Finished Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Game Over! A winner is PMJ and RogueChomp

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Nice of you to join us some loser, I'll just drop an lol and guess you didn't see what I saw in teals post eh?
I'll also assume you didn't read my post explaining it ..im done, see you guys next game day.
 
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SoldiersSpirit said:
Important post coming that people asked for. Finally right?

But first, me defending scum does not mean im scum so ill kill that right there. I don't know anyones alignment but that doesn't mean I don't have reads on people. My read is sheninja isn't scum and I haven't seen a good case as to why he is scum point blank.

First point, sheninja is acting weirdly or differently. The only way I would see this as credible evidence is if someone posted that and then compared sheninjas roles and the playstyle for each role. Then compared as to how he duffered with each one and if sheninja plays the way hes playing now, I would've been the second to third vote on him. Alas, I have not, its all speculation and quick judgments. This is how PR s get lynched easily everyone. When you're used to playing a certain way with mediocre roles, then when you get an important one, players tend to shy away from drawing attention.

Your other points aren't great but ill go bsck and look at sheninjas posts concerning you DNA.

Twistedturtwig, I hope you didn't read what you wanted to...

Scum #1: Kecleon-X

Post #232is where I point out that if tokyotoots flips scum, kecleom is likely scum because of his defensive post for toots. Hence why I still have them on the same list.
SoldiersSpirit said:
But first, me defending scum does not mean im scum so ill kill that right there.
^Oh the irony. Anyway, I'm defending him because I don't believe he's done anything wrong. Look at the last few games I've been in. I do this all the time. I don't know what you and he have been talking about in a thread outside of this one, so I wouldn't know if he was acting like a wolf or not. It's just that here, I didn't believe he was scum.

Post #642 "I am leaning towards a sheninja lynch because everyone else voted him. I'm not convinced, but sheninja lurked. (which he hasn't compared to many others, see post #641 for astras votals with 10 other people less active so yea...) What has sheninja done other than lurk?" I do bandwagon occasionally. I'll come out and say it. Does this make me guilty any more than anyone else on the SheNinja bandwagon? No. And did I ever jump on the SheNinja bandwagon after I said that? No. Yes, you changed it to what you read, which was not what I was trying to convey. I saw -- and still see, for that matter -- the SheNinja wagon anything but unavoidable at that -- and this -- point. I still was not convinced.

^Quoted from kecleon but a few words changed to show how I interpreted it. So what he is saying is, he's leaning towards a lynch that you are against and that you yourself question? Sounds logical, better yet...sounds scummy. When someone is unsure about a decision which he saw an inevitable one, don't you think it would be wise to information gather? Oh wait; I did that at the end of the post in question.

Teal/Four Arms:
Post #622 sums it up. Not to mention that four arms has been role fishing ever since, curious to see the point of my gambit with him and his scum buddy.

Raichugirl:
Post #629. To put it simply, no scum hunting and mindless bandwagoning usually = scum 80% of the time.

So sillykyle, twistedturtwig, and kecleon...tell me again how I say "x person is scummy" without posting a case. Like I said before don't say anything when you don't know what you're talking about. Holds your hands in hope that you don't miss this like everything else you won't go back to look at. Never mind the fact that it is pretty much an unwritten rule of the WW player to post his/her logic when voting.

We'll talk game state post game DNA but you do sign up for games to have fun that you enjoy, there is however, no point in playing something when you have no intention of actually playing it is all im saying.

SoldiersSpirit said:
Kecleon, im not trying to tell people what style the should play. Im asking that the players actually play. Me quoting something THAT YOU YOURSELF can find because YOU want to know is me playing the game for YOU. Something that I will NOT do, I have to play for myself already lol no? Don't you think it is the duty of those who vote to post their logic? And when questioned about it not to explode in someone's face and say that they're wolves as well as actually comply and explain your logic?

So while the highstakes roller may clean out the penny boys, they all know how to play poker at the end of the day. The highstakes player doesnt show the other players 1 of his 2 whole cards to give them info they should figure out on their own. That may be case, however, that is not my point.
 
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I sti have no case on me to rebut...
 
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I'm agreeing with everyone? How is that even possible when a lot of people have strongly conflicting opinions in this game. It is literally impossible for me to agree with everyone. I do think that if SheNinja flips as scum/cult, Tokyotoots is scum/cult, just because he voted with sheninja way too easily and without proper or really any reason.

Actually I never voted sheninja, i voted roguechomp.
 
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Kecleon-X said:
And we all play to win; we just want to have fun while doing it.
Which is good.

However, to have fun without caring about your win con is something I have a problem with. Playing to screw over other people of your win condition quite simply sucks and I don't want you in my game if you're going to do that.

Ideally we all play to win and have fun winning. But that's not the most likely scenario, unfortunately.
 
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Kecleon-X said:
You know... From a gameplay standpoint, there is something I've noticed about SoldiersSpirit. By never putting his reasoning in one post and making posts few and far between, he has made it difficult for anyone to counter him by using the reasoning "quote me or it didn't happen", which I've noticed that he uses quite often. He can basically do whatever he wants and get away with it because he doesn't put his reasoning in his posts, and no one wants to read through 50-100+ posts to find a paragraph. From a gameplay standpoint, it's rather ingenious.

Nobody does that kind of thing on purpose, although if anyone did, it'd by Soldier's Spirit.

Play to win and if you lose, at least you had fun.
 
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Red Rain said:
James86134 said:
Adding on to ^^^

These were your first four posts in the thread, Red Rain:

1. Because of this, out of pure fear
##VOTE: PMJ

2. I went back and reread while not half asleep.
##UNVOTE: PMJ

3. He's Cult Leader is he not?

4. Maybe he wants you to think that. Being two-faced is a weapon for the scum to utilize.

In the first, you vote for 'pure fear', then you unvote. You act like a mindless bandwagoner who voted the wrong person, and didn't give an actual reason as to why you voted PMJ. Afterwards, you ask a question that clearly shows you haven't read the thread properly (if at all, at that time). And in your fourth post, you just reply to Tokyo (I believe) saying that something is a weapon. You barely add discussion to the thread.

Oh god, you are so cute when you take things out of context.

1. There was a quote there. I trusted I didn't have to explain anything.

2. See above.

3. That was asking for clarity on a subject that I was having a hard time understanding, you tool.

4. Giving a reasoning to something.


Wth is any of this your concern?

I'm a tool for interpreting something? You just did a Camoclone.

And its my concern because I'd like every player adding to the game, instead of just doing anything and saying something to the effect of 'Here's my weapon, its not telling anything ever, and just doing something, so let me doo it! KTHX'.

This isn't adding discussion to the game, and you're reason for doing it is 'So I can keep alive if I'm right. Well, isn't that selfish? Instead of helping the rest of the town, you decide to keep it to yourself.

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Grant, mind answering my question. You come on and simply say 'His case is legit, buts its not legit'.

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It's nice and all that we have like 1 lurker, but when some of us are bandwagoning, not adding discussion, keeping to themselves, only reading what they want to and just using bad logic.
 
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I'm sticking to my vote on tt for now.
 
RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

Vote parking is anti town this late in the day.

I am sure that grantm does not know what the word "scummy" means.
 
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SoldiersSpirit said:
First point, sheninja is acting weirdly or differently. The only way I would see this as credible evidence is if someone posted that and then compared sheninjas roles and the playstyle for each role. Then compared as to how he duffered with each one and if sheninja plays the way hes playing now, I would've been the second to third vote on him. Alas, I have not, its all speculation and quick judgments. This is how PR s get lynched easily everyone. When you're used to playing a certain way with mediocre roles, then when you get an important one, players tend to shy away from drawing attention.

YOU ARE SUCH A FREAKING HYPOCRITE! You're claiming that people are "not playing" because you don't want to show them the evidence yourself, but now you're saying that you're not voting SheNinja BECAUSE someone isn't showing you the evidence yourself. My god. Just... my god. At some point, it stops being bad logic and starts being scummy.

SoldiersSpirit said:
I can understand a lax meta and im not saying change to mafiascum lol. I m saying, play the game how it is supposed to be played. A $5/$10 hold em player isn't going to sit down at a $250/$500 table and expect it to be the same, but I bet both class of players now what hand beats what.

THAT'S NOT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING! YOU'RE playing differently than everyone is used to, and YOU'RE the one trying to change everybody.

Also, your claim that I'm role fishing is dumb. My problem with you not telling me if you're the doctor or not is not that you're not telling me, it's that weren't not replying at all. If you had just said "I'd rather not say, that was only to get info from you" I'd be fine with it. Heck, I would've accepted "nice try scum. I'm not falling for your idiotic scum tactic because I'm not a bad player like you are. Since you're too bad of a player to realize it, I was just tricking you and that may not be my role you obvious scum."

SoldiersSpirit said:
I give up lol.

Now you know how I feel when talking to you.

And just to satisfy James, I'll reply to his questionnaire.

James86134 said:
1) What is your opinion on Camo taking the initiative and making two seperate Chats, one for everyone, and the other for 'skilled' players.

UH, SKILLED PLAYERS CHAT IS DUMB, CUS I'M NOT IN IT. Actually, while it's a little rude to other players, it seems like a fun experiment (from camo's point of view at least). A chat without "bad players" could provide more intelligent discussion, but with camo in that chat, I don't think that's happening. I wouldn't do it, but I think it would be fun to see what comes out of it.

James86134 said:
2) Do you think that if someone was to do the same thing now, during Day 2, it would be scummy?

I don't see a problem with it. If one of the people in the skilled players chat created another skilled chat, just without camoclone, I really don't see anything scummy about it. Same thing with the other chat.

James86134 said:
3) Who is your main priority to get rid of, Wolf, or Cult?

I'm really not sure. I guess cult, but I can't think of a way to lynch a cult today, so lynching a wolf today works for me. Come to think of it, I don't really know of a way to find cult at all! I wouldn't think they'd act like wolves, but if they do, then I don't really know of a way to differentiate them. If I had a choice to lynch either a cult or a wolf, I'd most likely go with wolf.

James86134 said:
4) Do you think SheNinja is town/scum/cult/indie and why?

Do I even need to answer this? Wolf. Maybe cult, but probably wolf.
 
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SheNinja said:
Vote parking is anti town this late in the day.

How so? Would it not be more scummy to mindlessly switch to whatever wagon's convenient? I explained my reasoning behind my vote, and I like it better than the case against you right now.
 
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No, but it IS VERY scummy for you to be worried about your image and how scummy you look. Town should not be worried and just continue to scumhunt.
 
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Astra said:
Kecleon-X said:
And we all play to win; we just want to have fun while doing it.
Which is good.

However, to have fun without caring about your win con is something I have a problem with. Playing to screw over other people of your win condition quite simply sucks and I don't want you in my game if you're going to do that.

Ideally we all play to win and have fun winning. But that's not the most likely scenario, unfortunately.

Yeah, it is unfortunate. Although... I have a lot of fun in this game, even as a spectator. Especially in my game, seeing Raichu play Sideways perfectly and you yourself playing Gorsha -- the backstabber role -- to insanely hilarious effect.
 
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Guys, the Sheninja wagon is dumb. Meta is a very weak tell. I change my playstyle almost every game to avoid this issue, because players blow it out of proportion, and it usually ends up with a town lynch. Not to mention, his claim seems pretty legit. If someone can provide a good reason why he's scum outside of meta, say it now. Otherwise, we need to find someone else to lynch.
 
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Astra said:
Fair warning. I'm debating on subbing you out for this.
I am trying to enjoy this game and you are making that very difficult for me.

Kecleon-X said:
And we all play to win; we just want to have fun while doing it.
^

Astra said:
Which is good.

However, to have fun without caring about your win con is something I have a problem with. Playing to screw over other people of your win condition quite simply sucks and I don't want you in my game if you're going to do that.

Ideally we all play to win and have fun winning. But that's not the most likely scenario, unfortunately.
I will not, nor will I ever, play in a game with the intent of screwing up the win for the rest of my team. If I turn up indie, like that one time in PMJ's game where I got the trolliest of troll roles, then yes, I will go out of my way to mess with people because that's what indies do.

But right now I am trying to help the town with the information I have been given. I have been nothing but cooperative so far. To say that I'm trying to screw over my own team...well, that's wrong.

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Okay, about a whole new page of posts. Someone bring me up to speed. For some reason the town is changing their minds on the SheNinja lynch? Why's that?
 
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If Shocker doesn't make two posts today, he's going to get subbed out.

I think everyone else has met the posts per day requirement.
 
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DNA said:
Okay, about a whole new page of posts. Someone bring me up to speed. For some reason the town is changing their minds on the SheNinja lynch? Why's that?[/color]

I don't think people are changing their minds, just other bringing up points as to why SheNinja might not be a giant threat to the town. And like others have said, I think his role claim is legit, but he might not be aligned with town. I'm not really sure who else could be a viable lynch, though.
 
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I'm not exactly doubting his role claim. I'm not even considering it one way or the other.
I'm questioning why he's acting so radically different than usual. It's like someone's feeding him the words to say or something. That alone is making me wary.
 
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Astra, just so you know, as well as not posting, Shocker changed his name to 'Greninja'.
 
RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 2 ends Saturday, Oct 5 at 12pm MST

DNA, we said do you have any evidence besides meta.
 
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