out many of my reasons because that's like telling your enemies your plan of attack. If I vote somebody who turns scum, and if I have previously noticed many connections between them and a couple of other players, I'm not going to mention that. If I end up right, I may turn up dead in the morning. Secrecy is weapon that can be used by both sides.

... Your plan of attack? So, what you're saying is: I can do anything and just say 'SECRECY IS THE KEY!'

Well, have fun with that, I suppose. The reason why I want to know your reasons are: because otherwise, I automatically think you're just a mindless bandwagoner, especially when you just go along with the crowd and don't really add anything.

You just going, VOTE: Someone, I can't say, its secret. Doesn't help us. It just adds a vote that e have to end up preventing if SheNinja ends up building a solid defence.

Look at everyone else, they explain their reasons. Its just you, and Camo who don't. The difference is You actually vote, Camo actually gives some kind of discussion.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Adding on to ^^^

These were your first four posts in the thread, Red Rain:

1. Because of this, out of pure fear
##VOTE: PMJ

2. I went back and reread while not half asleep.
##UNVOTE: PMJ

3. He's Cult Leader is he not?

4. Maybe he wants you to think that. Being two-faced is a weapon for the scum to utilize.

In the first, you vote for 'pure fear', then you unvote. You act like a mindless bandwagoner who voted the wrong person, and didn't give an actual reason as to why you voted PMJ. Afterwards, you ask a question that clearly shows you haven't read the thread properly (if at all, at that time). And in your fourth post, you just reply to Tokyo (I believe) saying that something is a weapon. You barely add discussion to the thread.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Just to keep the ball rolling, LETS ASK SOME QUESTIONS!

1) What is your opinion on Camo taking the initiative and making two seperate Chats, one for everyone, and the other for 'skilled' players. If he stated "more skilled players" in the chat then I think it is a bit arrogant, and I'll plainly come out and say it, but other than that, not exactly scummy to me. I mean, it wasn't like he was sowing the seeds of deception, was he?

2) Do you think that if someone was to do the same thing now, during Day 2, it would be scummy? Not really. I mean, if you wanted to talk to a select group of people to get their opinions on things, I don't see how it is scummy in that regard. In my opinion, it's just playing the game.

3) Who is your main priority to get rid of, Wolf, or Cult? My main priority? I've never played in a game with Cult in it, and I'm not too sure I understand how it works, but yeah. If the Cult is how dangerous as PMJ is saying, then I'd say punch 'em in the kidney first because from what I'm hearing, they're pretty dangerous. I could be wrong, but I haven't played in a game with that specific role yet so I'm still a newbie to this whole cult thing.

4) Do you think SheNinja is town/scum/cult/indie and why? I'm not sure on any parts of it. Pretty much all of the people stated how loud and boisterous he was and how silent he is now. I'm not so sold on that bandwagon. It's not that I'm protecting people, which I've been accused of doing nigh every game I've been in, but I simply do not believe in that lynch yet.

Me, Grimlock's answers in bold.

Camo is not confirmed VT, he s only confirmed VT if you know him to not be on your team scum! The fact that you are defending him however is pretty clever though. Either you're sheeping a confirmed townie because you're scum or you re trying to defend camo and make him seem confirmed. I honestly trust no one when I play, that's my mindset.

I've won a game because the town blindly followed the seer around because my team had a god father. Don t assume...especially since we still have a seer. I agree entirely. But hitting the Godfather N1 is kind of a OIAM (one in a million) shot, isn't it?

Don't hate the player hate the game. I understand your guys meta to not be Mafiascum but if you want to play a laxed version of WW/Mafia, I suggest you start playing candyland online if they have such a thing. What are you even trying to...? Listen, all I'm saying is that even though your Werewolf is super competitive, it doesn't mean that ours is. Lay off.

On the matter of real life, we all have lives (I Hope). We all know how much time we'll have for various things. Except the occasional unexpected thinngs that may pop up... I'm not discrediting Teal for not having time. I laid my case out on four arms and teal already, teals last statement just solidified my opinion. It's the way teal said what she? he said ...read between the lines guys...

@Blui, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if two inactives were non townie...so yea, there is scum in there...you have a piint to your question or you actually going to be of use and scumhunt? I haven't seen you do any...

@Four arms, you role fished and now you're continuing the role fishing, stop. You're scum I get it. Me withholding info is a big scumtell? Hah! You'll have to do better than that to get rid of me without nking me. I get you're scumhunting, I really do, but last game Camoclone was policy lynched because he was doing the thing you're doing but toned down, so I'd be more careful when it comes to calling every person out there scum. I mean, jeez. It's actually starting to get out of hand.

FYI scum, I doubt my arguments find way into majority of the player base here and if there is a cult that can recruit every night than we're at a severe disadvantage. Lynching Sheninja doesn't make sense in my head and if he flips town we could be in MYLO.

Oh and I will be giving my item away since I found the right persin to give it to

Again, in bold!

EBWOP, scum team consists but may not be limited to...

Raichu Girl
Kecleon-X
Tokyotoots
And if sheninja flips town: Four Arms and Teal

Ive outline cases on all of the if you wish to iso me since im paranoid. That fyi scum part was a warning to scum pkayers btw, I will be taking things into my own hands during this night and the next.

Please do. I'd like to know what makes you think that I am a wolf, please.

EBWOP, scum team consists but may not be limited to...

Raichu Girl
Kecleon-X
Tokyotoots
And if sheninja flips town: Four Arms and Teal

Ive outline cases on all of them if you wish to iso me since im paranoid. That fyi scum part was a warning to scum pkayers btw, I will be taking things into my own hands during this night and the next.

*Sigh* How hard of a concept is it?? If you have cases on them, post them. Tell us why these people are scummy. You and Camo constantly do this thing where you say: "these people are scummy. I have good cases on all of them, go read my posts." How hard is it to actually put your thoughts in one post for people to see? Explain your reasoning for the people who don't want to look over hundreds of posts again to find every single thing you've said about everyone.

I want my like button rights back...

Lol what are you talking about? Who haven't I posted a case against? If I say I've outlined cases on people that means that somewhere down the line I have done this hard concept of posting my thoughts on why they are scum. Answer me this...who out of that list have I blatantly called out as scum and haven't posted why?

Quote me or it didn't happen.

YES!!!!! Look back at posts, that's what you do in this game, you analyze posts/patterns/connections on your own first to help your faction, then you go from there. Honestly, I'm not going to quote my posts everytime someone asks when they can just iso me and find it themselves instead of looking throw each post. It's not hard...

This is NOT a hard concept to grasp, I will hold hands if need be but I will not play the game for you as well. If you aren't capable of reading on your own then I don't know what to tell you.

Before your post, I was stuck on my reads but in the back of my mind I thought, they re either dead on or completely wrong, now...i don t even know what to think because people don't even want to play own their own. Other people have to play for them.

Hell, half the sheninja wagon are votes from people that bandwagoned. Notthe good kind either, I bet if you asked them why is sheninja scummy they will say " UMMMM CUZ THAT,GUY SAID THIS AND I THINK THAT COULD BE TRUE SO I HAVE TO USE MY VOTE AND WE NEED A LYNCH ON SOMEBODY AMIRIGHT?"

I don't even wanna hear it. Town, this is me telling you to step it up, reread posts from previous day(s) and see what doesn't add up or you will lose. I will be killing someone tonight who I think is scum, spoiler that...

So here's what this post accomplishes:

Flaming SillyKyle
Insulting someone who asked a legitimate question
Insulting the players of this game
Insulting them a second time the next paragraph
Insulting them a third time the next paragraph
Insulting the town once more in the final paragraph

 

[Haunted Water]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Adding on to ^^^

These were your first four posts in the thread, Red Rain:

1. Because of this, out of pure fear
##VOTE: PMJ

2. I went back and reread while not half asleep.
##UNVOTE: PMJ

3. He's Cult Leader is he not?

4. Maybe he wants you to think that. Being two-faced is a weapon for the scum to utilize.

In the first, you vote for 'pure fear', then you unvote. You act like a mindless bandwagoner who voted the wrong person, and didn't give an actual reason as to why you voted PMJ. Afterwards, you ask a question that clearly shows you haven't read the thread properly (if at all, at that time). And in your fourth post, you just reply to Tokyo (I believe) saying that something is a weapon. You barely add discussion to the thread.

Oh god, you are so cute when you take things out of context.

1. There was a quote there. I trusted I didn't have to explain anything.

2. See above.

3. That was asking for clarity on a subject that I was having a hard time understanding, you tool.

4. Giving a reasoning to something.


Wth is any of this your concern?

 

[SoldiersSpirit]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Take it how you want it, I'm not going to play the game for you.

If you can't simply search my name for this thread only and look at my posts to find something that only you need then yes, you are a bad player. A decent pkayer understands the objective and rules of a game. A bad player will ask the same questions over and over even when they've been either answered or can be answered by look FOR YOURSELF.

So yes, you are a bad player if you want another person to play this game for you. Next....

Sheninja is town and this is a dumb lynch. Tokyotoots or raichugirl should be the lynch for today. I wouldn't even mind lynching a lurker.

 

[SoldiersSpirit]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Looking* for yourself.

My post on the last page explaining that half the people on the sheninja wagon dont even,know why they're voting him was just proven. See red rains post lol, just lol.

At this point, I might forget my alignment and think something other than what I am. That's how off my reads are right now lol.

 

[DNA]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

I understand your guys meta to not be Mafiascum

And we like it that way, and want to keep it that way. There is absolutely no reason to get worked up over a game.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

I understand your guys meta to not be Mafiascum but if you want to play a laxed version of WW/Mafia, I suggest you start playing candyland online if they have such a thing.

I understand that you are used to an edgier more competitive style of Werewolf, but to come to a forum where a more casual style is enjoyed and then suggest that we change to your ways is just wrong.

Anyway, I actually think SheNinja is a good lynch based on the fact that he's totally flip-flopped his playstyle, but I don't want to vote as to avoid an L-1 this early when we can get more discussion in.

 

[Haunted Water]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Real quick, I may not be online until Sunday or Monday.
I have work 11 - 4 tomorrow and some Skyrim to catch up on, then I have homecoming with my gf Saturday, which will take up my entire day, and I work 11 - 4 Sunday, so I may be able to come back on that day.
I'm just leaving this here in case SS wants to call me scum because I'm living my real life and so you guys know that I'll actually be away and not lurking.

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

SS, I took the the time to iso you, and looked back through all of your previous posts in the thread. The only players I was able to find that you had a case on were Teal/MtC, and TokyoToots, and to be honest, they were both fairly weak. Your "scum list" isn't as well researched as you're claiming it to be, unless you have information that you're withholding from us.

As for SheNinja, he still seems the scummiest out of the candidates for today, and I see no reason to change my vote.

 

[SoldiersSpirit]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

I give up lol. Every czse can't be golden and spot on, the scum do play to try not to get lynched you know?

Game theory peepes, game theory. The smallest tell can give a person away. I pointed out multiple from different people. I'm not worked up honestly, I find it amusing actually. Games like this, I just cant wait to read the faction/dead chats to see what was said. I also gambited to confirm or deny teals and four arms affiliation. Which will be a success if they are scum and then what?

I can understand a lax meta and im not saying change to mafiascum lol. I m saying, play the game how it is supposed to be played. A $5/$10 hold em player isn't going to sit down at a $250/$500 table and expect it to be the same, but I bet both class of players now what hand beats what.

Someone post a meaty case giving at least 2 valid points as to why Sheninja is super scummy and maybe ill see your guys way. After all you don't need my vote to lynch him but I at least would like to see a solid case.

Can I ask a serious quest for all you "casual" players...do you play to lose? There's a difference between not caring if you lose or win compared to signing up for a game to not try and win. If that's the case why play? Sorry but I like to try and fulfill my win conditions...

 

[DNA]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Hah! You sound like Eagle4. He asked me the exact same thing - do I play to win?
The answer is no, I don't - because it's impossible for me to win. I play to have fun, first and foremost.

But that doesn't mean I am not going to help out. I can help out the rest of the town with the info I get, and that's how I choose to play.

As for SheNinja, the bit that he isn't acting his usual self is one point. The fact that he's going after me for half-baked reasons is another. He states I haven't really proved myself or my role, but I've been nothing but open about it. I've stated my findings, almost immediately after the day starts, and still he doubts me.

I didn't want to vote for him day 1 because I didn't see him as that big of a threat, but he appears to be stepping up his game a little now. I will warn you, SoldiersSpirit, that sticking up for SheNinja was probably your biggest mistake. Once SheNinja is lynched, and if his alignment turns out to not be town, you will be under suspicion next.

Just a word of warning. I wouldn't want you to die too early for a possible lapse in judgment.

 

[Professor Palutena]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Hah! You sound like Eagle4. He asked me the exact same thing - do I play to win?
The answer is no, I don't - because it's impossible for me to win. I play to have fun, first and foremost.

Fair warning. I'm debating on subbing you out for this.

11. Play to win. But don't make the game less enjoyable to other people.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

SS, I took the the time to iso you, and looked back through all of your previous posts in the thread. The only players I was able to find that you had a case on were Teal/MtC, and TokyoToots, and to be honest, they were both fairly weak. Your "scum list" isn't as well researched as you're claiming it to be, unless you have information that you're withholding from us.

You know... From a gameplay standpoint, there is something I've noticed about SoldiersSpirit. By never putting his reasoning in one post and making posts few and far between, he has made it difficult for anyone to counter him by using the reasoning "quote me or it didn't happen", which I've noticed that he uses quite often. He can basically do whatever he wants and get away with it because he doesn't put his reasoning in his posts, and no one wants to read through 50-100+ posts to find a paragraph. From a gameplay standpoint, it's rather ingenious.

@SS: That's an interesting metaphor. When a big-time poker player who plays with millions on the line comes to a small get-together one weekend where people are using pennies as the pot, isn't it his responsibility -- no, his duty -- to play small game with them instead of insisting that they play with their lifetime earnings?

And we all play to win; we just want to have fun while doing it.

 

[SoldiersSpirit]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Important post coming that people asked for. Finally right?

But first, me defending scum does not mean im scum so ill kill that right there. I don't know anyones alignment but that doesn't mean I don't have reads on people. My read is sheninja isn't scum and I haven't seen a good case as to why he is scum point blank.

First point, sheninja is acting weirdly or differently. The only way I would see this as credible evidence is if someone posted that and then compared sheninjas roles and the playstyle for each role. Then compared as to how he duffered with each one and if sheninja plays the way hes playing now, I would've been the second to third vote on him. Alas, I have not, its all speculation and quick judgments. This is how PR s get lynched easily everyone. When you're used to playing a certain way with mediocre roles, then when you get an important one, players tend to shy away from drawing attention.

Your other points aren't great but ill go bsck and look at sheninjas posts concerning you DNA.

Twistedturtwig, I hope you didn't read what you wanted to...

Scum #1: Kecleon-X

Post #232is where I point out that if tokyotoots flips scum, kecleom is likely scum because of his defensive post for toots. Hence why I still have them on the same list.

Post #642 "I am leaning towards a sheninja lynch because everyone else voted him. I'm not convinced, but sheninja lurked. (which he hasn't compared to many others, see post #641 for astras votals with 10 other people less active so yea...) What has sheninja done other than lurk?"

^Quoted from kecleon but a few words changed to show how I interpreted it. So what he is saying is, he's leaning towards a lynch that you are against and that you yourself question? Sounds logical, better yet...sounds scummy.

Teal/Four Arms:
Post #622 sums it up. Not to mention that four arms has been role fishing ever since, curious to see the point of my gambit with him and his scum buddy.

Raichugirl:
Post #629. To put it simply, no scum hunting and mindless bandwagoning usually = scum 80% of the time.

So sillykyle, twistedturtwig, and kecleon...tell me again how I say "x person is scummy" without posting a case. Like I said before don't say anything when you don't know what you're talking about. Holds your hands in hope that you don't miss this like everything else you won't go back to look at.

We'll talk game state post game DNA but you do sign up for games to have fun that you enjoy, there is however, no point in playing something when you have no intention of actually playing it is all im saying.

 

[SoldiersSpirit]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Kecleon, im not trying to tell people what style the should play. Im asking that the players actually play. Me quoting something THAT YOU YOURSELF can find because YOU want to know is me playing the game for YOU. Something that I will NOT do, I have to play for myself already lol no?

So while the highstakes roller may clean out the penny boys, they all know how to play poker at the end of the day. The highstakes player doesnt show the other players 1 of his 2 whole cards to give them info they should figure out on their own.

 

[Guts]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Hi. University started yesterday and I can't find motivation to play right now. I won't sub out since we will run out of subs anyway but I probably won't feel motivated enough to read & post until like Friday. Sorry. :c

PS.: With the info I have atm I would just continue with the SheNinja lynch if that helps.

Scum. You have no desire to play but you mention you have no problem lynching who you know is town aligned instead of scum hunting?

Spoiler

That being said, I don't really understand the SheNinja lynch either. His role seemed pretty convincing, despite how odd he's been acting.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

^I'm sure his claim is legit, but I'm almost just as sure that he's not town-aligned.

 

[SoldiersSpirit]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Nice of you to join us some loser, I'll just drop an lol and guess you didn't see what I saw in teals post eh?
I'll also assume you didn't read my post explaining it ..im done, see you guys next game day.