Finished Werewolf XX: Seleno City

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Who in their right mind would fake-claim a role like this?.

Nobody.

And I'd say that CJ wanted you to interrogate me because he was suspicious because I don't post much and will occasionally bandwagon, not because he found me to be scum, because if he did he would have put me in his scum read section before he died. Finally, it's not a counterargument to say that he investigated me last night because he wouldn't have been able to get his nightly read back and send in his graffiti as his read would be sent at the end of the night.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Who in their right mind would fake-claim a role like this?.

Nobody.

And by nobody, you mean a wolf who's using reverse psychology. If you don't get Nightkilled during the night because you are a wolf, then poof, a sudden alibi. They don't want to NK you because the night will be skipped as if nothing happened. Plus, CJ was a partial Seer. If he was suspicious of you, why wouldn't he See you? And if he did, that would provide grounds for him to interrogate you further, and as such, the message to the town. See what I mean? Right now, I'm going to go ahead and vote for you. I might change this later, but I find you to be a good option at this point.

[v]TheGuy[/v]

 

[Eron]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Well, I haven't voted, and maybe the guy wants us think that we should lynch him to scape from the night, but, he doesn't want at the same time, and he thinks that by for some reason we won't vote on him, but no, and I have to spend my vote on someone, unlike I did last day,

[v]TheGuy[/v]

 

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Lynching me is better than lynching any other townie. I cannot deny this fact. However, lynching a better target is better than lynching me. This fact I can also not deny. And that is why I don't think I ought to be lynched. I won't vote for someone I know to be a townie.

Be it therefore established,

VOTE: Professor Palutena

As time goes on, I continually believe his story less.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Alex I already asked you to read the thread carefully from now on in, but if you think that was a backpedal you better read back as well.

I know, both you and MTC were scummy from the maneuver. The issue with it is that as scum you could have easily been looking for an opportunity to get off the wagon to make yourself less scummy-looking, and so by CJ posting his incredibly long post you could use that as an excuse to get out of the lynch. You didn't know he was village, and 1 post wouldn't have changed that. You obviously thought he was scummy before that given the fact that you were lynching him, and having one post come between voting him and not, my friend, is a backpedal.

I suppose it's our only lead.

Vote: Chaos Jackal

Unvote: Chaos Jackal

I don't believe that any wolf would make such an insanely long post when on death's row. Maybe he actually is a wolf, and thought that this post would do exactly what it's doing to me. But I'm willing to take that risk and try to find someone else.

Just because I think that you might be the one who needs to reread, and I thought I could help you out a bit. I never really thought CJ was scum, and the post he made made me pretty sure he wasn't.

I also find it convenient that you didn't vote anyone else after unvoting Jackal. Who did you want lynched if not him?

No. I am saying that you are talking about how TheGuy is obviously a scum role because his role is that which deters nightkills from mafias. I still don't fully understand this, but I also want to say that it encourages the village to lynch him.

Think of it this way: If a wolf claims Seer, then survives the next night, or 2, or 3, wouldn't that be a little suspicious? Why would the wolves take so long to kill a Seer? With TheGuys role, the wolves would almost definitely never kill them (then again, they did kill Jackal...), since not only does his power hinder the wolves if he dies, but his role isn't particularly useful while alive.

Who in their right mind would fake-claim a role like this?

Well it sure seems to be convincing you, so maybe that's why he'd claim it if he was a wolf.

The Eron bandwagoners don't seem very scummy to me. Unless I missed some, the only ones I saw were lovandra, Grant and Celever (bandwagon, voting, same thing). lovandra and Grant seem pretty town like, Celever's a bit on the fence, but I'd say town for now.

I think it's late enough in the day that I can vote for TheGuy. That vote also doesn't really make much sense.

[v]TheGuy[/v]

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

The way I see it we have two options:

1) Lynch Eron/PP/whoever else

- If they're a wolf/lying about their role.
We lynch a wolf and the wolves night kill a townie - 1-1 town-wolf loss

-They're telling the truth about their role
We lynch a town and the wolves night kill a townie - 2-0 town-wolf loss

We lynch TheGuy

-He's lying and is a wolf
We lynch a wolf and the wolves kill a townie at night - 1-1 town-wolf loss

He's telling the truth about his role
We lynch a townie, the wolves don't get their night kill. 1-0 town-wolf loss

TheGuy is clearly the safest option. I feel there's a large chance that he is lying about his role and could easily flip as a wolf. In th chance that he does end up being town, the wolfkill is skipped. So it's either a win situation, or only a minor loss compared to potentially losing two town on any one else.

[v]TheGuy[/v]

 

[Eron]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

The way I see it we have two options:

1) Lynch Eron/PP/whoever else

- If they're a wolf/lying about their role.
We lynch a wolf and the wolves night kill a townie - 1-1 town-wolf loss

-They're telling the truth about their role
We lynch a town and the wolves night kill a townie - 2-0 town-wolf loss

We lynch TheGuy

-He's lying and is a wolf
We lynch a wolf and the wolves kill a townie at night - 1-1 town-wolf loss

He's telling the truth about his role
We lynch a townie, the wolves don't get their night kill. 1-0 town-wolf loss

TheGuy is clearly the safest option. I feel there's a large chance that he is lying about his role and could easily flip as a wolf. In th chance that he does end up being town, the wolfkill is skipped. So it's either a win situation, or only a minor loss compared to potentially losing two town on any one else.

[v]TheGuy[/v]

I didn't think on that... that's good for us, as we have already said, no night is good for us. That post mau give more votes to TheGuy.

Can someone tell me the # of votes of everyone?

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I also find it convenient that you didn't vote anyone else after unvoting Jackal. Who did you want lynched if not him?

Why would I? We had no other leads, which was the reason I voted CJ in the first place. I wouldn't just place a vote simply to place a vote, if CJ hadn't gotten lynched we would've had two more irl days to agree as a town on someone else.

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I didn't think on that... that's good for us, as we have already said, no night is good for us. That post mau give more votes to TheGuy.

Can someone tell me the # of votes of everyone?

Only losing one townie compared to two if theguy is telling the truth isn't good for us? I don't see your logic.

 

[Eron]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I didn't think on that... that's good for us, as we have already said, no night is good for us. That post mau give more votes to TheGuy.

Can someone tell me the # of votes of everyone?

Only losing one townie compared to two if theguy is telling the truth isn't good for us? I don't see your logic.

No, no, my logic is this:

It's better to lynch TheGuy, because in case he is a townie we would only lose 1 townie intead of 2 in case we lynched someone else. But if he is a wolf, that's a double win.

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Only losing one townie compared to two if theguy is telling the truth isn't good for us? I don't see your logic.

No, no, my logic is this:

It's better to lynch TheGuy, because in case he is a townie we would only lose 1 townie intead of 2 in case we lynched someone else. But if he is a wolf, that's a double win.

Yeah, that's more or less what I said in my post. Oh right, I realise I misread your other post.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I also find it convenient that you didn't vote anyone else after unvoting Jackal. Who did you want lynched if not him?

Why would I? We had no other leads, which was the reason I voted CJ in the first place. I wouldn't just place a vote simply to place a vote, if CJ hadn't gotten lynched we would've had two more irl days to agree as a town on someone else.

Well in that case, there was no point in unvoting in the first place if you weren't going to try and find a better lynch. Assuming you're a wolf, my guess as to why you unvoted was because you wanted Jackal lynched, but didn't want to be pinned for bandwagoning once it was all over.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Why would I? We had no other leads, which was the reason I voted CJ in the first place. I wouldn't just place a vote simply to place a vote, if CJ hadn't gotten lynched we would've had two more irl days to agree as a town on someone else.

Well in that case, there was no point in unvoting in the first place if you weren't going to try and find a better lynch. Assuming you're a wolf, my guess as to why you unvoted was because you wanted Jackal lynched, but didn't want to be pinned for bandwagoning once it was all over.

Did you even read my post? I said we would have 2 more days to find someone better. I never committed to wanting CJ lynched, I was barely swayed to vote him, 3 irl days after convincing the town not to instalynch. I only voted him later because we had no other options and I thought he was our best bet. I changed my mind after he made his big post, as did you.

I'm not really even sure what you're trying to prove, considering you unvoted too...

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Well in that case, there was no point in unvoting in the first place if you weren't going to try and find a better lynch. Assuming you're a wolf, my guess as to why you unvoted was because you wanted Jackal lynched, but didn't want to be pinned for bandwagoning once it was all over.

Did you even read my post? I said we would have 2 more days to find someone better. I never committed to wanting CJ lynched, I was barely swayed to vote him, 3 irl days after convincing the town not to instalynch. I only voted him later because we had no other options and I thought he was our best bet. I changed my mind after he made his big post, as did you.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. The only scummy part about that incident was you didn't try to find leads before Jackal was indefinitely going to be lynched, and by extension, didn't have any after the fact.

I'm not really even sure what you're trying to prove, considering you unvoted too...

Town and scum can have the same thought processes. Obviously, wolves try to act like town, so they would come to the same conclusion in some instances. I'll be the first to say what I did could be interpreted as scummy.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I refuse to jump on TheGuy wagon as it is completely and utterly idiotic, but I will:
Vote alex

Don't tell me you didn't see this coming, this day has been dreadful for you. I would just like to show my standing here for when I probably get nightkilled.

 

[lovandra]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Why I didn't lynch TheGuy:
- Wasted power to 'skip the night'. We maybe need it someday. Using this without thinking is a STUPID IDEA imo.
- We can always lynch him anytime.
- He lynch by us or killed by wolf is same. Next night will be cancelled. *assuming what he said is true*
- So I suggest townie to unvote TheGuy and use this power when the right time is come. We still have option to vote PP, to prove his innocent.

Why I voted Eron before:
- Like I said from beginning, I still don't get why Eron is accused as a newbie scum.
- My vote to him before is experimental vote, to see people reacted, hoping for some clues.
- Result of my experiment --> Celever who accused him before, 'try to lead' to not to get him lynched.

I'm sure either Celever or Alex is scum. No, not both. But both try to get Eron not to be lynched. With different method. Which is also suspicious. I have stronger feeling to both Celever + Alex as scums, but not enough evidence to be sure. Also, they are both new members, join game as replacement, so maybe someone lead them from behind. *cough* Draclord *cough*.

That's all. I give specific conclusion. I maybe wrong. But screenshot / bookmark it please. I have no power role. Or any important role. But if I killed, lynched, and neither of them. And I am flipped townie, I hope this will help .

Even though I AM KILLED TONIGHT assuming there is a night PLEASE DON'T IGNORE THIS.

 

[lovandra]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I have stronger feeling to both Celever + Alex as scums,

EDIT: I mean both Celever + Eron as scums.

 

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

If I survive today, I'd suggest that if there's a role redirector, he redirect them to me so that if his target happens to be scum, I will be NK'd which would be good for the town.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

I refuse to jump on TheGuy wagon as it is completely and utterly idiotic, but I will:
Vote alex

Don't tell me you didn't see this coming, this day has been dreadful for you. I would just like to show my standing here for when I probably get nightkilled.

I did see it coming, but I still think your reasoning is stupid.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 5 ends Saturday March 1 at 11 AM EST

Why I didn't lynch TheGuy:
- Wasted power to 'skip the night'. We maybe need it someday. Using this without thinking is a STUPID IDEA imo.
- We can always lynch him anytime.
- He lynch by us or killed by wolf is same. Next night will be cancelled. *assuming what he said is true*
- So I suggest townie to unvote TheGuy and use this power when the right time is come. We still have option to vote PP, to prove his innocent.

My reasoning is that TheGuy is actually a wolf using reverse psychology on us, and he's wanting you to think that. Wolves won't NK him because he is a wolf already, but we think that killing him will skip the night, and we don't want to waste that so we won't lynch him, thus giving him the perfect alibi to stay alive. Think about it. Why would you claim that? If you wanted to use that ability to the best effect, why didn't he just claim, I dunno, Seer (word spitball) or something, lure in the Wolf kill and skip the next night? Claiming such a thing can and is only detrimental to the town because, if what he is saying is the truth, then the wolves will never nightkill him for the next night will be skipped; an idiotic thing to do in the wolves position. It's like stepping on a bear trap for the sake of a broken ankle. It's the perfect alibi.

It's to really no effect if we skip the night in the daytime. That's like using Unown R when you have no cards in your deck. Or Poke Drawer +. You're going to be down a card in your hand, but you wouldn't have gained a single thing from it. But either way, it is to literally no effect if we lynch him because we would only lose a townie (this is riding on the assumption that he is town instead of reverse-psychological wolf), not be able to use his ability and skip the nightkill, and we'd be back to square one without any Seer results. But that is all riding on the fact that he isn't a wolf.

If he is a wolf, and this is just the perfect alibi, which I believe is fact, then why aren't we lynching him?